reply to post by Donegal_TDI
Yes, You are right to be cautious broaching this subject...... It is a highly emotional subject, and considering the evolutionary instincts to self
preservation, and preservation of one's genetic line, necessarily a difficult one to ever talk about in polite conversation....
Without devolving into accusations of Genocide, and the ever present Emotional Rebuttal "Well, then why don't YOU be the first example, and sterilize
And honestly, from their perspective, I can't say that they are wrong... however, as a Scientist I cannot also state that they are CORRECT either.
The primary problem that broaches on our species, and I would imagine on every sentient species, is that Evolution, and the mechanisms of survival of
the fittest are determined by the harshness of the Environment, and the defining characteristic of any civilization, is the fact that we necessarily
ALTER the environment to better suit us.
Therefore, removing survival of the fittest as a Darwinian mechanism for population fitness....
Naturally speaking, this also changes the definition of "Fitness" as it were, in a Darwinian sense.
Unfortunately, the side effects of medical advances, is that genetic code that causes disease and damage is no longer removed from the overall gene
pool, and becomes widely distributed into the population genome.
Now, while I personally agree that implementing population control (I.E. Eugenics) is immoral, and basically wrong.....
I cannot as a Scientist state that the REASONING behind the DESIRE for discussing Population control are irrelevant, or incorrect.
The problem is that in the absence of environmental dangers that might remove genetic related illness from the population, the population as a whole
might become more sickly and weak...
Eventually to the point that we are no longer able to SURVIVE as a SPECIES without our medical technology constantly acting as a crutch to keep us AS
A SPECIES, viable.
And this (Ethics, versus Cold Hard Fact) is a serious problem.....
Because we cannot ethically proceed with Eugenics programs against the wishes of Individual people..... because such an action would violate the basic
logical morality that forms the foundation of Civilization.
However, we cannot ignore the future survival of the species...
I don't think, however, that we truly understand genetics enough to make any determinations, or headway on the subject at hand... as we would be
arguing from a point of ignorance on the topic...
Look... it ain't pretty.... and it's fairly cold.... but the Truth sometimes IS cold.
However, I can understand reservations against Eugenics programs completely....
For example... what genetic traits are deemed "Undesirable" and who makes these determinations?
Are there avenues for corruption in the implementation of the Programs? Could it be used to purge societies of free thinkers? People who Question
Authority? People of a religious persuasion?
Basically, in a roundabout way of saying it.... I understand your concerns, Friend... But humanity as it stands, (especially in light of how human
power structures and authority have been corrupted for personal power at the expense of the majority) is not responsible enough, well informed enough,
or truly mature enough to even really have this discussion in anything except private conversation....
We are not READY for a public conversation about the Facts of Population Genetics, Genetic Drift, Inherited Traits, etcetera... because at the current
time, it would be too easy to use this discussion to further the desires for power of a small group of tyrants.
And far too few people actually see "Genetics" as anything other than Devil-Magic-Voodoo.
We have been dumbed down... we need time to wake up before we have this conversation as adults.
That being said, I shall be the first to Star and Flag your thread... because having a discussion like this takes BALLS, and a dedication to truth
and honesty that most people cannot ever manage to see past their own emotions enough to ever attempt.
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