Comercial from the 50's-Ronald Reagan on socialism

Hmmmm...this seems to be a hot topic right now...watch for yourself



Many of us have already come to the understanding that we are as close to socialism as we have ever been.With drugs like zoloft, prozak, riddalin and xanax being some of the top correlations between the mass shooting we are experiencing of late, this needs to be a subject we touch on daily. It can not fizzle out and we can not allow ourselves to be distracted by other lesser issues. Mental health is the leading reason for societal decay in the US right now and these drugs are the main culprits. I am also linking an article to Natural News and the John Noveske mystery. I am sure this has been discussed in another thread but again I want to keep this on topic and not forgotten.

Read this article! John Noveske Mystery - Natural News

Here's a brief overview....

John Noveske is one of the most celebrated battle rifle manufacturers in America. His rifles, found at www.NoveskeRifleworks.com are widely recognized as some of the finest pieces of American-made hardware ever created. (I own one of his rifles, and it's a masterpiece of a machine that just keeps on running.) Sadly, John Noveske was killed in a mysterious car crash just a few days ago, on January 4, 2013. According to the Outdoor Wire, his car "traveled across the oncoming lane onto the dirt highway shoulder until it struck two large boulders. The vehicle rolled and Mr. Noveske was ejected." But barely a week before this incident, John Noveske posted a lengthy, detailed post on Facebook that listed all the school shootings tied to psychiatric drugs. At the end of the post, he asked, "What drugs was Adam Peter Lanza on?" That was the last post he ever made. Learn more: www.naturalnews.com...

There have been good men and women making information like this evident for a long time now. Are people waking up because they are taking themselves off their meds? Does the effect of a drug only last so long and this is why we see dosages 3 times the recommended amount?
I read somewhere that the Adam Lanza was taken off his medication by his mother before the shooting happened. Abruptly taking yourself off of any drug can cause a person to have adverse reaction. There need to be unbiased studies made on the effects of these drugs on the human mind.

In mother Russia you not use spell check, spell check use you!

The problem is, that profit-driven "health-care" systems have a much, MUCH higher rate of prescription drug users than do more social-leaning systems. So the reasoning behind this only works in bizarro world.

It's basic economics really.

That said, systems with universal health care are not immune from the influence and pandering from the pharmaceutical complex, only much less so than purely profit-driven private markets.

The irony of it all, is that the research and development is done, in large part by publicly funded schools, but the patents and profits are ferociously protected by private corporations.

I thought the terrorist threat replaced the whole "red scare" ploy... I guess it is making a comeback, like bell-bottomed jeans.

the Billmeister

I really don't buy the SSRI (Zoloft, Prozac) correlation. Yes, a high percentage of these shooters are on these drugs, but so is nearly everyone else (well around 11% or 1 in 10).

"But...but...there HAS to be a reason! There MUST be some reason why...!" I know it's uncomfortable to stomach...

...but sometimes, people just be crazy.

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I don't know enough about the meds mentioned,However I do feel we over medicate our youth. In my day a stern voice and an index finger pointed my way did about the same. Back then they did not "spare the rod" so to speak. I never have seen that Reagan video before, but felt it does ring true.

Originally posted by MystikMushroom
I really don't buy the SSRI (Zoloft, Prozac) correlation. Yes, a high percentage of these shooters are on these drugs, but so is nearly everyone else (well around 11% or 1 in 10).

"But...but...there HAS to be a reason! There MUST be some reason why...!" I know it's uncomfortable to stomach...

...but sometimes, people just be crazy.

edit on 20-2-2013 by MystikMushroom because: (no reason given)

I don't believe it is the only reason but I do think it is a contributing factor. I agree that sometimes "people just be crazy" but, when you implement a regimen of drugs that the body begins to rely on you find that there are adverse effects. Put a "crazy" person on these drugs and you suppress the beast but, how long can you really keep a crazy person from going crazy? It may only be 10% of the 11% you describe above but, when you live in a society of 350+ million people that % things starts to become more apparent.

There are different issues mentioned in the OP, but as far as what Reagan said, it cannot be denied.

Reagan used healthcare as an example of a gateway for state control. Many people think that this was the reason for the healthcare law in the first place. Not because the government actually cares about your health, but because now it has an "in" to regulate everything pertaining to ones health.

In other words, the gentle government that promises to hold your hand as you cross the street always refuses to let go on the other side.

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A person with mild to moderate depression usually is more of a danger to themselves than to others. Not just "crazy people" take these drugs. You probably have some family members or coworkers that are on anti-depressants.

It's the people that take the "heavy duty" ones for multiple personality disorder and whatnot -- those are the people I'd be concerned about.

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No study needed. They are bad, really bad. Their impact on society has been one big negative. 99% of those pills could be replaced by bringing back spanking, prayer to public schools.

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I see your point and I have known quite a few people over the years that do take these medications. Personally I don't believe drugs are the solution for the majority of these depression cases. I feel that exercise, meditation, or a simple hobby can solve many of these issues. Many times people are to quick to turn to drugs as an answer because its the easier alternative. I am not saying those with severe depression don't need medication, just not every Tom, Dick and Harry that is feeling out of sorts.

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Many of us have already come to the understanding that we are as close to socialism as we have ever been.

We've never been further from Socialism than we are today.
Is Health Care in the hands of the people?
Nope.

It's in private hands (privately owned which is Capitalism). Government mandates to ensure everyone has healthcare doesn't change the fact that is private insurance companies that you have to buy health care from. If you think our population is over medicated then it is done by doctors who work for private Capitalists in the Health Care and Pharmaceutical Industries.

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99% of those pills could be replaced by bringing back spanking, prayer to public schools.

If you want to spank your child because the portion of their brain that regulates impulse is developing much slower than the rest of their brain (as in the cases of ADHD which we are now learning may be caused in part by high fructose corn syrups that are put in almost everything we eat) then that is your choice and none of my business. But you will not force my child to pray (to which God? Allah, Jesus, Buddah, Luna, Ra?) in a public school.

Originally posted by TheRealTruth84
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I see your point and I have known quite a few people over the years that do take these medications. Personally I don't believe drugs are the solution for the majority of these depression cases. I feel that exercise, meditation, or a simple hobby can solve many of these issues. Many times people are to quick to turn to drugs as an answer because its the easier alternative. I am not saying those with severe depression don't need medication, just not every Tom, Dick and Harry that is feeling out of sorts.

yep, people have been conditioned to think that these drugs are safe so every time someone doesn`t feel "right" they go running to their doctor for some of these "safe" drugs to fix them right up again.

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I tend to agree with you there. These drugs don't "fix" the real-world problems that are contributing to the depression. Many people have situational depression, and simply changing jobs or as you said exercising can do wonders.

Some people's brains though don't produce enough seratonin or norepinephrine -- these people might have a fantastic life (and even admit it) but always feel "down". These SSRI's do work well for those people. It would be like if your Subaru WRX STI runs on 92 octane gas, but all that is available is 90 octane. Well, you don't want to damage the engine or have a rougher ride so you add a little octane boost.

That's probably a really bad anaology, but I'm in the market for a new subaru right now

If you have ever ridden public transportation like the bus...then you've probably run across truly crazy people. Let's keep them on meds and the guns away from them!

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We've never been further from Socialism than we are today.

Bull Crap between medicare and medicaid that is over 100+ million plus Americans name 1 private health insurance provider that has that many on its rolls?

There aren't any.

SOCIALIST is what this country is and what programs are bankrupting us people can lie and call that capitalism, but it aint.

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AAAAHAHAHAHAHA

And some people cant even understand why they are brainwashed, lol.

I hope people understand this is a propaganda piece for corporations right?, nothing more than that, it is not some prophetic warning or ideological statement concerning the evils of socialism. It is Reagen, in an advert, telling you to support the private corporations that control the medicine in society so you can help make them considerably richer.

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And who do you suppose Medicare and Medicaid payments go to? The public? Individual doctors that practice outside the Health Insurance industry (hint it's illegal for doctors to do that in that US without special permission for things like free clinics which are being closed down left and right)? Do doctors get to determine the prices charged for visits, tests and prescriptions? No. The insurance, pharmaceutical and medical equipment companies determine all of those. We don't even have Nationalized Health Care (which most people mistakenly interpret as Socialist) where the government controls the production, salary and prices.

What we have is subsidies for private Health Care insurance, equipment etc... because like everything else in Capitalism, the prices are so out of control that the average person can't afford them and these companies would go broke from not having enough customers.

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And who do you suppose Medicare and Medicaid payments go to?

Wrong question to be asking should be asking who is paying for them to get that "free healthcare" they aren't because if they were they would be solvent.

Then agian those big bad insurance corporations are not being fully reimburst for services,products provided.

Again socialize medicine aka socialism money for nothing and the healthcare fo free/