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I'm a felon, I've served my time...can I have my rights back please?

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posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 12:22 PM
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Originally posted by yellowsnow
I lost my rights for ever because of marijuana charges.


Well to be fair you were caught with 800lbs George Jung...




posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 12:22 PM
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Move to colorado or washington
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posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 12:26 PM
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It would depend which state your in to start with. Secondly, I see the reason the government today wants to restrict the rights of people who break laws. The reason is not citizen safety but to limit the people who can vote and because those convicted often have shown a disdain for government by breaking the government's laws. The government knows that these people will fight back against tyranny because they have already shown that they will not obey the governments rules.....

check out this link ....

www.aclu.org...



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 12:26 PM
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Originally posted by psychonautical
reply to post by TheTimeIsNow
 

Wow.. such ignorance is scary. Our rights are illusions?!?!

What intell agency do you work for again???


Dude ask the Op who cant vote or own a gun if these rights are real??

It is not ignorance

Stop with the insults it is very PRICK lke



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 12:27 PM
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Originally posted by psychonautical
reply to post by yellowsnow
 


Move to colorado or washington
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Finally you say somethings worth a damn :-)



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 12:29 PM
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I am a felon. I vote. I own guns. I am trying to help the OP if you read the other posts I have made in this thread.

My smartassery didnt begin till the like of you came spouting nonsensery regarding intentions and the law.

Go back to your 'intelligence' work... you are not helping here.



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 12:31 PM
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Originally posted by onequestion
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I believe in second chances and that you should have your rights back. I kinda feel sorry for these felons that have served their time, get out of jail and find out how hard it is to get a fresh start. Its so hard for them to get a job cause these days every employer wants to know everything about your past. Your credit history, your criminal record and their stupid drug tests that just about all jobs require. What ever happened to filling out an application, interviewing and getting the job?


Not to invoke a sense of victimization as i do take personally responsibility for the position i am in, but i also inherently understand that apart of the punishment i have been undergoing and will continue to undergo for the rest of my life is unjust from the perspective of the person experiencing this.


When you say 'your rights' the only one you mention is not being able to get a gun.... is that it? If so, as someone with a criminal history for violence, why are you trying to blame your government for you causing yourself to have this restriction? I don't know if the concept of 'spent time' exists in America where after x amount of years you do not have to declare past wrongdoings, or if yours was so serious that concept doesn't apply.

You aren't the victim, you are faced with the consequences of something you did, nobody else.



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 12:32 PM
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BOO HOO he will have to use a crossbow ......

now/today you can get a felony for stealing 10 cds ..... or dvds .....

it is all about socialism and rigging society in the name of the "righteous" ones ........



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 12:34 PM
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We are all victims to a tyrannical govt/judicial system. Either fear the man, or fight the man. If you do not fight to keep your rights you do not deserve them in the first place.

Live in fear. Take your punishment. Be a good sheeple.



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 12:35 PM
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Originally posted by TheTimeIsNow

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by TheTimeIsNow
Yes the government and law has their hands in your cooking jar more than some that's the deal and it is fair--you are always free to leave if you choose so.


Actually, he probably isn't.

You ever in your life been in a fight btw?


Um Actually Yes he is free to leave if his probation is done--WHICH he said t was he can leave if chooses

Yes I have been n a handful of fights-- ONE on one no drugs or drink involved, took my lumps and lost some and ended some as well

WHAT THE FUK DOES THAT HAVE TO DO ANYTHING--UM NOTHING. Are you trying to get all internet tough guy here?


edit on 2/18/2013 by TheTimeIsNow because: EDITs

1) expect to be hammered for profanity circumvention
2) all the details matter not..man to man, drugs, etc...fact is, you participated in an assault. a felony. You simply didn't get caught. How are you then one to judge someone whom got in a fight and got caught?

So as you can see, you judged someone based on what you did...you therefore should judge yourself in the same measure that you judged him...but you won't.
Hypocrisy at its finest.



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 12:35 PM
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Originally posted by psychonautical
reply to post by TheTimeIsNow
 


I am a felon. I vote. I own guns. I am trying to help the OP if you read the other posts I have made in this thread.

My smartassery didnt begin till the like of you came spouting nonsensery regarding intentions and the law.

Go back to your 'intelligence' work... you are not helping here.



How about you not tell me what to do guy

I don't feel sorry for him because he has his health and his FREEDOM (at least the illusions of it ). He can go on the internet and post his thoughts

The likes of me??? I agree once you do your time you are good to go with the exception of convicted felons of a violent crime owning a gun- No you don't get to do that anymore

edit on 2/18/2013 by TheTimeIsNow because: EDITs



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 12:39 PM
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Our rghts are illusions

They keep us in line and the false security that we have these rights and freedoms

WE are not free

The Banks/Bankers, Big Oil, Big Pharma, Military Industrial Complex and others entities Own America and most of the world
edit on 2/18/2013 by TheTimeIsNow because: EDITS



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 12:39 PM
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Originally posted by chrome413
At the rate citizens are being convicted of "felonies" and the rate at which new offenses are being upgraded to "felony" status it won't be long before only a privileged minority hold any rights in America. Can't pay your Obamacare tax?- Felony. Spank your child?- Felony. Forgot to throw out your old bottle of pain medicine after it's expiration date?- Felony

And of course it's easy to sell to the general public. They are felons, of course. They aren't like the rest of us. They don't deserve what we have.



I totally agree with what your saying here ..... 3 shoplifting charges for bubble gum will be a felony in some states....



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 12:51 PM
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Sorry buddy, but no matter how much nonsense you spew, you will never convince me that our right are illusions. Since youve already given up on yours, why dont you stop trying to use them... Start with speech first.

To OP, do not give up the fight. It is possible to regain your rights.. to the point you will never hear of these issues again.



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posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 01:01 PM
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as far as i'm concerned you paid your dues.



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 01:14 PM
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Originally posted by IndianaJoe
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Fortunately the Us vs. Them "game" is the the cornerstone of the american judicial system, it's why it is the most fair system on the planet, let me explain.


Not to be rude, so please don't take this as such, but you don't need to explain anything to me. My knowledge is first hand experience, not just a diploma (even though I have that too) on a wall or books I've read. You seem to be missing the point.

Two people, same exact crime. One hires an attorney, the other receives a public defender. Ahh, but here's where it get's interesting. Both "criminals" (I prefer the term "accused") have the exact same attorney representing them. But wait, how can this be? It's because where I live, attorney's are bound by an unwritten code that they will "donate" a portion of their services to the system for the indigent.

Now it gets really good. See, the one with the money to hire his own defense gets diversion, the other gets a plea, but still has the event on his record for the rest of his life. (I have personally been party to prosecution of individuals in the circumstance I describe on more than one occasion.)

And therein lies the point that you seem to be missing- unequal dispensation of justice. Yes, you're right that money can buy you a good defense. But the problem here is the "Have's" vs. "Have Nots" (indigent). Not everyone has the resources to sell a car or take a second mortgage to pay for their defense. You seem to think Us vs Them indicates an adversarial type system but that's where you are missing the point. It's the Have's vs the Have Nots.

So what do we do about it? I honestly don't know. Compared with the rest of the world I honestly believe our system of justice is the best and most fair in the world. But that does not mean it is without any flaws, or that there is not any room for improvement.
edit on 18-2-2013 by chrome413 because: grammar



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 01:16 PM
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Heads Up



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If it doesn't stop, it will be stopped with post bans.

No further warnings will be issued.



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 01:16 PM
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I believe OP may be gone now. I'd like to return to the issue of "rights" vs your "record," which are really two different things. I stated far above that the "record" was a lot worse in terms of affecting your life than your "rights." Several people have suggested some interesting solutions to the "record" issue.

The problem is that these records, as part of government, are public information. They can be stored and accumulated by anyone. It used to be this wasn't particularly well coordinated or accessible, so the fact you had a "record" was no big deal and finding out if you had one took a lot of time and effort. Now, with centralized databases, anyone can find out of you have a record in seconds, literally, so it's a lot harder to hide than it used to be. The only thing this has to do with "rights" is the public's right to know and if the public treats you differently because they DO know, there's really not a lot you can do about it.

That's why some of these situations really are absurd. An 18 year old has relations with his 17 year old girlfriend who is six weeks younger than he is and suddenly he's a registered sex offender for life. That's nuts, of course. No question. But who do we have to blame for this? Ourselves. The public goes nuts over this stuff, and a sex offender is a universal evil to be hated, so much so that my local rag, er, newspaper, has cut off comments for any sex offender stories, usually because all the comments want to behead the guy (or, more rarely, the gal.) But the government didn't start all these registries without a lot of lobbying from the public demanding this be done. We have our fellow citizens to blame or thank for this, depending on your point of view.

But the fact is even the 18 year old knew better. When my daughter was 15 or so, a tall blonde with long hair, she was frequently accosted by the proverbial carload of boys, "Hey, babe! What's your name?" She replied, "Jailbait!" She knew. So did the boys. And so did our OP, who took a swing at someone while intoxicated, and hurt them severely. He knew he was registered as a fighter. He knew he was good with his fists. He knew swinging and connecting with someone else's face could hurt them. But he did it anyway.

Consequences. They aren't all about the Constitution or what the government did to you. They are about what other people think of you after you have demonstrated your character. (I'm not being lofty about this; I've been there.) A few pages back OP was saying he was interested in gun rights and not having his rights was making it difficult to interact with his family. I'm having difficulty putting those two ideas together, myself.

My overall suggestion is to not "rage against the machine" because it didn't instigate this; OP did. As any parent knows, saying "It isn't fair!" just means you don't agree. "Fairness" is a value judgement. A better way of handling it is to concentrate on the opportunities still available and work in that direction. You can still wind uo with a long and happy life and at the end you kist might say, "If I hadn't done that one stupid thing way back when, I would never have gotten here. It was a blessing in disguise."
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posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 01:38 PM
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Nope. A few pot plants in a pot under a light.

In NJ, that is considered "manufacture", just like a warehouse meth lab, and carries a mandatory 5 year sentence.

I certainly understand your outrage at my calling myself a victim, I hope you never have the need to do something you know to be "unlawful". I was growing it because I found that it helped my (now deceased) wife tolerate her cancer treatments.

It was a choice, I guess I made the wrong one?




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