CHARGES DISMISSED: State trooper- 100mph; kills one woman; injures another; child through windshield, page 2


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reply posted on 17-2-2013 @ 03:33 PM by Xcathdra
reply to post by loam


Im confused as to why the Prosecuting Attorney felt it did not rise to that level of a crime. Without lights and sirens, we are subject to the same traffic laws everyone else is. Even when running code to burden of responsibility falls to the officer and not the public.

Why another troop / other agency was not assigned to do the investigation is baffeling as well.

Based on the info in the article, I would have to agree the justice system failed - spectacularly - on this one. The only good news is the fact he was never charged with a higher levl crime. It means that is still a possibility. Something that should be reviewed by the AG for Florida.



reply posted on 17-2-2013 @ 03:35 PM by guymontag
reply to post by Xcathdra


I think "failed spectacularly" is an understatement. The situation risks a vindictive family member trying to get justice, among other things, least of which is spitting on the law itself.

What are your thoughts on the fellow officer refusing to testify?


reply posted on 17-2-2013 @ 04:00 PM by defcon5
Originally posted by Malcher
I understand what you are saying but it is still an accident. If someone is getting murdered then it is ok to drive 100mph? He was responding to a serious call.
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

While it is sometimes okay for officers to go to a call “dark” (no emergency lights), this is an FHP trooper we are talking about. FHP does not usually respond to “emergencies”, and the real police down here don't even want them at the scene because they typically don't know how to fill out the correct paperwork.

I have sat through endless complaining from Sheriff officers about the exact same issue with FHP officers taking “off duty jobs”, because they have to call the “real” local police or sheriff office in when there is an incident, which makes it pointless for them to take those jobs from the officers that can actually preform them correctly.

FHP is essentially just traffic cops, and that's all they are equipped to deal with.

The problem is that police, who are not "real" road officers, be it transit cops, DOT, airport police, corrections deputies, etc... are the WORST at overexerting their “authority” because they want the same respect as the actual road officers get. Its like an overcompensation thing.

Oh, and believe me, it was intentional that the officer didn't bother to show up to court...
Officers here typically get into trouble for no showing a court case. This was a deal made between him and his “brothers” in blue, to cut him a break (probably involving the local PBA rep).

You want to start seeing fewer “bad” cops being defended?
Stop supporting groups like the PBA...
99.9% of what they exist for, is to get bad cops, who break laws themselves, off the hook. One of my friends is a PBA rep for DOC, and he was specifically chosen because of his knowledge of the loopholes in procedures, and his ability to protect officers when they cross the line of either the law or department policy.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.


reply posted on 17-2-2013 @ 04:18 PM by loam
reply to post by LeatherNLace


It's interesting the court would defer to FHP's determination that the citing officer's absence was excused.




reply posted on 17-2-2013 @ 04:23 PM by jude11
Originally posted by Sly1one
Originally posted by jude11
Originally posted by Sly1one
Originally posted by Malcher
If police take too long to respond people complain then too, it was an accident and he was on duty. . I dont see how it shows them to be above the law since they are allowed to go above the speed limit when responding to a call.


that is not an excuse...

I'm pretty sure the damage done by going 100mph on the road killing one person injuring others did far more damage than the crime that officer was on his way to address...

regardless the officer still didn't make it to the original call that inspired him to be Dale Earnhardt...so not only did the danger from that call STILL no get addressed...he killed and injured others on top of it...

and these people are supposed to be the societal epitome of "good decision makers"...tiz why we give them such a ridiculous amount of power and authority...



edit on 17-2-2013 by Sly1one because: (no reason given)


Let's not forget:
Accelerating with no emergency lights


But more importantly is the fact that he just couldn't make it to a court appearance that may have had dire consequences on his life, freedom, career etc. Why wasn't a warrant issued for his arrest when he didn't appear? Many other cops were there but he couldn't be?

It was planned to end this way I believe.

Peace


I couldn't agree more...it was indeed planned to end this way...and THAT is what I was referring to when I was saying the "brotherhood" protects itself...


I hope you don't think I was disagreeing with your statement.

Not at all.

Peace


reply posted on 17-2-2013 @ 04:39 PM by LeatherNLace
Originally posted by loam
reply to post by LeatherNLace


It's interesting the court would defer to FHP's determination that the citing officer's absence was excused.



Without a doubt! Why is it that each individual police force has their own internal investigation department/process; should the independent investigators be ordinary citizens that have no skin in the game? I suppose that would make too much sense. That madness is maddening.
edit on 17-2-2013 by LeatherNLace because: speling bea jenius



reply posted on 17-2-2013 @ 05:37 PM by maxamushobbs
reply to post by loam


Get so tired of these cops having different rules applied to them.


reply posted on 17-2-2013 @ 06:07 PM by totallackey
reply to post by defcon5


First you write:

Besides firing the officer involved in the crash, they have also fired the Troops commanding officer, and demoted the Sargent, who should have covered the court hearing, to a trooper. Six other officers are under investigation relating the what happened in the courtroom.


Then you write:
It might still work out that justice is served, but it shows that you cannot trust these departments to conduct investigations on themselves.


It seems the investigation is working if these actions have been taken...right?
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