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posted on May, 15 2013 @ 09:06 AM
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You used the term "Dark Ages" in your OP and it was used many other times. The term, specifically as it is used here is not accurate. Even WaterBottle in the third post stated (paraphrasing) "The Moors pulled Europe out of the Dark Ages". If we were to look at it that way then the whole world was in a "dark age". Even still, much of what gets perpetuated about the European so called "Dark Ages" is exaggerated


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This presentation by Dr. Jose Pimienta-Bey is a fantastic account of who the Moors were, how they gained power in the Iberian Pennisula today know as Spain and Portugal and even more importantly, how they lost power. Many of us dont know that African (Moors) along with Arabs, ruled Spain from 711 A.D. 1492 A.D. They made considerable contributions to Europe who was going through the Dark Ages. The Moors contributed to science, medicine, Art, Mathematics, Agriculture, etc.

This was part of the video description made by the up-loader..


Ok I did used the term Dark-ages you are indeed correct allow me to eat the above got hot sauce??..
But really apologies..
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posted on May, 15 2013 @ 09:15 AM
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Originally posted by n1000
oh have you seen benedict XVI coat of arms and the moor head in there?

Yes I have interesting story behind that will respond later including the other post.



posted on May, 15 2013 @ 11:33 AM
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if we want to look the moors as a race then wat was the race of the majoraty of the moors?the moors were white cos the population was white. if we want to look the moors as a religion then wat was the religion of the majority of the moors?probably was catholic cos probably the majority of the population was catholic. if we want to look to the moors as tribe then the moors were a western european tribe,cos the population was western european. when things started to crumble some moors turned catholic n fight against the moors that came from north africa.if we look at the moors that way then the moors were the berbers that time. centuries after that,when portuguese and spanish were fightin in north africa,they said they were fightin the moors but even then moors werent exclusive for any race,religion or tribe.moors were everythin that moved against them. after that some portuguese wanted to build an army and free jerusalem from the moors.moors in jerusalem?!


You have to look at dynasties and even individuals,, Moorish Iberia for the most part was in effect a bunch of city states. the first conquest was made by by a Syrian refugee who had some connection to north Africans, but the Arab component were the minority in this venture although they were the nominal boss, but things soured because of ethnic rivalries and civil wars occurred along "racial" lines true Arabic was the written language of transmission for various groups but in fact they were in the minority, a time came when Africans from the Senegal organized conquered most of north west Africa and crossed over into Spain they were under no Arab control followed by the Almohad banked rolled by Mali.

Again I said the archetype of a Moor was a black even before Islam for the term is Greek and the Romans used to describe certain north Africans see page 1 , but while all blacks were Moors all moors weren't actually black.
The Dna stuff that I posted if you don't it find credible then you have to take issue with the Spanish bio people who put it out there.



posted on May, 15 2013 @ 02:43 PM
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Originally posted by n1000
oh have you seen benedict XVI coat of arms and the moor head in there?


The Arms of Pope Benedict



The oldest known use of his image on any coat of arms was created around 1300 AD by Bishop Emicho of Wittelsbach in Skofja Loka, Slovenia. The town of Freising, Germany's oldest known coat of arms dates to 1362, which included the head of the Moor along with the bear he supposedly defeated while traveling with Bishop Abraham of Freising. The legend says that Freising's Moor was a servant, however, the crown atop his head may refute said legend. The archdiocese of Munich, the Pope, and several Bavarian municipalities continue to use depictions of the "Freising Moor" on their official coats of arms, a testament to the presence and authority of Africans in medieval Europe. Later, "Maurus" (in the form of Maurice, Moritz and Morien, etc.) became synonymous with not only the aforementioned, but numerous blacks of high regard. Sir Morien, for example, was a knight thoroughly described in the Dutch version of Lancelot (1300s AD) as "all black....his head, his body, and his hands were all black, saving only his teeth."
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Maybe Ratzinger was calculating his use of the Moor of Fresing for his coat of arms trying to induce Africans to either join or stay with the Church while many in the West are abandoning it,also interesting is his Papal name Benedict named after an African Saint by that name.

St.Benedict The Moor



Saint Benedict of Palermo St. Benedict of Palermo (1524-1589) was the first Christian saint of African origin to be canonized in modern times. Born in Sicily (then part of Spain) his parents were freed slaves, said to have come from Ethiopia. In the early 1600’s he was widely venerated in Italy, Spain and Latin America. The statue carved in Sevilla, Spain in the 1730’s captures the saint’s charismatic personality. The glass eyes and bone teeth, his life-like expression, wide spread arms, expressive hands and the movement of his garments add to the animated look of the statue. It’s really quite impressive! Roman Catholic saint, Benedict of Palermo (1526-89), who was born into a family of African slaves in Sicily, led an exemplary life as a Franciscan monk there, and was canonized in 1807. This saint is sometimes referred to as Benedict the Moor or Benedict the African, and in the sculpture his racial identity is emphatically conveyed: his grave face and extended hand are a rich ebony black, their darkness framed and amplified by the brilliant gilding of his robe. By the time this sculpture was carved around 1734, Benedict had long since attracted an ardent following, in Europe, in the colonial Americas and in Africa. Today he’s the official patron saint of African-America, with churches in his honor from Bahia to the Bronx. And images of him, no matter how stylistically varied, continue to combine traces of Renaissance Europe and of Africa. In him the two are inseparable, are one.
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Actually Moors figures prominently in coat of arms often appearing as Bishops and for the original purpose of this thread we were dealing with Christian Moors both mythological and actual like Sir Morien and Sir Pallmades of King Author's fame.
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These PBS link have some really good info of the allegorical nature of some of the Moorish symbolism in medieval Europe ..pls klik^^
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posted on May, 16 2013 @ 08:01 AM
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the first conquerer was Tariq ibn Ziyad that was under the orders of Musa Ibn Nusayr,general of the north of africa.he himself was under the orders of Umayyad Caliph Al-Walid in damascus.

arab were a minority as african were a minority.they all were always a minority.
the first rulers were arabs n the africans were mostly berber that were part of the army,prob the majority of the army were berber,they were the infantry.africans didnt had better luck here than they had in north of africa ruled by arabs.some of them were slaves.


the ones that came next were even worse for them.
the almoravid and almohad were fundamentalist religious movements and if you know the al andalus history you know they turned al andalus into civil war pretty much cos no one really liked them,not even the al andalus muslim.poor africans who followed that religious movements.
the little time almoravid and almohad had any real power in andalus was the decline of al andalus.that was their biggest achievement.


theres no moorish iberia,that never existed.
no arab,or african,or catholic or muslim called himself moor in al andalus.





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