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The indiscernibility of identicals
For any x and y, if x is identical to y, then x and y have all the same properties.
as opposed to
The identity of indiscernibles
For any x and y, if x and y have all the same properties, then x is identical to y.
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Even if this whole reality is just the product of an observing singularity, what's being observed (as illusory as you believe it is) possesses Identity - each illusion relative to every other illusion - even within the whole of the overarching illusion itself which possesses its own identity relative to each contributive illusion that combines to form it as the whole that it is. This overarching illusion also possesses an inimitable Identity relative to the observing singularity, since it too possesses its own inimitable identity - especially if it is observing an illusion that is not "it".
If so, then what is 42?
Identity - It obviously exists, but what is it?
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by NorEaster
Identity is a state of observation. If it's observed, the observation is its identity. If it's observing, the observations are its identity. Whatever perception is taking place defines the identity.
This, I think, includes but is not restricted to, the human mentality you're trying to avoid. If it's observed or observing, those observations are the guidelines and foundations for identity.
That can't be true, since observation requires sentience, at the very least. You're putting the caboose before the engine in that train of thought.
Originally posted by straddlebug
reply to post by NorEaster
No mystery. I suggest you contemplate 35. The answer to your question is there.
35 is the sum of the first five triangular numbers, making it a tetrahedral number.
35 is the number of ways that three things can be selected from a set of seven unique things also known as the "combination of seven things taken three at a time".
35 is a centered cube number, a pentagonal number and a pentatope number.
35 is a highly cototient number, since there are more solutions to the equation x - φ(x) = 35 than there are for any other integers below it except 1.
There are 35 free hexominoes, the polyominoes made from six squares.
Since the greatest prime factor of 352 + 1 = 1226 is 613, which is obviously more than 35 twice, 35 is a Størmer number.
35 is a discrete semiprime (or biprime) (5 × 7); the tenth, and the first with 5 as the lowest non-unitary factor. The aliquot sum of 35 is 13 this being the second composite number with such an aliquot sum; the first being the cube 27. 35 is the last member of the first triple cluster of semiprimes 33,34,35. 85,86,87 is the second such triple discrete semiprime cluster.
35 is the highest number one can count to on one's fingers using base 6.
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Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by NorEaster
That can't be true, since observation requires sentience, at the very least. You're putting the caboose before the engine in that train of thought.
If it's not sentient, is it observing? My use of the word "observation" was done with the assumption that observation requires requires enough sentience to remember ideas and make connections with them.
Originally posted by straddlebug
reply to post by NorEaster
Nice. You are almost there.
You are thinking about it too much. 35 is less tangent.edit on 21-2-2013 by straddlebug because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by straddlebug
reply to post by NorEaster
Yes, I do. However, It does not appear I can help - you are totally missing my point and your answer.
Perhaps in addition to 35 you should consider your statement:
"And yet, I look everywhere for a functional definition of Identity, and I can't seem to find one that doesn't involve human beings and their notion of self. "edit on 21-2-2013 by straddlebug because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by straddlebug
reply to post by NorEaster
Good luck in your quest. I hope you have a pleasant afternoon
Besides, observation is an active interpretation of identity.
If something is observed by two points of perspective, its identity doesn't change into two distinct identities as a result of those two points of perspective.
Observation doesn't affect what is being observed.
It can affect the course of ongoing activity of the observed thing, but the thing itself is not altered. Its identity remains intact.
Thanks anyway.