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posted on Feb, 21 2013 @ 08:07 PM
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Thanks. I didn't realize there was already a thread on this.

I'll go over there if I have anything else to add.




posted on Feb, 21 2013 @ 08:36 PM
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I'm a veteran and so is my husband. We don't have a VA disability rating and we haven't received any letters. I do know some veterans who have a rating that could warrant this type of letter denying them their rights. They haven't received a letter yet and I'm sure if they did, they would raise hell and let everyone know.



posted on Feb, 21 2013 @ 08:41 PM
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Originally posted by 1/2 Nephilim
I don't support the troops.

Okay


I don't support the way they "protect" this country.

I am with you here...


I don't support they're decision to take an oath that promises to follow any order they are given.

What Oath would that be? You do know that a member of the military is charged with NOT obeying an order if it is against the Constitution and/or the UCMJ right? Don't buy the rhetoric....



posted on Feb, 21 2013 @ 08:57 PM
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I'm a vet and I don't own any guns... but my wife has a crap load...



posted on Feb, 21 2013 @ 10:31 PM
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This fear mongering over returned vets has been slipped into the melee of news here and there for a few months at least......
They are preparing the battlefield for total spectrum dominance......
Do NOT be fooled
Your goverment doesnt give a crap about you, your family or your liberty.
If they come for the vetrans guns then thats it i am all for going undergroud at that point......



posted on Feb, 21 2013 @ 10:44 PM
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Regardless if they try to stop veterans due to PTSD or any other made up mental health issue and start issuing this stuff. I am fairly certain you can completely cut off firearms, and 99% of all veterans will still have at least 5 firearms. You think any veteran is going to turn them in? give me a break, it will never happen.



posted on Feb, 21 2013 @ 11:29 PM
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Originally posted by Eavel
reply to post by Signals
 


Regardless if they try to stop veterans due to PTSD or any other made up mental health issue and start issuing this stuff. I am fairly certain you can completely cut off firearms, and 99% of all veterans will still have at least 5 firearms. You think any veteran is going to turn them in? give me a break, it will never happen.


easy to make a zip gun which takes a 12 gauge shell .... shoot a bad guy ... get a gun and ammo? many people are not thinking about the training and knowledge a vet can train other resisting patriots.

like any despots ... kill or eliminate those with knowledge dangerous to your takeover ..... military vets and preppers ....
edit on 21-2-2013 by fnpmitchreturns because: syntax



posted on Feb, 22 2013 @ 12:33 AM
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If this is found to be fact it’s going to open a huge can or worms.
Problem is I don’t know the law and I’ll state that right upfront.

BUT - the questions that come to mind for me?

Who's behind these letters being sent out.

And - even more importantly (in my opinion) how is it personal medical records are now open to whoever wants to grub around inside them?

If you’re a vet do you turn over all your rights to privacy when entering/being treated at a Vet hospital?
I mean come on! Who’s the little grubber finger licking his/her way through personal medical records in order to compile a list of Vets with PTSD (?) to send this (supposed) letter out to anyway?

This is getting ugly.

peace



posted on Feb, 22 2013 @ 06:19 AM
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Originally posted by ownbestenemy
What Oath would that be? You do know that a member of the military is charged with NOT obeying an order if it is against the Constitution and/or the UCMJ right? Don't buy the rhetoric....


This one.

"and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

Of coarse I know they'll get charged and thrown in the brig for disobeying unconstitutional orders. Its part of the contract, thats what they signed on for. The Commander in Chief decides what is "constitutional" now, if the troops disagree, to bad.

The troops are not freedom fighters or liberators, they are distant bullies with sniper rifles and drones. The veterans are not hero's, they served they're time (like a criminal does in prison) and were eligible to opt-out.



posted on Feb, 22 2013 @ 07:43 AM
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Wow, I try to respect different opinions and interpretations....

But this thread wasn't created to bash Veterans, it was to warn them.

They have given a huge sacrifice for the lives we are able to live.




posted on Feb, 22 2013 @ 07:44 AM
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Originally posted by 1/2 Nephilim
Seems logical to me! Veterans are trained and experienced killers who often suffer from some sort of PTSD. Alot of them are dangerous and especially when they come back from they're tours mad about the orders they were given yet blindly made an oath to follow.

I don't support the troops.
I don't support the way they "protect" this country.
I don't support they're decision to take an oath that promises to follow any order they are given.

I don't feel sorry for veterans at all.. at all, at all.

What did you expect? A hero's welcome home? HA! ha..


Military members don't take an oath to blindly follow any and all orders... you are a very ignorant and ill-informed person. They take an oath to support and defend the Constitution. Period, end of story. The Officers and others in position to give orders also take an oath to support and defend the Constitution. The common denominator is the Constitution. If a military member is given an unconstitutional order, it is UNLAWFUL and the military member is not required or obligated to follow it. I would argue that it is the duty of the member receiving said unlawful order to resign the commission of the officer giving it depending on the severity of the violation... in other words, if I'm given an order to kill innocent people, or confiscate guns from Americans, etc... then it is my duty to ensure that order is the last order that officer ever gives (read between the lines)



posted on Feb, 22 2013 @ 07:55 AM
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Here is the exemption for VA:



The lawyer is mistaken if he thinks the right to arms by Military persons and Vets are being taken away by a VA decisions. It is not!
edit on 22/2/13 by sirric because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 22 2013 @ 01:08 PM
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Originally posted by Zarniwoop
How you can say this...

Veterans are considered Enemy #1, DHS has been saying this all along...
based on this article is beyond me.




I don't think he's saying this based on the article. Perhaps you haven't been paying attention, but I've seen statements like this echoed a number of times. Actually, the way I remember it, it was a statement by the FBI that said returning war veterans are one of the highest-risk groups for anti-governmental / terrorist activity, along with militia members, etc. I could be remembering the source wrong-- but as I said, I've seen statements like this repeatedly.

It does, in a sick kind of way, make sense. We're talking about people with military training, some of whom may suffer PTSD, and many of whom may be a bit disgruntled against the government. I can certainly see why they may speculate about this. That doesn't make it right, of course, nor do I think they should be treated like criminals.



posted on Feb, 22 2013 @ 01:15 PM
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Well, if they wanna declare me incompetent, have someone pay my bills, do my food shopping etc, they're more then welcome, less for me to worry about, more tie to camp hunt and play my games, less stress for me



posted on Feb, 22 2013 @ 02:42 PM
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But this thread wasn't created to bash Veterans, it was to warn them.


mmhmm, to warn them and start a pity party for them.



They have given a huge sacrifice for the lives we are able to live.


Riiiight, because so many countries have been attacking the US.

The sacrifices they have made were for Halliburton and those who have interest in keeping the opium trade routes from Afghanistan to Russia wide open. The sacrifices they CHOSE to make were not to protect America and that is NOT what they have been doing.


Originally posted by OptimusSubprime
I would argue that it is the duty of the member receiving said unlawful order to resign the commission of the officer giving it depending on the severity of the violation... in other words, if I'm given an order to kill innocent people, or confiscate guns from Americans, etc... then it is my duty to ensure that order is the last order that officer ever gives


Why don't you ask some of the vets posting here how this scenario would play out?

Going over your officers head and such to complain about the orders you were given..

Where do you think the orders came from?????
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posted on Feb, 22 2013 @ 04:20 PM
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Originally posted by 1/2 Nephilim
reply to post by Signals

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Going over your officers head and such to complain about the orders you were given..

Where do you think the orders came from?????
edit on 22-2-2013 by 1/2 Nephilim because: (no reason given)





Gave you a Star for humor . Especially the last sentence.



posted on Feb, 22 2013 @ 04:30 PM
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So were clear, please god, tell me you were laughing with me, right?

I wasn't joking.. that was a genuine eyeroll.

I may have never served but I went to juvy' bootcamp a couple of times and learned about the chain of command.

To even question an order from an officer is grounds for severe punishment.

In todays military, just attempting to go over they're head must be clause for a psychiatric evaluation.



posted on Feb, 22 2013 @ 05:38 PM
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The cops have been doing this for a long time
My father had Alzheimer's and because i had a gun safe i stored his guns for him.

After his condition started getting bad one day the cops stopped by and wanted his guns.

I told them NO that they were in my gun safe and he could not get to them and they were part of his estate and had the Power of attorney for him.
They kept trying to tell me that i must turn them over and i told them they needed a court order to get them knowing they could never get the court order without a court hearing with me there because i had the power of attorney.

Any veteran that gets one of these letters should have a trusted person with a power of attorney to take control of the firearms and to act on his behalf over his property.
Once this is in place the VA has no power over the veteran or his property.



posted on Feb, 22 2013 @ 06:26 PM
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Originally posted by 1/2 Nephilim
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I may have never served but I went to juvy' bootcamp a couple of times and learned about the chain of command.


That explains alot.




To even question an order from an officer is grounds for severe punishment.

In todays military, just attempting to go over they're head must be clause for a psychiatric evaluation.


Like you said, you never served, i.e. you have no clue.



posted on Feb, 22 2013 @ 07:21 PM
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Originally posted by 1/2 Nephilim
reply to post by dazbog
 


So were clear, please god, tell me you were laughing with me, right?

I wasn't joking.. that was a genuine eyeroll.

I may have never served but I went to juvy' bootcamp a couple of times and learned about the chain of command.

To even question an order from an officer is grounds for severe punishment.

In todays military, just attempting to go over they're head must be clause for a psychiatric evaluation.



Juvy bootcamp and the military are COMPLETELY TWO DIFFERENT THINGS






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