posted on Feb, 17 2013 @ 05:43 PM
Originally posted by Hopechest
Yeah, really. You really believe that the men who were so meticulous as to write out the clause below which could be interpreted as to allow the
Federal government to do whatever the hell it wants without limit as long as the Congress felt it was done in the name of the "general welfare of the
Article I, Section 8, Clause 1
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence[note 1]
and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
Then they took the time to write out the specifically enumerated powers (below) for what reason? Just for #s and grins? Was there a special on ink
and parchment or were they paid by the word?
• To collect taxes and duties;
• To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
• To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
• To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
• To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
• To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
• To establish Post Offices and post roads.
• To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective
Writings and Discoveries;
• To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
• To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;
• To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
• To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
• To provide and maintain a Navy;
• To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
• To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
• To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the
United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the
discipline prescribed by Congress;
• To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular
States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places
purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and
other needful Buildings; And
• To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this
Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
Seems to me they were being really specific and meticulous on purpose to me. However, there is the last sentence there which is not a power all its
own but is so-called "elastic clause" that vaguely states that other new laws may be enacted based on the other 17 powers - it doesn't allow them to
grant themselves new powers or those not specifically enumerated. Any other powers are reserved for the States to handle.
As written in the The 10th Amendment:
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or
to the people.
So you are one of those people who believe that the founders wrote some intentionally vague clause with the phrase "for the general welfare" then took
all the time to specifically enumerate their powers that are clearly and intentionally also "for the general welfare" just for filler? Why write them
Originally posted by Hopechest
Got anything else?
The SCOTUS and the Congress interpret the clause you mentioned to allow themselves to do almost anything - of course they do who doesn't want the
authority to do whatever they wish? Your gullibility in going along with it is the reason the Federal government gets away with pretty much
regulating anything and everything they want in a tyrannical fashion.
If you choose to allow this interpretation to stand - by all means you are free to but I think it is lazy governance and a misuse of their authority
through a rather convenient and liberal interpretation of a predicating clause.
I do not accept it at all.
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