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Violent crimes rates in the United states.

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posted on Feb, 19 2013 @ 05:27 PM
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In today's media the 2nd amendment has been coming up a lot lately because people are freaking out about a few mass murders. But what I don't understand, is why people are going crazy trying to reduce crime, when it's already been in a decline since 1992, possibly even further. EVERY SINGLE statistic on the FBI's violent crime chart is the lowest it's been since at least 1992. This includes rape, murder/manslaughter , robbery, aggravated assault, and property crime.

I have tried to look at the crimes rates in 2012, but I have not been able to find a credible statistic yet. I believe it takes a year or two to gather all of the information.

Here is the link to that chart directly from the FBI website it self:

www.fbi.gov...

So you can't help but wonder why government is out trying to reduce violence by restricting or taking away guns. If guns were such a huge problem, and big enough to set restrictions or bans, then why is the murder and violent crime rate so low? Why try to reduce violence whens it's already been dropping by itself for at least 19 years? It seems like you typically try to figure ways to reduce crime when it's become a big problem, not when it has been dropping.

Just more proof this is all just a ploy to try and gain even more power. Using a few events as scapegoats, and play on the emotions of people just to further an agenda that's been planned from the get go. No matter what happens, people in power will always point out certain things to help them get what they want. And Obama is doing a very good job with his Sandy Hook obsession. Even George Bush had his own thing going on. The war on terror. He invaded Iraq because of "terrorism" after 9/11 when about 2/3 of the hijackers were actually Saudi Arabian. He used this event to illegally invade a country based on "terrorism." Even when people started realizing they shouldn't have been there in the first place, they began saying they had WMD's, yet no such weapon was ever found.

Anyway, take a look at the chart and tell me what you think. Also if you have any credible data to share I'd be nice to take a look at it.




posted on Feb, 19 2013 @ 05:30 PM
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They want to take away guns because that's the last act of defiance from the will of the people.
The liberites this country was founded are slolwy being fed into the wood chipper and ther are some out there who are more than willing to help them do it.



posted on Feb, 19 2013 @ 05:31 PM
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Because the liberals screaming for gun control have no interest in reducing crime. Crime rates have nothing to do with it.

They are trying to get their agenda passed of which grabbing all guns is part of. These recent shootings are simply an opportunity for them.



posted on Feb, 19 2013 @ 05:32 PM
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Our political leaders care more about consolidating power and influence over us. They don't do much looking out for the citizens of this country.

If/when crime rates go up it will be because "there are still too many guns on the streets!"

It's obvious they have an agenda. It has nothing to do with our best interests or safety.



posted on Feb, 19 2013 @ 05:38 PM
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Yeah they like to say "more guns more crime." But what I find interesting, is that since Obama was elected, gun purchases shot way up compared to Bush's presidency. And even when so many people have been buying guns, the crime rate STILL hasn't gone up, it is still gradually going down.



posted on Feb, 19 2013 @ 05:39 PM
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People by and large are and have always been fundamentally good, otherwise we couldn't have made it to where we are today, society would never have left some hellish neolithic Mad Max land.

The elite want to keep the vast majority of people in wage slavery and poverty and then shrug their shoulders wondering (pretending to wonder) why violence erupts, and their solution is to take away our rights and throw everyone in prison.

Not to mention most violent people are from ultra-religious or abusive (fascistic) home lives, many are put in Illuminati-run "youth services" where they are routinely beaten and raped by other orphans, caretakers, or foster parents. Often violent people were introduced to the penal system at a young age and enter into a constant relationship with it as time goes on. Violence begets violence and ignoring vulnerable people creates victims, who later victimize.

Only those who fear "the people" oppose the 2nd amendment. The reason the United States has a crime problem is because it's social safety net is appallingly low, it's sweeping under the rug of sexual and physical abuse, and it's cognitive dissonance from being raised to worship the Bronze Age Assyrian, city-razing image of soldiering while expected to never be violent. It is a society whose government operates almost entirely on the concept of justified violence.
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posted on Feb, 19 2013 @ 05:48 PM
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So if it's not to reduce crime, then why do liberals want to grab your guns?

Everything is backwards nowadays, gun ownership to me sounds liberal not conservative. This liberal/conservative divide is pretty stupid, do you not realise that liberal is not the opposite of conservative?

The opposite of liberal is authoritarianism. Being liberal on gun control should mean you support gun ownership.
The opposite of conservative is progressiveness. Conservatism is about maintaining the present establishment, and traditional "values". Progressiveness is moving forward and advancing, constant change for the better. True socialists, anarchists, communists are progressives.

No one on Earth is completely conservative or liberal, we are all a mixture of both. You are all being told what to think, stop falling for it. They have you trapped in a political box you can't see out of.


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posted on Feb, 19 2013 @ 05:56 PM
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If people want to kill they will find away. Look at all those knife attack in china in recent years. No guns but they killed many people.



posted on Feb, 19 2013 @ 06:02 PM
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Yes, most people that commit these crimes were actually victimized or abused in their lifetime for obvious reasons. If you grow up being loved, then you in turn, love the people your around. And if you are abused or never shown love/affection, you begin thinking that people should not be loved. And you begin losing your humanity. Making it easier to commit violent crimes such as rape and murder. You don't feel sympathy, or empathy anymore, because these things never were introduced to you.

Also people who go to jail for small crimes may end up being hardened in jail from more violent offenders. And could increase them going out and committing more crime.

The fact of the matter is that today we just think throwing someone in jail, or killing them is the way to go. We do not want to accept the fact that these people are mentally ill and need help, not a 50 year jail sentence. We need to really dig into the mental health situation in this country, and the world as well. Only mentally disturbed people can commit these crimes, and they are not "normal" at all. Which is why gun control is ridiculous. Normal people won't go out and kill other people for no reason. Only sociopaths, phsycopaths, or any other mentally ill label can do these things. Most of these people are actually using anti depressants or similar medication. which just makes things worse.

We need to look at WHY people commit murders, not look at what kind of weapon they used, then decide to try and ban them.



posted on Feb, 19 2013 @ 06:23 PM
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The gun's debate isn't an issue here in the UK....but I find this interesting.

Over all crime as reduced for many year's here in England where I live...in particular violent crime as reduced by 47% since 1996. Despite this, poll's always show that people feel less safe and feel they are more likely to be a victim of crime than they did say 10/15 year's ago. Everyday you see some form of propaganda, everyday you see the media here telling us we have become a more lawless society and planting fear in the people.

Maybe the issue goes even further than the gun's in the US....maybe there is a bigger reason for wanting a nation to feel that everyday life is becoming less safe and there need's to be intervention to save them. The gun's are out of the equation here in the UK and there is no need to disarm us.....but yet we still are subject to the same concept that our country is becoming a more threatening and unsafe place to live despite the fact's showing otherwise.



posted on Feb, 19 2013 @ 08:46 PM
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I'll give you as honest answer as possible without the hyperbolic authoritarianism/tyranny BS that more users of this site want to believe.

The violent crime rate is still too high. More people are murdered with handguns than any other weapon in America. International statistics on violent crime aren't very useful because different nations define violence differently. In the UK a physical argument (fist fight) is a violent crime, in America it's simply referred to as assualt.

Also, no one is going to 'grab' your guns. Do you remember when the police, FBI and ATF went door-to-door in 1992 gathering up all the assualt weapons after the ban? I don't.

I could tell you that you're right, crime is down overall. Thirty two thousand people were killed by guns in 2011. The lowest number since 1981. Fifty five thousand people were shot, but not killed, in 2011. The highest number since 2008.

I'm sure someone will toss out some statistics on the number of people who die on roadways each year. A staggering number, but Americans are unwilling to put a reasonable amount of money towards public transportation while we are very willing to hand out driver's licenses like candy.



posted on Feb, 19 2013 @ 09:02 PM
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Originally posted by links234
Also, no one is going to 'grab' your guns.

Well it wouldn't be much of a gun ban if they didn't.


I could tell you that you're right, crime is down overall. Thirty two thousand people were killed by guns in 2011. The lowest number since 1981. Fifty five thousand people were shot, but not killed, in 2011. The highest number since 2008.

I'm not going to argue your specific statistics, but I will talk generically about statistics when it comes to the gun control debate. Statistics like "people killed by guns" may or may not include law enforcement shootings. A significant amount of "gun violence" statistics include law enforcement legally discharging their weapons in accordance with their duty. Statistics can be deceptive. It is important people consider the genuine issue here, and that is "people killed unlawfully by guns legally possessed in the hands of a citizen." That statistic is probably not recorded and is definitely quite small.


I'm sure someone will toss out some statistics on the number of people who die on roadways each year.

Because it is a valid argument about the absurdity of society's relationship to risk. We accept huge amounts of risk everyday for rather nebulous reasons. Really the speed limit should be lower and there would be a significantly smaller amount of road deaths, but people want to procrastinate and speed to their destination. Society has come to a level of consensus on acceptable risk even though we are all quite saddened and shocked when someone is killed in a high speed collision.

The gun control debate exists because there are some who are uncomfortable with something that represents a very low risk factor in society and their solution happens to be hyperbolic and conducive to the desires of tyrants.

By the way, Links234, I wasn't really arguing with you directly, just using your statements to jump off on my own pontification. Also, I met Rammstein once


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posted on Feb, 19 2013 @ 09:19 PM
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Yes crime rate is still to high, and it will always be to high until we ever get 0% crime, if that is even possible. However, we've been on the right track since it has gone down nearly 50% in 19 years. I doubt an all out ban would occur. But I'm just trying to say it is not the right idea to go after "assault weapons" that were involved with a few mass murders recently. AR type weapons are far less used in gun violence. I believe about 60% of gun violence is used with a pistol, whether it be armed robbery, or actual murder. We need to figure out why people are committing these crimes, rather than say these weapons they used need to go away. Plenty of serial/mass murderers never touched a gun, yet they still killed a handful of people. People will always find ways to kill other people. And it's silly to go after AR's, saying they need to reduce violence, but it's been going down for quite sometime. It would make much more sense to do this is if the crime rate was at a staggering rate. The odds of being killed by a gun is very very slim. In 2011 the murder rate was 4.7 for every 100,000 people that's 0.000047% chance of being murdered within a year. And the actual percentage would be lower since not every murder in 2011 was from a gun. So I would imagine about 0.000035% chance of being murdered by a firearm even less of that percent due to a AR.



posted on Feb, 19 2013 @ 09:30 PM
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I reread your OP. It's not necessarily about reducing crime overall. That's a secondary objective. The primary objective would be reducing the number of mass shootings. We have mass shootings at least once a week in America. I'm defining mass shooting as any one person shooting more than three people in one incident.

If you're OK with mass shootings as the price we pay for 'freedom.' That's fine. I'm not and a lot of other Americans aren't OK with it either. There's a good, reasonable debate to be had on mental health as well. I'd suggest a single payer healthcare system in the country...but we all saw how that turned out during the months of debate over Obamacare.

So, to summarize; gun control is less about overall crime and more about specific crime. I hope that helps.



posted on Feb, 19 2013 @ 09:39 PM
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I was referring to the self described liberals in Washington who are doing this, not the factual definition of what liberalism is.

I do know the difference.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.



posted on Feb, 19 2013 @ 09:49 PM
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I see where your coming from, mass shootings are a problem. But the probability is too low. It all comes down to being at the wrong place at the wrong time. And typically more heavily armed areas have less crime for obvious reasons. Which is why gun restricted areas like schools, theaters, and other gun free zones are suspect to shootings. There are a lot of people around, and none of them are armed to protect themselves. Making them sitting ducks.

Criminals take advantage of gun restricted areas because they know they won't find any resistance, at least until the police arrive, which can take about 10 minutes. And if your caught in a hail of gun fire, you can't afford to wait that long.

Any restrictions that occur give criminals even more opportunities. They obviously don't care about the law, and any regulation that comes along ultimately benefits them.



posted on Feb, 19 2013 @ 10:08 PM
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I don't think gun free zones are any more or less likely to attract gun violence than non-gun free zones.

Oregon mall shooting on December 11, 2012.
California packing plant on November 6, 2012.
Wisconsin salon on October 21, 2012.
Florida salon on October 18, 2012.
Minnesota workplace on September 27, 2012.

What makes national news are the ones that happen at schools and generally injure or kill more than 10 people. Mostly, mass shootings are reported in local areas and we hardly ever hear about them.

There's a list of them here.



posted on Feb, 19 2013 @ 10:18 PM
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Well I'm the one who should apologize for the misunderstanding, I should have explained the reply was not directed at you personally, other than the first question.

I am still interested in why you think the liberals in government want your guns?

We are already under an economic dictatorship, government doesn't need to take your guns. Most of us are already complying with the agenda without even realising it. You can't fight a system with guns, and it is systems, that we accept, that put us in tyranny. The majority have already accepted the economic system, the state has made sure of that. Whatever happens the system will remain because most people do not know anything different, and fail to realise it's the economic system that creates our problems in the first place.


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posted on Feb, 20 2013 @ 12:09 AM
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Originally posted by links234
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I don't think gun free zones are any more or less likely to attract gun violence than non-gun free zones.

Oregon mall shooting on December 11, 2012.
California packing plant on November 6, 2012.
Wisconsin salon on October 21, 2012.
Florida salon on October 18, 2012.
Minnesota workplace on September 27, 2012.

What makes national news are the ones that happen at schools and generally injure or kill more than 10 people. Mostly, mass shootings are reported in local areas and we hardly ever hear about them.

There's a list of them here.


Yeah plenty of other shootings happen in different locations. Although those places you've listed are basically gun free also. I don't think any workplace allows guns. At least a vast majority don't. Depends on your state and the concealed weapon permits.



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