Originally posted by Ophiuchus 13
Yes ArMap, no Caves have been shared located but we both know they are on MARS surfaces, either as raised entrances into the bases of some mountain or hill Crater wall or Hole type openings

No, I don't know that, they may exist or not.

Why do you say you know they exist?

The rover would have mini rovers that could access entrances/holes then the mini rovers would send out a Doppler radar sonar signal/wave in some form could even be a audio wave to make image once inside cave or hole. Listen devices would tell some things also like if you placed a listening monitor inside an EA*RTH cave full of bats ect. The main rover sits outside entrance gathers intel sends back here..

That's what I was thinking, a "central command" rover with an "explorer" rover. It's possible, but I didn't say it wasn't.

see above post

I forgot about radar.

I don't know if the thinner atmosphere is good enough for a sonar-like system.

I think its possible ArMap, its just if done the information may be too severe to release.

It's possible, of that I'm sure, I just think it's too complicated and error prone, that's why I think it's more likely that we see a manned mission first, as those are much more versatile.

As for what they could find it's only speculation.

Can you imagine if PAINTINGS WERE FOUND INSIDE not to mention artifacts that would appear to be not natural formed.

A sonar or radar base system wouldn't see those.

It seems the only thing stopping these expeditions if not already in play would be capital.

And complexity, when compared with what could be gathered from such a mission.

1 feels the entire planet should be assessed before manned missions, like a planetary drone scan and when complete the drones return back to cosmic base as to not pollute the surface.

I don't think that would be a good method, as it would waste a huge amount of time.

Only time shall tell my friend but yes there ARE CAVES and HOLE entrances.

I have never seen any cave entrance, but I have seen those holes in the ground, but I don't think entering those holes would be easy.

Again if EA*RTH had to duck-hide many not cosmic bound would dig into its surface in these DUMBS, now imagine an EA*RTH expedition and no one was here for some reason and the dumbs were found can you see the information that would share if accessed and preserved..

Sorry, I don't understand the above sentence.

Originally posted by charlyv
I would not be so hard on our friend here, he has certainly attained enough content and respect in his threads, not to be subjected to that kind or rhetoric.

That was a result of all his attacks on the mission when, in fact, he (apparently) didn't know what the mission was about. The content and respect he may have earned from other people is irrelevant to me, I respect him as I respect any other ATS member.
(OK, maybe a little more than some other members, as I know him for some time )

He is frustrated, like many of us, that a mission like this will not do more analysis in areas where it seems obvious that science may come out of it.

Obvious only to some people, that's the problem. Also, many people are frustrated because they had a wrong idea about what the mission was about.

This mission DOES have the discovery of life as one of it's key goals. NASA really said it themselves in the mission overview:

I don't see that as "discovery of life"

Here the operative words are "preserving clues in the rocks about possible past life".

Which is not the same thing as "discovery of life".

That means that if there is a "clue", you check it out.

If.

There are no doubt, clues here that should be checked out.

There are doubts that those are clues.

And, there IS an instrument on this rover that can determine if material is organic. It is called the "ChemCam":

An instrument named ChemCam uses laser pulses to vaporize thin layers of material from Martian rocks or soil targets up to 7 meters (23 feet) away. It includes both a spectrometer to identify the types of atoms excited by the beam, and a telescope to capture detailed images of the area illuminated by the beam. The laser and telescope sit on the rover’s mast and share with the Mast Camera the role of informing researchers’ choices about which objects in the area make the best targets for approaching to examine with other instruments

We use spectrometers on Earth to determine if a material is organic. Find organic, then find life.
We may use them to determine if a material is organic, but is Curiosity's spectrometer capable of that?

Even if the majority of science experiments that this package can operate on are geology centric, it does have the underlying mission of finding life , or evidence that it exists.

Isn't it evidence that it existed? Do they have equipment to find existing life?

I , and I am sure that a lot of others, would like to see that "ChemCam" used to zap a piece of that suspected bone fragment, just for the science of it.

Then I suggest you get some kind of "leverage" on someone at NASA or JPL, as I don't expect them to follow everybody's ideas of how they should run their mission.