Several Major Gun Manufacturers Refusing Business With Law Enforcement In New York, page 2


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reply posted on 20-2-2013 @ 04:35 AM by bigdohbeatdown
reply to post by newcovenant



Its not going to hurt anyone. Like you said, they'll just buy their guns else where. The point of it is to draw attention to the issue, and apparently it has worked.


reply posted on 20-2-2013 @ 02:42 PM by zedVSzardoz
reply to post by nighthawk1954



good.

ridiculous laws need this sort of solidarity in opposition.

Looks like money is not the driving force behind the second amendment advocates as insisted by the gun grabbers.

Looks like gun manufacturers are civic minded first and foremost....
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reply posted on 20-2-2013 @ 02:48 PM by macman
reply to post by intrepid



Nope. The Budget for most LEA is bare bones enough without the added cost of purchasing a firearm twice the cost and then import fees on top of that.

Even with firearms manufactures like Glock and FH being sold here in the States, they don't come directly from the manufacture. They have to go through an Importer.

Here is to hoping that the Importers start the ban as well.



I say hell yes to those that are Banning these Moronic States.
I will be spending my money with those companies.


reply posted on 20-2-2013 @ 02:50 PM by macman
reply to post by Sly1one



There are typical Liberal/Progressive strongholds of the major Cities that the State Govt cites as their "Roaring support".


reply posted on 21-2-2013 @ 12:59 PM by circuitsports
this is my official response to this that will appear on tacticsplus.com later today



Every day the anti gun / pro gun battle rages I see people taking increasingly extreme stances on these issues (like everything else in politics). However its the behavior of some in the pro gun community that is starting to look like cutting off their nose to spite their face.

Today as one instance of that I see a report that Olympic Arms will no longer sell to law enforcement in New York state. And that Cheaper than Dirt will not sell any products to law enforcement that can't be sold to civilians.

In both cases there is a question about what actual effect it would have on their current business with law enforcement. As well as the possibility of being a publicity stunt to both repair damages to their brands like CTD's price gouging of items like PMAG's or possibly in Olympics case trying to gain back some brand recognition. But aside from that possibility both statements are ludicrous.

Selling less firearms does nothing good for anyone in this instance, it just reduces a companies viability and negatively effects the supply side contractors jobs and revenue as well. For what?

Law enforcement doesn't make the rules, it enforces them. And for every Olympic there is 10 others like H&K that could case less. Cops will still get their guns. Just at a higher cost to tax payers. And Politicians could care less, they will just increase taxes to cover them if need be. Or the Defense Department through DHS will just buy it for them. And they certainly aren't shy about wasting spending large amounts of tax payer money on military grade weaponry for law enforcement.

And now today I am hearing about Comcast no longer allowing firearms related advertising on its new purchase of NBC properties. The first thing I see is endless remarks about people switching to some other random service or worse yet none at all. Obviously turning off ones access to local news stations reporting on these very issues is a genius move. Also reducing viewership of several key firearms related channels like Sportsman or Outdoors does what exactly?

It hurts the very companies and industry that you are trying to promote. Reducing their viability which reduces there advertising capability which reduces there sponsors viability which reduces the number of firearms centric companies, which reduces the resistance to new laws. Which when coupled to a less informed society makes it very easy to control the message. The most striking example of this is CNN's anti guns polls designed to legitimize opinions and programming as if it was an unbiased representation of the nation as a whole. History Channel alone has done more for the growth of firearms through Sons of Guns than most organizations. Despite the complaints from people who think they could have somehow built a better TV show mousetrap.

I will get some critics especially for that last statement. But chances are if you interact with enough people on both sides you can see it's effects on people who had no idea those types of weapons were legal and now wish to exercise the rights they weren't before even aware of. The NRA should make that show a center piece since the statistics show it's more engaging than they often are.

If people want to change their reality they can't ignore and bankrupt the message. It's too big and persistent for that. They have to change it.

If you are a company thinking about turning of your support to law enforcement you are just hurting your cause. Instead of losing that counter issue revenue, recycle it into pro message funding. You are not hurting or swaying the people that need to be swayed by doing anything less.

If you are reading this and you aren't an NRA member, membership.nrahq.org... . You will get 10 bux off and you can join the largest and most active organization for legal and actual change in this country. And for the critics of the NRA who think X organization does more for them because they are "truer" to the message. Don't get me started on what is the definition of perfection. I will instead simply remind everyone of a very simple and basic concept that I think embodies this current climate.

United we stand, divided we fall
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reply posted on 21-2-2013 @ 01:48 PM by lnfideI
To me anyhow, the above long winded post sounds like it came from the mouth of a government shill.

Here is how it works.

I sell a steaks for 50$ a piece.

I sell good steaks, they are some of the best, that is WHY people order them. If they were not good, no one would be ordering. Orders are brisk.

But gov said I cant sell to anyone with grey hair.

So I say ok, but I wont sell it to you the Gov now.

So They buy steaks now from another country, lets say Brazil.

Unfortunately, these steaks are of lesser quality, and at times filled with ECOLI.

Oh and by the way, by the time that the Gov has the steaks on the table back home,it cost 80$ a piece,and are not even close to the quality they originally wanted.

So now they pay almost double for a lesser product and have the stigma that goes along with not having what they originally wanted.

Word spreads fast, and back in good ole Brazil, someone with a bone on for the Gov does some special prep work on the meat before it is sent. They giggle like little excited school girls at the fact that all these Gov people back in AmeriKa are eating things like, feces, semen, juices from things you don't want to know about, needles, ex-lax, name 100 other things.

If I was selling steaks to 300+ million eaters, they would take precedence over the 5 or so million gov eaters.

If you cant see it, its sad. This is just basic business know how.

Nike sells more black leather shoes to people than fuscia leather shoes, so most of the line is black, not fuscia.
if Nike started changing all the shoes to fuscia, and only a few to black, they would be out of business very fast.

You only punch yourself in the face when you do nothing in the face of this type of hypocrisy.

~~~~ __/) ~~~~~~


reply posted on 21-2-2013 @ 02:01 PM by merkins
reply to post by nighthawk1954



Hooray! Finally a good news story involving guns. These companies have some fairly large balls to do this.

I hope they stick to their guns lol! And that they don't eventually have to cave in for commercial or legal reasons.
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