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reply posted on 21-2-2013 @ 09:42 AM by pavmas
Originally posted by bigdohbeatdown
this is totally F'd up. I thought when the obama care debate was happening all the 'death panel' talk was extremist rhetoric.

I don't know if we have this in Australia, we have free health care as well.. but good mix of private and public imho. And its called the 'Liverpool Care Pathway / Death pathway' ?? THIS IS INSANE! WTF ! Sure most of the people are severely disabled or dying anyway... but let them die painlessly..... THROUGH DEHYDRATION AND STARVATION? That has got to be one of the worst ways to go.. I'd rather be shot.

This is absolutely absurd.. I used to think the NHS was one of the best things about the UK.

A death pathway. And cash bonuses for meeting 'targets' ? IE if they put a certain amount of people on a death pathway each year they get a funding boost.. And they question if the bonus has led to it being abused? This is ludicrous.. there should be a riot... you guys rioted over some crap a year or so ago but let this go?

I'm speechless. I don't think i've ever read of any so abhorrent happening openly in the west in recent times.


EDIT: It is used in Australia. ARGH!

link www.healthnetworks.health.wa.gov.au...
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Edit:

Heres another news story..
www.dailymail.co.uk...


This is totally F'ked up.

on the wiki it says it is used on 'those deemed to be dying' ... in legal speak 'deemed' means that the person doesn't have to be literally dying, but will be considered to be dying at the discretion of the decision maker.
Does anyone know if this is codified by parliment? or is it act of the executive?
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EDIT:

THIS IS DISGUSTING!!!!!!

THEY HAVE 'TESTIMONIALS' : www.liv.ac.uk...

'health care professionals' handbook: www.liv.ac.uk... .pdf


endoflifecare.co.uk... :

"Practitioners are free to exercise
personal judgment, but any alteration
to the LCP must be documented as
a variance. For example, it is possible
for patients to be entered onto the
LCP if a decision has been made to
continue intravenous/subcutaneous
fluids. Relatives frequently express
concern about a lack of fluid intake, but
a blanket policy banning or promoting
intravenous/subcutaneous hydration is
questionable. However, administering
fluids by these means may constitute an
unnecessary burden, particularly in the
last few days of life. Regular assessment
of this intervention is advised (National
Council for Palliative Care, 2005a,b)"
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I read the testemonials, pure made up


reply posted on 21-2-2013 @ 09:46 AM by pavmas
www.dailymail.co.uk... ystem.html


There is the reason, They are been paid to meet targets, so the more disabled and old they kill the more money they get..

Amazing.

Trust no one no one at all but your own instincts.



reply posted on 21-2-2013 @ 10:03 AM by pavmas
Christine Ball wrote:
The fight to save my mother from a death by starvation on the LCP was made by far worse because of the mental capacitys act, another government encentive to "help" vulnerable people, in cases like my mothers because of the mental capacitys act the family become helpless and the decisions are made by doctors, I was told that we had no rights and food and hydration were classed as treatment, which means a doctor was able to play god with my mothers life. With out my persistance and pressure I know my mother would be dead now.


They now class fluid and food as treatment and if a doctor says no treatment they are murdered and there is nothing you can do

Well thats what they think.

If a doctor does this to any of your family,, tell them when your family member dies so will he, because you have made that decision.


If a paitent is termally ill and is dying then the best think you can do is medicate them from all pain and if they dont want food or drink then thats because they are dying.

But removing food and drink as a treatment is pure and simply murder and no one can survive a treatment such as this.

The reason for this is to Free beds up, once a pensioner dies then money is saved in pension and care costs they same with childrens costs.

Thats why the bonus payments are in place.

You would think that being a hospital that bonus payments would be for saving life not ending it.

Question every treatment your doctor gives and do some research because these people will put you on any medication where the drug companies offer new cars and free holidays to doctors that prescribe their drugs.


reply posted on 21-2-2013 @ 01:01 PM by Malynn
Originally posted by nomnom
reply to post by Unity_99


My mother has Canadian investors. She told me how one remarked of the horrible health care in Canada, which is mandatory and sucks up a decent chunk of the taxes. This guy refused to send his elderly mother to a regular hospital, and opted to spend a lot of money on a good private hospital. He's convinced that, had he gone with the government's public healthcare, she would not be here today. I think he was trying to say the public policy wouldn't cover whatever procedure she needed.


Uh, no. I'm an American who lived for 7 years in Canada. The healthcare was just as good, if not better than the US. So tired of these lovely, 3rd or 4th hand anecdotal reviews of Canadian Healthcare. Which are total crap.


reply posted on 21-2-2013 @ 02:13 PM by nomnom
reply to post by Malynn


I think you failed to grasp what I was saying. I wasn't directly comparing the US healthcare system to Canadian system as a whole, rather highlighting that different policies were in play at the lower tiers of each, which both needed work. I gave the story as evidence to support this case.

It doesn't matter if you're poor in the US or Canada, the standard healthcare is sub-optimal. That's the truth. The rich who pay out the monies, else those who luck out with excellent healthcare coverage, are going to get better care which may in fact be life saving, regardless of the country.
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reply posted on 22-2-2013 @ 02:20 AM by Grimpachi
reply to post by JBanger


Hospice killed my neighbor with morphine and other painkillers.

She had already lived 5 years longer than they gave her by smoking something we can’t talk about here but they had her daughter move in with her and rub morphine on her lips when she slept after that she lost her mind and went downhill quick.


reply posted on 22-2-2013 @ 03:01 AM by Happy1
reply to post by Artistic


Exactly, Hitler is alive and well - medical care and hospitals are now a place to die, or be murdered.

How about we have 2 different medical hospitals and insurance groups - those that are liberal and democrats that believe that abortion is not killing babies = and that old people should be starved to death - why not add retards, the mentally ill, the ugly?

and those that want good humane care for everybody.
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