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Topic started on 20-2-2013 @ 06:52 PM by smithjustinb

All is one. We are not individuals. We are the universe experiencing itself through individuality. The plan of life belongs not to the individual, but to the universe that started it. And any plan you come up with during your incarnation is also the universes plan. You are just as much a part of the universe as a star or a rock. Without you, the universe isn't what it is. The universe is the sum of its parts and it is one unified object.

My being is not my individual. My individuality consists of all that I see, including my individual. But my being goes beyond that and consists of everything unseen as well.

When you call something bad or unworthy, you are hurting your self more than the object of your interpretation. No matter what it is, however you judge something is how you are judging yourself. This is where separation begins and retracts from your true and greater self. And love is impossible when there is judgement. Whatever your opinion of the world is your opinion of yourself and whatever you deem unworthy of appreciation is what becomes and unworthiness in you.

There may be evil in this world, but nevertheless, this is the evil in you. Bad things happen, but nevertheless, they are a part of the world you live in and are caused by the same processes that cause you and are part of you. You have to accept the bad. But the good outweighs the bad. So its okay. Accept all of it. You will still be individually imperfect as you always have been, but you will be greater, more truthful, and happier. Great things will happen in our life and your struggles will be reduced.

We are all one. Right now, just as we are. Accept all and accept yourself more fully.

reply posted on 20-2-2013 @ 07:05 PM by AfterInfinity

reply to post by smithjustinb

In my opinion, a lot of these types of threads are undermined by the mystical tone that is often used, like a deliberate vagueness intended to sound like a riddle but it obviously has no real meaning.

Maybe if users tried a more practical tone, a realistic down-to-earth approach to the subject, they might be taken more seriously. And I mention this because I see the mystical wannabe-guru tone from you quite a bit. It gives a bad impression of the overall subject.

reply posted on 20-2-2013 @ 07:09 PM by Ralphy

We grow up conditioned to judge and asses all things in our environment so maybe we should just accept judging too. Accept ourselves the way we are and then go from there.

I would say it is natural to judge to some degree because of all of the potential demands fear has in our lives. Fear needs to assess/judge its environment to develop strategies to protect itself.

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reply posted on 20-2-2013 @ 07:12 PM by arpgme

reply to post by smithjustinb

This is a philosophy I decided to stay way from.

There are many atoms and they make up the universe - not just "one".

reply posted on 20-2-2013 @ 07:21 PM by smithjustinb

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by smithjustinb

In my opinion, a lot of these types of threads are undermined by the mystical tone that is often used, like a deliberate vagueness intended to sound like a riddle but it obviously has no real meaning.

Maybe if users tried a more practical tone, a realistic down-to-earth approach to the subject, they might be taken more seriously. And I mention this because I see the mystical wannabe-guru tone from you quite a bit. It gives a bad impression of the overall subject.

In my opinion, every one of your posts are condescending, unnecessary, arrogant, never helpful, and in opposition to whatever philosophical and metaphysical thread comes along. Being that you are apparently guilty of the premise outlined in the OP, it is understandable that you would be so cynical. But your contributions have always seemed minimal at best. Maybe instead of being so critical and undermining, you might have something of your own to contribute besides criticism. You know, maybe instead of trying to knock a thread in the dirt like you do so many times, you might have some information that could be helpful to those looking for helpI for once?

Every time I see the name AfterInfinity , I prepare myself to be insulted. Lo and behold insults are what I get.

I am not a wannabe anything. I wannabe enjoying life and I know what I know and I know it helps me, so I offer it to others so that tthey can find relief in the methods i have used to find relief. If you have a problem with that, which apparently you do, you need to either go within and find yourself or seek professional help. And if you can't add anything constructive to any thread, please stop coming to ATS, because the last thing the internet needs is another troll.

reply posted on 20-2-2013 @ 07:27 PM by MystikMushroom

reply to post by smithjustinb

*slow clap

Everything you said in your OP has been said a thousand times before. While it may hold merit, it is what you are going to do with that understanding that matters.

No one is going to understand your revelation of one-ness unless they experience it for themselves. Generally speaking, most people don't want to think about it that way -- and are comfortable where they currently are.

I am glad to see other people realizing some of the same things I have come to realize over the years -- but eventually like I -- you will realize most people don't really seem to care or want to care. Sad, but true. I generally keep that kind of talk to myself these days.

reply posted on 20-2-2013 @ 07:59 PM by smithjustinb

Originally posted by Ralphy
We grow up conditioned to judge and asses all things in our environment so maybe we should just accept judging too. Accept ourselves the way we are and then go from there.

I would say it is natural to judge to some degree because of all of the potential demands fear has in our lives. Fear needs to assess/judge its environment to develop strategies to protect itself.
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You cannot avoid human nature. Yes, judgement is a part of your environment. Accept the judgemental and hateful ways of others, but refrain from that mentality for yourself. Do not hate judgement, because that is also judgement. But you can choose not to judge and hate, because that is how you find your greater self. Because we're all one.

reply posted on 20-2-2013 @ 08:02 PM by smithjustinb

Originally posted by MystikMushroom
reply to post by smithjustinb

*slow clap

Everything you said in your OP has been said a thousand times before. While it may hold merit, it is what you are going to do with that understanding that matters.

No one is going to understand your revelation of one-ness unless they experience it for themselves. Generally speaking, most people don't want to think about it that way -- and are comfortable where they currently are.

I am glad to see other people realizing some of the same things I have come to realize over the years -- but eventually like I -- you will realize most people don't really seem to care or want to care. Sad, but true. I generally keep that kind of talk to myself these days.

I agree that people don't care or want to care, but I feel obligated to share because we are one and to relief of others suffering is the relief of my own.

reply posted on 20-2-2013 @ 08:09 PM by AfterInfinity

reply to post by smithjustinb

In my opinion, every one of your posts are condescending, unnecessary, arrogant, never helpful, and in opposition to whatever philosophical and metaphysical thread comes along. Being that you are apparently guilty of the premise outlined in the OP, it is understandable that you would be so cynical. But your contributions have always seemed minimal at best. Maybe instead of being so critical and undermining, you might have something of your own to contribute besides criticism. You know, maybe instead of trying to knock a thread in the dirt like you do so many times, you might have some information that could be helpful to those looking for helpI for once?

Every time I see the name AfterInfinity , I prepare myself to be insulted. Lo and behold insults are what I get.

I am not a wannabe anything. I wannabe enjoying life and I know what I know and I know it helps me, so I offer it to others so that tthey can find relief in the methods i have used to find relief. If you have a problem with that, which apparently you do, you need to either go within and find yourself or seek professional help. And if you can't add anything constructive to any thread, please stop coming to ATS, because the last thing the internet needs is another troll.

Ouch. I guess you haven't been reading all of my posts. I'm sorry to hear that that's your opinion of me, but I can't please everybody, and I guess you've been drawing the short straw. I try to be productive, but I don't sugar coat anything and I call it as I see it.

If my honesty causes you that much discomfort, then I apologize. But I will continue to be honest, regardless of how others perceive it. Including you.

Although I must say, that's an odd post to find on a thread about not judging. I believe my work here might be done.

reply posted on 20-2-2013 @ 08:30 PM by smithjustinb

reply to post by AfterInfinity

I'm just stating facts. It's not an opinion that you are condescending and disrespectful as I'msure many people would agree and in fact I have seen you called out on it by others before . But I don't judge you for it, because I don't know your situation in life. Some people are that way and I accept that. Whatever your situation, I am not above it and have probably been guilty of it at some point in my life. That's why I have the authority to inform you that such attitudes are never helpful.

When I say, "don't judge", I'm not saying, don't see the stove as hot and put your hand on it. I'm just saying don't hate the stove because it's hot and you got burned. It's not the stoves fault it is what it is, it was made that way.

reply posted on 20-2-2013 @ 08:32 PM by smithjustinb

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And yeah, I've read all your posts on my threads and some on others. You're an arrogant ass and we all know it. Show me a post on a philosophical thread where you weren't arrogant. Where you weren't a know it all.

reply posted on 20-2-2013 @ 08:48 PM by AfterInfinity

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And yeah, I've read all your posts on my threads and some on others. You're an arrogant ass and we all know it. Show me a post on a philosophical thread where you weren't arrogant. Where you weren't a know it all.

Do you know how many times I've posted the phrase "in my opinion" or "from my perspective" or "it seems to me" or "In my view"? Each and every time I post that phrase, I make it clear that the following content, unless otherwise specified, is my personal opinion and may not hold true for others. Is that the habit of a know it all?

I've thanked people for their contributions, paid compliments, and encouraged those whom I felt were showing quality effort. Arrogant? Yes. Heartless? No.

And I believe I will take that challenge:

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And that's just one thread.

reply posted on 21-2-2013 @ 04:29 AM by Itisnowagain

Originally posted by smithjustinb

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by smithjustinb

In my opinion, a lot of these types of threads are undermined by the mystical tone that is often used, like a deliberate vagueness intended to sound like a riddle but it obviously has no real meaning.

Maybe if users tried a more practical tone, a realistic down-to-earth approach to the subject, they might be taken more seriously. And I mention this because I see the mystical wannabe-guru tone from you quite a bit. It gives a bad impression of the overall subject.

In my opinion, every one of your posts are condescending, unnecessary, arrogant, never helpful, and in opposition to whatever philosophical and metaphysical thread comes along. Being that you are apparently guilty of the premise outlined in the OP, it is understandable that you would be so cynical. But your contributions have always seemed minimal at best. Maybe instead of being so critical and undermining, you might have something of your own to contribute besides criticism. You know, maybe instead of trying to knock a thread in the dirt like you do so many times, you might have some information that could be helpful to those looking for helpI for once?

Every time I see the name AfterInfinity , I prepare myself to be insulted. Lo and behold insults are what I get.

I am not a wannabe anything. I wannabe enjoying life and I know what I know and I know it helps me, so I offer it to others so that tthey can find relief in the methods i have used to find relief. If you have a problem with that, which apparently you do, you need to either go within and find yourself or seek professional help. And if you can't add anything constructive to any thread, please stop coming to ATS, because the last thing the internet needs is another troll.

Fantastic response.

Here is an example that afterinfinity has not linked:

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by Itisnowagain

Stop posting in riddles. Your posts are almost always worthless because no one ever understands what you're trying to say. It's like you are deliberately obscure. Either cooperate with us, or just don't post at all. There's no use being vocal when you're just going to confuse people for the purpose of feeling wise and sage. You're not a sage. Stop acting like it. PLEASE.

Now, rephrase what you posted so we can understand the point you're making here. I'm assuming it was a point worth posting.

In this example (page 4 'Enlightenment; Just tell us what it is') he speaks for everyone and he does not say that it his just his opinion.
It is not possible to hide from yourself here on ats. Maybe Afterinfinity is not aware of how he comes across.

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reply posted on 21-2-2013 @ 05:43 AM by arpgme

I understand what AfterInfinity is saying. People seem to repeat the same message over and over again, it is usually something vague like "oneness" or "love". I do not harshly criticize such threads because sometimes I love the different perspective, but it is always nice to see a new thought - one that is unique or not really talked about.

smithjustinb, I agree with your premise about not judging someone (or at least in the sense of not making assumptions that you can't know for sure). Sometimes we can miss out on good opportunities and new friends along the way if we let our past experiences become the expectation for new people in our lives, or if we do not give the person who has done harm another chance.

If they do continue in a pattern of negativity towards you, I think that is the time to either address it, or if you know there will be no solution and only conflict - distance yourself from such person.

Conflict is one of the main reasons Judgment should be avoided, but conflict will probably continue to happen as each person has their own perspectives and preferences, but it is better to lessen it (and therefore the drama that comes along with it) than to invite it unnecessarily.

I love the other idea you had with Beauty being manifested in all things and pure appreciation of all that is, but to be honest, it is just too hard for me to hold my awareness at such a level.

Anyway, I tend like your threads even when I disagree with some parts. It's all good.

reply posted on 21-2-2013 @ 06:01 AM by jimmyx

i judge others all the time, it's called wisdom. some lie to you, some cheat you, some are dismissive of you, some have ways of living that i don't find appealing, regardless of their social or financial standing. a few close friends are hard to find, and harder to keep.

reply posted on 21-2-2013 @ 06:59 AM by AfterInfinity

reply to post by Itisnowagain

That quote was me getting sick and tired of all the riddles. You people like to say a lot without saying anything at all. And no, it doesn't make you sound cool. It just clutters up virtual space needed for an intelligent discussion. And I know it's the truth, because everyone else keeps complaining about it.

I make an effort to be detailed and provide practical real-world examples and such, but not you. Not you. You're just chasing yourself in circles.

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reply posted on 21-2-2013 @ 07:03 AM by NorEaster

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I hate when I post this kind of convoluted Namaste stuff. I need to do something about me when I get like this. I wish I knew what it is that makes me think crap like this. Maybe I will never make sense to myself?

reply posted on 21-2-2013 @ 07:04 AM by Itisnowagain

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That rude post your posted to me was in reply to this:

Originally posted by Itisnowagain

Originally posted by ImaFungi
So do you think the best thing for all humans would be to live like cows?

There is no best thing.
Be what you are.

I was not even speaking to you.
My 'riddles' are expressions that many do understand - I cannot be held responsible for your lack of comprehension or anyone elses.

Please watch this short clip about consciousness, creativity and the brain where David Lynch explains why some things are understood by some and not others.
youtu.be...

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reply posted on 21-2-2013 @ 07:32 AM by Itisnowagain

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by Itisnowagain

That quote was me getting sick and tired of all the riddles. You people like to say a lot without saying anything at all. And no, it doesn't make you sound cool. It just clutters up virtual space needed for an intelligent discussion. And I know it's the truth, because everyone else keeps complaining about it.

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So in your opinion - you have intelligent discussions. Your posts don't make you look cool - in fact you come across quite hot headed.

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reply posted on 21-2-2013 @ 08:07 AM by AfterInfinity

reply to post by Itisnowagain

So in your opinion - you have intelligent discussions. Your posts don't make you look cool - in fact you come across quite hot headed.

That's just one opinion, not a consensus. And most of the people complaining about me are the ones doing exactly what I described in my first post in this thread.

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