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posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 03:57 PM
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Originally posted by Kandinsky
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.




What would make Earth stand out from the other potential millions of similar planets in the galaxy that would make an ET want to visit?


In our near future, we'll be using something like spectrum analysis on the atmospheres of planets discovered by Kepleresque missions. As the science evolves we'll probably look for signatures of industry in the atmospheres like light/heavy carbon emissions and methane levels. It's a reasonable direction for our SETI ambitions....

...*If* there are civilisations out there, just *maybe* they'll follow the same path? ...



As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.


True, but we have only been an industrial society pumping out carbon emissions into our atmosphere for only a couple of hundred years or so.

The spectral light from our atmosphere showing that earth may have an industrial society has only been is space for maybe 300 years at best. An ET civilization looking for signs of industry from spectral analysis would need to be within 300 light years of us to detect that light.

That's basically in our galactic back yard, considering the size of the galaxy. That's not the same as saying that all 200 billion stars in our galaxy can detect our industrial society.

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posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 04:28 PM
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Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People

Originally posted by Kandinsky
reply to post by Soylent Green Is People
 
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.




What would make Earth stand out from the other potential millions of similar planets in the galaxy that would make an ET want to visit?


In our near future, we'll be using something like spectrum analysis on the atmospheres of planets discovered by Kepleresque missions. As the science evolves we'll probably look for signatures of industry in the atmospheres like light/heavy carbon emissions and methane levels. It's a reasonable direction for our SETI ambitions....

...*If* there are civilisations out there, just *maybe* they'll follow the same path? ...



As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.


True, but we have only been an industrial society pumping out carbon emissions into our atmosphere for only a couple of hundred years or so.


Then, could it be in the background radiation perhaps? Otherwise I could say they have buoy like devices all over the galaxy, like if we have one big cube encompassing many AU's like 10 galaxies if one of us understands that buoy would light up and the origin of the signal which would be instantaneously everywhere in existence would be reversly calculated.

Anyway how they would travel is pretty much creating a spaceship by thinking about it, like folding matter with the mind or creating an astral device and making it more real than reality itself. Except everyone who has ever lived and who will live of that civilization like a petry dish would have to know about it, understand and agree which is why this doesn't work on this planet and would explain why ET would never show up here as they would have to convince everyone they and their civilization are real.

If anyone disagrees, which happens, that would mean such a newborn will do amazing things because others would have to keep making up better spaceship designs. Pretty much like on earth where humans keep inventing new stuff, for example to keep women worry free someone thought about the nuclear bomb.
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posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 04:39 PM
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reply to post by Soylent Green Is People
 
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.




True, but we have only been an industrial society pumping out carbon emissions into our atmosphere for only a couple of hundred years or so.

The spectral light from our atmosphere showing that earth may have an industrial society has only been is space for maybe 300 years at best. An ET civilization looking for signs of industry from spectral analysis would need to be within 300 light years of us to detect that light.


Yeah, I know and could have added a few caveats to what I wrote, but went for the minimal approach to express the point.


In the realm of speculation, our carbon emissions have been extraordinary for far longer than '300 years;' ice core evidence goes much further back than that. In that light, we've been providing unusual signatures for several thousand years. As it stands, maybe 300 light years is enough? Who knows at this point in time?

Although the Drake Equation is ephemeral, I appreciate your point that some speculative civilisation would need to be watching us at the right time. With regards to the caveats, I honestly don't think we have the data to be ruling out possibilities or being bold enough to err towards certainties. The parameters are changing with every technological step we take.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.


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posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 04:50 PM
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They are the same as they ever were. They manifest themselves to the psyche of the times. They appear in the format we as a collective expect.

They are deceivers and of the dark side.



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 04:59 PM
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You know what, if any civilization has been watching us for the past wee while i'm sure they will be pretty scared/pissed off/stunned at our advancement as a species...or lack off. :-/



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 05:08 PM
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I guess in todays society one has to have something to believe in, for example I was raised Catholic, but now I don't clame a religion, I only associated churches with funnerals and weddings. After mixing Religion with Science while I was in a Catholic School was not a good idea.

So UFOS are like the Almight Man himself, Never seen either one of them. But to think we are alone in this HUGE Galaxie makes one good point, we are an igornate race if we think there is nothing out there.



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 05:09 PM
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Originally posted by Soloprotocol
There doesn't seem to be anyone around.......what do we really have as evidence???.....WORDS!!...

There is a very good reason there is no evidence for UFO's.

That reason is because they are NOT UFO's.

There is an undeniable amount of evidence that shows what they actually are though.

They are extremely skilled at PRETENDING to be aliens.

They are blatant liars with a stealth agenda.

The entire ET scenario DEPENDS on an illusion and the truth is covered up in order to hide the real agenda.

They are NOT who they claim to be.


“UFOs are real but they are not physical. They are messengers of deception”Jacques Vallee


"One theory which can no longer be taken very seriously is that UFOs are interstellar spaceships." - Arthur C. Clarke


"We are dealing with a multidimensional paraphysical phenomenon which is largely indigenous to planet earth." - Brad Steiger


"We got a coverup among the researchers themselves that people are relying on for the truth" ~ Joe Jordan


The UFOs do not seem to exist as tangible, manufactured objects. They do not conform to the natural laws of our environment. They seem to be nothing more than transmogrifications tailoring themselves to our abilities to understand. The thousands of contacts with the entities indicate that they are liars and put-on artists. (John Keel - Operation Trojan Horse p. 266)

Forbidden Secret - www.scribd.com...



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 05:13 PM
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According to cave drawings and records from centuries past, it appears this phenomenon has been going on for quite some time. So, help me out here..why is it taking these charlatans, as one would be led to believe, so long to carry out their agenda?

Something doesn't quite add up.



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 05:26 PM
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There are micro organisms in the universe...so we are Definately not alone...now...in the natural order of things...someone has to be the smartest ,most advanced and someone has to be the dumbest. In my aopinion the micro organisms are the dumbest, so what if WE are actually the smartest and most advanced.what if there is no one in the universe more advanced than us?



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 05:44 PM
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Originally posted by Jaellma
According to cave drawings and records from centuries past, it appears this phenomenon has been going on for quite some time. So, help me out here..why is it taking these charlatans, as one would be led to believe, so long to carry out their agenda? Something doesn't quite add up.

Very good question...

I haven't got time to answer your question properly but this and the PDF linked previously should get you started.

This video talks about them NOT being who they claim to be:



How UFOs Relate to the New World Order

Witnesses describe a massive and coordinated cover-up. People who have had UFO contact are ridiculed and warned that their career will end if they speak. Their lives and their family's lives are threatened. Many people have "disappeared."

A network of military and intelligence agencies along with major defense contractors is responsible for the cover-up. Generally speaking, they are not accountable to the President and Congress. Dr. Greer has met with many Senators who frankly admit they are "not in the loop."

How do they coordinate a cover-up that extends to so many countries? I don't know the answer to this but there is a disturbing possibility that national differences may be more apparent than real.

Witnesses describe secret meetings dedicated to the subject of extraterrestrials that involved an international cast. The New World Order has been here a long time. They are unveiling it gradually.

In the US alone, the cover-up must extend to hundreds of government agencies, military units, research labs and corporations. How is that coordinated?

Dr. Greer quotes Senator Daniel Inouye: "There exists a shadowy Government with its own Air Force, its own navy, it's own fundraising mechanism, and the ability to pursue its own ideas of the national interest, free from all checks and balances, and free from the law itself." LINK



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 05:53 PM
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Don't forget all the gov's/militaries footage they will never release and the pilot's who careers and lives are threatened if they speak.



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 05:54 PM
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Just as with unicorns and leprechauns, someone will at some point have to provide evidence of the existence of UFOs or we will have to admit that they just aren`t real.The only question that remains is how will we know when we have reached that point?
What did it take for people to stop looking for leprechauns or unicorns and finally agree that they probably don`t exist?



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 05:55 PM
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I wouldn't give up just yet.



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 05:57 PM
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I am not giving up, I meant it as that is where the real good footage lies.



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 06:22 PM
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If you want people to take you seriously, you need to start thinking critically.

I don't hear anyone claiming they have seen unicorns and leprechauns. I hear people, sometimes masses of people claiming to have witnessed aerial objects or unexplained objects in flight. To me that is real even if the witnesses are incapable of flagging down or leaping in the air to capture these objects (I am being facetious, but I hope you see my sarcasm).

There are probably millions of accounts of UFO sightings but I can tell you I have yet to hear someone say they have actually seen a unicorn.



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 06:33 PM
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your quote:


So i can honestly say, my opinion is...i think we are alone now, and always have been and probably always will be...


so analyse this:www.abovetopsecret.com...
and this: www.abovetopsecret.com...

for a bunch of stuff like that, check NATGEO for the series..

You have to look better ...



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 06:53 PM
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UFO's exist. I'm referring to the very small minority of reports that cannot be explained, not the vast majority of cases where the object is merely some atmospheric/astronomical/man-made phenomena. For example, the British Royal Air Force a few years back scrambled jets in an attempt to intercept a UFO. Another interesting case where air force jets were scrambled to intercept a UFO happened in Belgium. So, there is certainly something going on here. It's too bad that most people only hear about the sensationalized cases that almost always have mundane explanations (Roswell comes to mind).

However, I do agree with you that UFO's are most certainly not aliens. It is most likely some natural, atmospheric, or even psychological phenomena. If not that, it is probably something we will never have the capacity to comprehend, sadly. But I can say with almost absolute certainty that aliens aren't coming here, because the laws of physics, which are set in stone, tells us that it is practically impossible for any alien civilization, no matter how advanced they are, to escape from their solar system let alone casually venturing out to spy on the more primitive species. Hence, it is completely possible we are not alone and the galaxy could be teeming with life, but civilizations are just separated by too much space to have any sort of meaningful contact with each other.



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 07:04 PM
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watching youtube videos does not count as ufo research .

Canadian ufo files

There is a massive cover up going . Some governments have been releasing some information about it , however I only think that is just the tip of the iceberg .

They are rarely seen because they don't want to be seen . We are just starting to figure out how some make light bend around an object .

Logically thinking if a race of aliens were advanced enough to travel vast distances they would have a knowledge of how to bend light around an object.

or do you think that where we are at now is the pinnacle of existance?

but feel feel free to think what you want .



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 07:08 PM
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Originally posted by Diablos
However, I do agree with you that UFO's are most certainly not aliens. It is most likely some natural, atmospheric, or even psychological phenomena. If not that, it is probably something we will never have the capacity to comprehend, sadly.

"Diablos"

There's yer sign...


There is a massive amount of evidence that tells us these are nothing to do with natural, atmospheric, or psychological phenomena.

Spiritual AND physical phenomenon are both very real aspects involving UFO's.

The vast majority of alien encounters involves some type of spiritual phenomenon.

This has been well documented by many researchers as shown below..


"His abduction started out typically, I.E., late at night, in bed. He was lying in bed, kept wide awake by the barking dogs, when paralysis set in. He was unable to cry out. His Wife didn’t waken. The next thing he knew, he was being levitated above his bed. He then had the sensation he was being suspended by what felt like a pole inserted into his rectum. By this time, he was alive with terror, but he couldn’t scream.

"I thought I was having a Satanic experience; that the devil had gotten a hold of me and had shoved a pole up my rectum and was holding me up in the air... So helpless, I couldn't do anything. I said, 'Jesus, Jesus, help me!' or 'Jesus, Jesus, Jesus!' When I did, there was a feeling or a sound or something that either my words that I thought or the words that I had tried to say or whatever, had hurt whatever was holding me up in the air on this pole. And I felt like it was withdrawn and I fell. I hit the bed, because it was like I was thrown back in bed. I really can't tell, but when I did, my wife woke up and asked why I was jumping on the bed."

"This man was able to stop his abduction. To stop an abduction was something they had never heard of, and this gentleman did it by calling upon the name of Jesus. This particular case was astounding." Unholy Communion: The Fourth Kind Unveiled


Another aspect of the so called alien abduction phenomena is the implants that people claim to have left in their bodies after they have been abducted. This may be the smoking gun. We have physical evidence that the phenomena are not an illusion or delusion. This is hard-core evidence that can be studied in a lab and put through a regimen of scientific tests.

Dr. Roger Leir has had the objects tested by some of the most prestigious labs in the USA. I asked Dr. Leir what he thought the purpose of the implants were and he informed me that his best guess was that they were changing the DNA of the person in whom they were inserted. He doesn’t believe that they are tracking devices. LINK ~ L.A. Marzulli's Blog



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 07:13 PM
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You are very correct. What I was alluding to as far as the Human Race broadcasting, Is the planet wide newtwork of 'telegraph' systems that existed and to a limited extent, exist today. I imagine, that considering the sensitivity of reciever technologywe can produce today, and the sheer wierdness of how the electo-magnetic spectrum works, we may have been detectable a lot earlier than if we just consider the advent of radio. It's just a thought, but having some experience with how signals work and I don't think it's really think it's outside the realm of possibility!





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