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Topic started on 21-2-2013 @ 05:07 PM by Virole

Disarming American Vets


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How would you feel if you received a letter from the U.S. Government informing you that because of a physical or mental condition that the government says you have it is proposing to rule that you are incompetent to handle your own financial affairs? Suppose that letter also stated that the government is going to appoint a stranger to handle your affairs for you at your expense? That would certainly be scary enough but it gets worse.

What if that letter also stated: “A determination of incompetency will prohibit you from purchasing, possessing, receiving, or transporting a firearm or ammu
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reply posted on 21-2-2013 @ 05:34 PM by TDawgRex
reply to post by Virole



The way I read this letter is that the VA is requesting to take over your personal finances as you have demostrated that you cannot. This according to current law would preclude you from buying a firearm. (Not saying you can’t buy it on the street)

I still find it wrong though. If the VA gives out disabilities and Veteran X decides to end his/her own life by an overdose, then it is a win-win for the VA. They no longer have to pay out a monthly stipend.

But I think it is deeper than that. The VA is Gov’t after all, and they can pretty much come up with whatever criteria they want, can’t they?



reply posted on 21-2-2013 @ 06:02 PM by Virole
reply to post by TDawgRex



It's not my letter but they article says "The letter provides no specifics on the reasons for the proposed finding of incompetency; just that is based on a determination by someone in the VA. In every state in the United States no one can be declared incompetent to administer their own affairs without due process of law and that usually requires a judicial hearing with evidence being offered to prove to a judge that the person is indeed incompetent. This is a requirement of the Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution that states that no person shall “… be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law…”

I have 50% ptsd and spinal fusion from back injuries from ieds. I am more than capable of handling money, its people I don't trust. In 5 years have paid off 3 cars, my house will be paid off this year and have money set aside to buy land before year end. I want the land to to build a house and get away from the city because I cant sleep with the sirens and planes, and I don't trust the people in my neighborhood, especially with the rise in crime this past year, over hundred break ins to houses in the past year.

Without investigating this person what ground do they have to declare him incompetent? Should they take my guns too? Also if you can't handle money, why should you lose your right to own a gun?


reply posted on 21-2-2013 @ 06:25 PM by ADVISOR
I am re-posting a comment, I made on another discussion thread, for this exact issue.

It is very important, that people know about this tragic and major mistake being made by our government and their agencies.

Veterans from OIF/OEF are being screwed over.

Not all of them, just about half. Those of us who do not come home with physical wounds are treated like crap.
It seems that unless we have lost life or limb, we do not matter, as wounded Veterans. Others are being jipped out of their Honorable discharges, thus ensuring they do not get full VA benefits if any, they served and fought, why screw them over?

So many combat arms soldiers, troopers and corp man, have served on the front lines so to say, if there was such a thing in this war. We have seen our friends get shot, blown up and dismembered.

We suffer mentally just as much as any one, PTSD and TBI are not just words made up to describe a symptom, they are our injuries. It might not be as severe as a lost limb, but the scars are there, and real as any other pain.

The flashbacks day or night, anxiety, insomnia and other issues are constant, chronic, and not going away because of some pills.


What Veterans need is support, from our friends, families and communities.
The people who matter, are those who care. Show those who matter to you, by showing them you care.

Originally posted by ADVISOR
I am also a Veteran, and have not received any such letter from the VA.

In fact, the only mail I get from them, was bills for prescriptions I didn't want, nor should of been billed for.
Or the fact I applied for benefits last year, and they sent a letter twice, stating they are still determining my benefits, when a couple of other buddies I served with got out after I did, and have their benefits already.

The system is broken, the VA should be a part of "out processing" for soldiers. When they process to get out of the military, their VA forms should be included. But instead, we have to play a game of jumping through hoops.



It is really disturbing, and sickening, to think that veterans who deserve compensation, are being placed on the back burner, and their benefits are being discussed by our government to be cut, when they should be cutting their own.

Corrupt government, corrupt VA, corrupt every thing.


Screw the system, because all it does is screw us!




reply posted on 21-2-2013 @ 07:24 PM by usmc0311
reply to post by ADVISOR



Very well said. When someone looks at me and says, 'you look ok' it makes me want to put their head through a wall. TBI sucks and is a very frustrating thing to deal with. Not being able to focus or concentrate when you want to is a pain in the rear. And the insomnia is enough to drive a 'normal' person insane. I only sleep about 3 hours in a 24 hour period. Either my brain just won;t work right or it won;t shut itslef off. Life as a veteran is an uproad battle these days.


reply posted on 21-2-2013 @ 07:40 PM by PLASIFISK
Originally posted by usmc0311
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post by ADVISOR



Very well said. When someone looks at me and says, 'you look ok' it makes me want to put their head through a wall. TBI sucks and is a very frustrating thing to deal with. Not being able to focus or concentrate when you want to is a pain in the rear. And the insomnia is enough to drive a 'normal' person insane. I only sleep about 3 hours in a 24 hour period. Either my brain just won;t work right or it won;t shut itslef off. Life as a veteran is an uproad battle these days.


Hey gunny, how do you deal with the sleep issue? I only get about 4 hours of sleep a night. fall down at 12 and wake up fully alert by 4'ish wide awake. My flight doc put me on Ambien, but it makes me sleep like I'm in a coma! I don't like not being able to hear little noises when I'm sleep you know. Also my mind get sluggish around lunch time. Hard as heck to focus. I really need some tips on this sleep thing.


reply posted on 21-2-2013 @ 08:06 PM by byGRACE
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By what measure do you determine if someone is mentally ill? How about you go to another country live in a war zone for 6 months then be forced to take a psych test, will you pass after watching your friends be blown up? No you will fail, does that make you crazy...hell no.
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