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posted on Feb, 21 2013 @ 11:15 PM
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Pre-crime is alive and well. Another good reason we should ban such public lists.

These lists do nothing but create irrational fears of people who for all practical purposes are probably no different then most of your neighbors.

Just nothing more than a false sense of security by banning folks on the list, because truly if they want to play it is not that difficult to come up with credentials to play. In reality the ban is nothing but an illusion, essentially giving more rights and protections to corporations and removing rights of both those on the list regardless of any real or implied danger and those who may seek relief in the courts who's party (victim) may have been damaged through this corporations virtual play field. The corporation can argue against any liability claiming they have made their best attempt to keep everyone safe and that is really what it is all about.
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posted on Feb, 21 2013 @ 11:21 PM
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Today I was driving up one of the roads near my house that happens to drive along the backside of an elementary school, a school I went to as a kid. Along the fence near the gate, smoking cigarettes, leaned two speaking with each other. They appeared not to be armed, with no vehicles, no tools, and no orange vests that signifies some sort of community service or road work. This fence is also located near a small parking lot in the back, in between the cafeteria area and one of the few playgrounds

Now, this was around two, two fifteen, and elementary schools around here don't get out until about four in the afternoon. So I presumed that this may be the time that kids may have just gone inside from recess or were about to be able to go outside and play.

I thought this over with myself, and finally I decided to go with "better safe than sorry", even though I was definitely worried about being the lady who called in a lion when it was actually a poodle with a fresh new haircut.

A few hours ago, I checked the local bookings for my local department and then my specific area and noticed there was a person brought in for being a violated sex offender. I ran the name, pulled up the mugshot, and there was one of the men that I described to dispatch.

However, his last mugshot was in 2006, so I will have to wait until tomorrow or next week to see the updated photo, to be sure and match his clothes (a bright blue t-shirt, shouldn't be hard to spot).

I don't say all of that to brag, I say all of that to say this; if this is indeed the man, and he was caught leaning up against a fence smoking cigarettes while he watched young children play, then don't you think he's probably been up to a little nasty surfing in the comfort of his own home? Don't you want those kinds of people regulated? Especially distanced around our children?

If anyone would like, I'll gladly give the name, however I've chosen to withhold it due to people that may oppose my stance on the topic. OR my post will go unnoticed, either way I've said my piece and feel as though I may have stopped something that could have or couldn't have escalated, and I'm alright with that.



posted on Feb, 22 2013 @ 02:32 AM
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How can they actually monitor this? What's to stop the person from just making a fresh email account, buying the game again with a new key, registering it with a fake name & birth date and playing again?



posted on Feb, 22 2013 @ 04:01 AM
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Originally posted by IkNOwSTuff
I personally think its a good decision but I hear what people are saying about the list.

A friend of mine went for after work drinks a few years ago with some colleagues, one of them started talking to group of girls and after buying them drinks all night ended up taking one home, it turned out she was 15!!!

The girl stayed at the guys house and when she got home the next day her parents went ballistic and the police got involved, long story short the guy did 8 months in jail, lost his job and is now a registered sex offender, he was only 22.

Dirty yes, sleazy maybe but a peado or sex offender no.
Alot of genuine sickos would probably use the same excuses he did, she told me she was 18, I met her in an overage club etc etc.

unfortunate that a few nerds out there wont get to get their WoW on because of stupidity or over zealous judges/prosecutors but on the whole seems like a good move


Thats kinda harsh considering the legal age in iceland sweden and elsewhere is 15.



posted on Feb, 22 2013 @ 04:44 AM
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Originally posted by thisguyrighthere

Originally posted by loam

I think most parents of small children would disagree with you.


Apparently they do. Why do they?

A registry of offenders, much like a registry of guns, cannot do anything to protect their children.

The absolute best a registry can do is give investigators a potential starting point assuming no other evidence exists.



It works as a deterrant. Knowing that the feds will come knocking on your door first if you kidnap and butcher the kids on your street is enough to put off most sex offenders who are largely cowards.

Child sex offenders or not. Sex offenders in general are derranged, disturbed, delusional and cruel people. Whether they want to have sex with children or not, allowing them to socialise with children on Online games and imbue their disgusting opinions upon them is dangerous as it will only cause more sex offenders to develop.

If it were up to me they'd be castrated before being allowed back into society where they wouldn't be allowed on the Internet ever and they'd need to have a visible tattoo showing what they did (forehead/face) so everyone can be wary of them and be sure to know what they're getting into before talking to them, hiring them or allowing them on their property/business.
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posted on Feb, 22 2013 @ 04:49 AM
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Granted all sex offenders aren't pedophiles...but they're still sex offenders. It seems to me that game companies are trying to protect our children. I find nothing wrong with that. As for the offenders who feel they got the short end of the stick...too bad.To all those offenders.... You committed a cry knowing full well there would be far reaching consequences. If you didn't want to suffer those consequences you shouldn't have committed said crime. I have no sympathy for you. Pedophile or not, you violated someone sexually. What's not being able to play a game compared to what your victim went through? Suck it up and accept responsibility for your actions.



posted on Feb, 22 2013 @ 04:50 AM
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I'm no sex offender and I'll gladly not play WOW. I had a room mate many years ago when it first came got hooked. HE IS STILL playing it. Move on, get out of the house Benny.

Meet some real people.



posted on Feb, 22 2013 @ 04:52 AM
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reply to post by scheezy
 


If more people cared enough to do what you did, there would be far less sexual crimes committed against children. I commend you for doing the right thing! You should be proud.



posted on Feb, 22 2013 @ 11:00 AM
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Most of you are governed by fear...your lives must be miserable?

How is taking a piss in public a sexual crime?

I'd bet the farm most of you in favor of such lists which rob Rights from individuals...have been in other threads whining about "Big gubment taking our Liberties". You are hypocrites who don't realize in reality you want MORE government regulation.



posted on Feb, 22 2013 @ 11:04 AM
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Originally posted by U4ea82
Granted all sex offenders aren't pedophiles...but they're still sex offenders. It seems to me that game companies are trying to protect our children. I find nothing wrong with that. As for the offenders who feel they got the short end of the stick...too bad.To all those offenders.... You committed a cry knowing full well there would be far reaching consequences. If you didn't want to suffer those consequences you shouldn't have committed said crime. I have no sympathy for you. Pedophile or not, you violated someone sexually. What's not being able to play a game compared to what your victim went through? Suck it up and accept responsibility for your actions.




How is pissing in public a sex crime?

It takes tremendous arrogance and self-righteousness to dismiss someones misfortune as "too bad".

Will you desire someone to have sympathy for YOU if you run afoul of a law...as can easily happen. How would you like if you drank too much water during a road trip and pulled over to take a piss. I pass by in my car and see you pissing, so I report you. You are now a sexual offender...does that make sense to you? Should everyone just tell YOU "too bad"?



posted on Feb, 22 2013 @ 11:31 AM
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reply to post by scheezy
 


You probably don't think of yourself as a hero.

But you are.

Thanks, from millions of parents of small children.



posted on Feb, 22 2013 @ 11:32 AM
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Your pretty much equating pissing on a tree to raping a child. i hope that at some point in your life your handed a counterfeit bill for change and when you try to use it the cops arrest you and the feds send you to prison for counterfeiting. i mean by your logic they're the same thing right?



posted on Feb, 22 2013 @ 11:39 AM
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In response to the thread:

I'm sure this has been said 30 different ways already, but this is just another case of legislation being so far behind technology it is comical (if they weren't taking freedoms and spending our money to do it!).

Every MMORPG I can think of has 'prepay' options that are anonymous. I could sign up as anyone in an account, use prepay and a hotmail address. LE and game companies have zero ability or resources to forensically deconstruct accounts at random.

The burden of safety is on the parents. If you haven't had a talk w/ your kid about online predators by...hmmm...AGE 8-9 you're behind schedule!

Because lemme tell ya, having three boys, 14, 11 and 4, kids are like fish in water with the newest tech, and they are online, whether at your house, friends' houses, on phones or at school. As soon as they can read and comprehend what might be typed in a game chat, they need to have been taught about bad guys.
edit on 22-2-2013 by blamethegreys because: My ORG didn't work!



posted on Feb, 22 2013 @ 11:53 AM
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Originally posted by blamethegreys
In response to the thread:

I'm sure this has been said 30 different ways already, but this is just another case of legislation being so far behind technology it is comical (if they weren't taking freedoms and spending our money to do it!).

Every MMORPG I can think of has 'prepay' options that are anonymous. I could sign up as anyone in an account, use prepay and a hotmail address. LE and game companies have zero ability or resources to forensically deconstruct accounts at random.

The burden of safety is on the parents. If you haven't had a talk w/ your kid about online predators by...hmmm...AGE 8-9 you're behind schedule!

Because lemme tell ya, having three boys, 14, 11 and 4, kids are like fish in water with the newest tech, and they are online, whether at your house, friends' houses, on phones or at school. As soon as they can read and comprehend what might be typed in a game chat, they need to have been taught about bad guys.


May have been said before but not that well.



posted on Feb, 22 2013 @ 01:44 PM
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Originally posted by loam
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Still the 1%.

Is your example just? No.

And while I say fix that, I don't think that means the rest is meaningless.


I think your example of 99% 1% is just a wee bit skewed, not saying that you are wrong but everyone seems to know someone that got shafted that does not belong on that list. I have no problem with the list itself just in what constitutes a person being wrongfully branded for life.



posted on Feb, 22 2013 @ 01:47 PM
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Aren't "online interactions not rated by the ESRB"?

If people do not like what they could possibly be subjected to then do not play it. There are report abuse options for a reason, no?

Oh well, less money for Blizzard in the long run, seems odd.



posted on Feb, 22 2013 @ 01:49 PM
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Originally posted by pslr2301
I think it is good that someone is watching out for children in the gaming world. However, where are the parents in all this? Shouldn't they be responsible for teaching their children about the dangers of the internet, the type of people to be found there, know WHAT their children are doing online and WHO they are doing it with?

My 10 year old daughter knows that most of the people that call themselves kids on a specific game she plays are probably not kids or may have ulterior motives. She knows how to speak up and she knows where the "block" button is if someone makes her uncomfortable.

Why should the government and gaming companies be responsible for raising YOUR OWN children? What happened to taking responsibility for your own lives and those of the babies you chose to have, keep and protect?

Just my opinion. IDK maybe I am just getting old... or crazy.... probably a little of both!


No you aren't crazy, it is the parents reponsibility to watch what thier children are up to, not the governments.



posted on Feb, 22 2013 @ 02:01 PM
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Originally posted by Darkphoenix77
I think your example of 99% 1% is just a wee bit skewed, not saying that you are wrong but everyone seems to know someone that got shafted that does not belong on that list.


"Seem" is the operative word.

Take a look at the overall numbers, updated in December.



Link (*.pdf)

In terms of raw numbers, how many beyond the 1% do you think is required for "everyone..to know someone that got shafted that does not belong on that list"?



posted on Feb, 22 2013 @ 02:30 PM
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Okay, let me be more precise then. You have a few stories on just this thread from people who know someone that does not belong on the list. I personally also know of someone that does not belong on the list, similar to the 22 yr. old vs 17 yr old example.

Bottom line it is a parents responsibility to watch what thier children are up to and to inform them of the potential of danger and to the reality of the world when it comes to people and how some people are sick and have evil intent. When such things are left up to the government you get blanket lists that have no qualms about putting some guy p**sing on a tree on the list. I have seen no proof that your 99% vs. 1% argument is valid therefore I say it is a BS number you pulled out of thin air.

WoW needs to decide who it is going to market to imo, kids or adults. They are doing the greedy corporate thing and trying to market to everyone. That is one of the reasons I switched to Skyrim and will most likely play Skyrim Online when it comes out. At least they are clear as to the fact that they are marketing to an adult audience.

I wonder if what brought all this crap up was some parents kids made a character on the Moon Guard realm, that particular realm is infamously known for taking "role playing" to unheard of levels.

There are people that deserved to be watched with a close eye and those who don't the problem is the list just carpet bombs everyone. I am with the poster that said to split up all the offenses and just put the ones deserving of being on a list on it.

edit on 22-2-2013 by Darkphoenix77 because: terminology



posted on Feb, 22 2013 @ 04:32 PM
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I know of three that should not be on the list and another that was put on it
for a while due to a false accusation that was cleared up after he pretty
much lost everything.





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