I Quit! The Forced Slavery of America

reply to post by vkey08


I agree with what frazzle said...

and now I'll add

stop playing little factoid games, and stop trying to dodge the real problem/issue brought up in the op...

either your a debt slave or your thrown in a cage, the system is so rigged and corrupt its practically impossible to be truly independent..

and regarding money especially the dollar its a joke..the fed is a joke, the whole world banking system is a joke..

maybe this quick animation can explain to you the kind of sham the banking system is

Originally posted by Dfairlite
reply to post by HillbillyHippie1

 

[quoe]You missed the point. Utterly and completely missed the point. How much can you get a t-shirt for at walmart? $5? and a pair of jeans? $10-$15? Some shoes, another $30. You can cloth yourself for $50. Now, do you think that you could make those things for $50 or even $100 including your time? Unless you're paying yourself

reply to post by HumanitiesLastHope

either your a debt slave or your thrown in a cage, the system is so rigged and corrupt its practically impossible to be truly independent..

.... yet we have to do all we can to BE independent despite the system as it exists.

Between your comments and hillbillyhippy's, something just popped into my head about my independent-as-hogs-on-ice daughters and "labor". Both of the girls decided early on that hospitals and doctors are the anthesis of having healthy babies and opted for home birth via midwife. Not only did it save them a ton of money for each of their kids, there were no nurses waiting in the hallways to jab those innocent little creatures with needles full of toxins before they were minutes old. No doctor bills, no hospital bills. Yay! The kids are all in their 20's now and are fine as frog's hair healthwise and every other wise.

Hope I didn't go too far OT on this post.

reply to post by HumanitiesLastHope


Ya know, everyone should have read Skeptik's post on this but here's a similar response on PBS's site about money, and the misconception we all have about it..

Paul Solman: The charge that a polity owes its economic problems to the government "printing" money in order to debase its value is probably as old as the institution of money itself. And the idea that "paper money" is fundamentally phony, as opposed to "hard" currency made of metal, has a similarly hoary past.

Back to basics. "Money" is -- and has always been -- nothing more nor less than a promise between people: a token of value, mutually agreed to. I give you dollar bills, copper pennies, cowrie shells, tally sticks, whales' teeth, twisted strips of metal -- they're all just IOUs. That is, they're promises that the token will be exchangeable for something else. To the extent that everyone believes in the token, it has value. To the extent that the belief erodes, so does the value. Hence: "credit" comes from the Latin "credere" -- to believe.

The two main forms of money created by the U.S. government are currency -- about a trillion dollar's worth out there at the moment -- and "Federal Reserves:" electronic blips on the books of financial institutions -- mainly banks. The Fed does indeed create these so-called reserves "out of thin air," as you put it, when it buys securities to increase the money supply.

But so what? It's no different than minting more currency. That too is "fiat" money, from the Latin "Fiat" -- "let it be done" -- as in God's "Fiat lux" (let there be light) or Italy's Fiat Punto (let there be a really small car).

Look, someone has to create money, right? If the federal government doesn't do it, rest assured private interests will, like the "barkeepers, barbers and innkeepers" and state-chartered banks whose printed notes led to such inflation after the War of 1812 that even President James Madison, long an opponent of federal monetary control, felt obliged to create the Second Bank of the United States in 1816.

And when Andrew Jackson, who hated paper money, famously destroyed the bank a generation later, one result was an explosion of state banks, issuing state money that helped fuel an economic boom. The subsequent bust resulted in massive debt defaults by the likes of Pennsylvania and Mississippi.

The only good that came of it: a William Wordsworth poem condemning Pennsylvania's "degenerate men."

Originally posted by frazzle

Between your comments and hillbillyhippy's, something just popped into my head about my independent-as-hogs-on-ice daughters and "labor". Both of the girls decided early on that hospitals and doctors are the anthesis of having healthy babies and opted for home birth via midwife. Not only did it save them a ton of money for each of their kids, there were no nurses waiting in the hallways to jab those innocent little creatures with needles full of toxins before they were minutes old. No doctor bills, no hospital bills. Yay! The kids are all in their 20's now and are fine as frog's hair healthwise and every other wise.

Hope I didn't go too far OT on this post.

"Both of the girls decided early on that hospitals and doctors are the anthesis of having healthy babies"

Wow, what an awesomely wrong statement when applied to childbirth as a whole or beyond your daughters.

It's great your grandchildren turned out to be healthy and in those scenarios where a midwife can do the job then that is all that is needed and its a viable approach. For all the children that require advanced medical care what should they do?

I could paint many birth scenarios that I see or hear about every day at work and ask you how you would deal with them? I won't do that though because you wouldn't have a viable answer other then take them to a hospital or let them die..

reply to post by HumanitiesLastHope


The rothschilds are not alone. They must have useful idiots everywhere. Capitalism ITSELF is the problem!

They are simply the generals of the 3,000 year trust/racket. This is what jesus christ tried to warn everyone about and 2,000 years later we are no closer to the truth. In fact we seem further away but we have so many neat distractions with technology, sports, hobbies, etc that it is more difficult to be a critical thinker. People do not have the time to be critical thinkers.

The whole thing is a sham from top to bottom, like a pyramid scheme where the unsuspecting are always climbing the slippery pyramid stones trying to reach the top. There are limits to the amound of wealth you can reach without being killed or thrown in prison.

It is no coincidence everyone has been raised to abhor socialism and communism. I do hate communism but I know why I hate it and not because fox news told me to or senator mccarthy. There are pros and cons to each system.

And when you start examining the mystery schools of masonry it all starts making clicks. We did not evolve from apes on our own. There was intelligent manipulation done on our dna and genes. We must have been breed as a slave race to reptillian beings.

Private central banking is what determines where capital flows and where capital dries up. Without capital you import everything and export nothing. We used to both importers and exporters now we have a service economy, much like any second or third world tier nation. The central bankers(including imf and world bank) and the big commercial banks.

reply to post by opethPA

It's great your grandchildren turned out to be healthy and in those scenarios where a midwife can do the job then that is all that is needed and its a viable approach. For all the children that require advanced medical care what should they do?

From what my kids say, midwives exclude prospective mothers with serious health risks from their practices and they are perfectly capable of evaluating high risks. Also, midwives all have doctors with whom they consult on every case and will call them in if anything goes wrong, either prior to or during a delivery. Granted it isn't for everyone but its an option that isn't considered by many and the statistics are good.

More than anything, it puts parents in control of the situation and thats the kind of thing we're talking about..

hopegibbs.com...

reply to post by vkey08


Money should be *legal tender* and not a IOU. It is IOU only when the creation of money belongs to the private sector, which is the norm in capitalism and socialism.(I owe You)

And you gotta love that "eye of providence" on the one dollar bill. Some people think it is horus, but why then does it say on the very top of the bill "In God we Trust"? Is horus god? Nah, I don't think so.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by vkey08

 

Money should be *legal tender* and not a IOU. It is IOU only when the creation of money belongs to the private sector, which is the norm in capitalism and socialism.(I owe You)

And you gotta love that "eye of providence" on the one dollar bill. Some people think it is horus, but why then does it say on the very top of the bill "In God we Trust"? Is horus god? Nah, I don't think so.

You're missing the point.

If suddenly tomorrow it was found that Mars was made entirely of gold, the price of said would drop to almost negative numbers as it would then become worthless, where doth that legal tender argument go then?

Money, gold, silver, platinum etc, only have value because someone says it has value.. So it really shouldn't matter if it's paper or a gold nugget, what happens if they start backing the paper with oh I dunno, soybeans..

it's all the same animal, at some point in our history someone decided that Gold, since it is pretty impervious to corrosion, would be a base, that tradition held for thousands of years, however, it would be no different if at that same time someone had decided that Uranium was the standard of currency or paper was.. it's all the same.

Originally posted by frazzle
reply to post by opethPA

 

It's great your grandchildren turned out to be healthy and in those scenarios where a midwife can do the job then that is all that is needed and its a viable approach. For all the children that require advanced medical care what should they do?

From what my kids say, midwives exclude prospective mothers with serious health risks from their practices and they are perfectly capable of evaluating high risks. Also, midwives all have doctors with whom they consult on every case and will call them in if anything goes wrong, either prior to or during a delivery. Granted it isn't for everyone but its an option that isn't considered by many and the statistics are good.

More than anything, it puts parents in control of the situation and thats the kind of thing we're talking about..

hopegibbs.com...

Thats the key thing..As much as your daughters dislike health care, doctors, hospitals, nurses, whatever. Their are a large % of children born every day where ambulatory care is required. Where just consulting a doctor is not enough. While a midwife can try and selectively take patients certain issues are not present until the second of birth . Still as long as the options are their are people to chose midwives, hospitals or whatever for child birth then everything is great.

reply to post by vkey08


Money is a confidence trick and does NOT need backing by anything. I have been saying this to people for ages but most seem to have a mental block of sorts. You are correct that basing value of currency on anything that is finite and which itself fluctates is a recipe for disaster. First because the amount of currency in circulation cannot expand to meet population growth or economic growth, and second because as you said gold and silver can become worthless. Each gold or silver certificate needs to be backed by actual gold and silver amounts otherwise the currency is worthless.

Confidence trick example: Lets collect all the monopoly money ever printed and substitute those for USA Federal Reserve Notes. If obama, the senate, representatives and then the people agree THEN we have a new currency in ciruclation tomorrow. Take your federal reserve notes and ask the bank for monopoly money. The fix will be 1usd=1monopoly note. Just like 2,000 mexican peso=1usd

reply to post by opethPA

Thats the key thing..As much as your daughters dislike health care, doctors, hospitals, nurses, whatever. Their are a large % of children born every day where ambulatory care is required. Where just consulting a doctor is not enough. While a midwife can try and selectively take patients certain issues are not present until the second of birth . Still as long as the options are their are people to chose midwives, hospitals or whatever for child birth then everything is great.

Actually their decisions had nothing to do with an overall "dislike" for health care, it was more about not using the system any more than necessary or losing control of their choices to that system. Like I said, they saved boodles of money doing it "their way" and were more than satisfied with the results. I wasn't speaking for the entire world of wimmin folk, just giving an example for those who like to play things a little closer to the vest whenever possible.

The bottom line is that we, as a society, have given over so much of what was once considered to BE independent thought to "experts" because of the examples that are constantly trotted out about "those who cannot be independent".

So those who are capable of independence should not even try to be? That's nonsense.

The same is true, IMO, with respect to local currencies and alternate exchange systems. Those who participate in them aren't (quite as) dictated to by some moron on wall street, they create their own way so as to be less dependent on others who do not have their best interests in mind.

Originally posted by frazzle
reply to post by opethPA

 

Thats the key thing..As much as your daughters dislike health care, doctors, hospitals, nurses, whatever. Their are a large % of children born every day where ambulatory care is required. Where just consulting a doctor is not enough. While a midwife can try and selectively take patients certain issues are not present until the second of birth . Still as long as the options are their are people to chose midwives, hospitals or whatever for child birth then everything is great.

Actually their decisions had nothing to do with an overall "dislike" for health care, it was more about not using the system any more than necessary or losing control of their choices to that system. Like I said, they saved boodles of money doing it "their way" and were more than satisfied with the results. I wasn't speaking for the entire world of wimmin folk, just giving an example for those who like to play things a little closer to the vest whenever possible.

The bottom line is that we, as a society, have given over so much of what was once considered to BE independent thought to "experts" because of the examples that are constantly trotted out about "those who cannot be independent".

So those who are capable of independence should not even try to be? That's nonsense.

The same is true, IMO, with respect to local currencies and alternate exchange systems. Those who participate in them aren't (quite as) dictated to by some moron on wall street, they create their own way so as to be less dependent on others who do not have their best interests in mind.

I am glad they saved money and like I said 100% glad that everything was normal.
Their are just as many cases where that scenario doesn't work though and you have to surrender to the knowledge of someone more skilled.

As long as we as a society have the ability to choose between things like a midwife or hospital then that's the best solution.

What Is the U.S. Trade Deficit with China?:

In 2011, the U.S. trade deficit with China was $295 billion. This was up significantly from the year before, when the trade deficit was $273 billion. Both were higher than any prior year.

The U.S. has a trade deficit with China despite the fact that its exports to that country were the highest in history. In 2011, the U.S. exported $103.9 billion in goods, an all-time record. (Exports in 2010 were only $91.9 billion.) However, imports from China also set a record -- $399.3 billion, more than the $364.9 billion imported in 2010.

The U.S. imports consumer electronics, clothing and machinery from China. A lot of the imports are from U.S. based companies that send raw materials to China for cheap assembly. When they are shipped back to the U.S., they are called imports even though they are profiting American-owned companies. (Source: U.S. Census, U.S. Trade in Goods With China)

Why Is There a U.S. Trade Deficit with China?:

China is able to produce goods that Americans want at a low cost. Despite the loss in jobs, this is unlikely to change. That's because most people would rather pay as little as possible for computers, electronics and clothing -- even if it means other Americans lose their jobs. That's why the situation is unlikely to change, despite recurrent bills by legislators to impose tariffs or other forms of trade protectionism with China.

How does China keep prices so low? Most economists agree that China's competitive pricing is a result of two factors:
1.A lower standard of living, which allows companies in China to pay lower wages to workers.
2.An exchange rate that is partially set to be always priced lower than the dollar.

useconomy.about.com...

Analytical charts of the trade deficit with china can be found on the government census site.

This article says people would rather pay as little as possible for merchandise, SO THEN where are the chineese brand merchandise? Why are they called knock-offs and the media tells people to STAY AWAY FROM at all costs for health reasons and whatnot?

I wanted to buy cheap medicine directly from hong kong for 50% discount but got scared.

reply to post by opethPA

As long as we as a society have the ability to choose between things like a midwife or hospital then that's the best solution.

Midwives often refer patients (ie. diabetics) to high tech medical professionals since that could present a problem. Now try to imagine a scenario in which a doctor tells a pregnant woman that everthing is totally normal and there should be no surprises so she should seek out a midwife .... .

Are there still any young women out there who haven't been conditioned to believe there is only "one" choice for childbirth? Fear sells!

And with insurance being what it is today, you don't even have to be pregnant to not have a choice of which doctor/hospital will be "chosen" to see to your care. They are assigned by strangers who are basically engaged only in mapping out the cost/benefit options for the corporation that holds the policy.

That's just one more aspect of how we've become enslaved by the money masters. Even the medical professionals are slaves to them, maybe more so than the patients.

2012 : U.S. trade in goods with China

NOTE: All figures are in millions of U.S. dollars on a nominal basis, not seasonally adjusted unless otherwise specified. Details may not equal totals due to rounding.

Month Exports Imports Balance

January 2012 8,372.0 34,394.6 -26,022.6

February 2012 8,760.7 28,124.7 -19,363.9

March 2012 9,829.7 31,501.8 -21,672.0

April 2012 8,456.5 33,011.0 -24,554.5

May 2012 8,898.6 34,942.0 -26,043.4

June 2012 8,518.7 35,919.8 -27,401.2

July 2012 8,554.1 37,929.9 -29,375.8

August 2012 8,609.2 37,297.3 -28,688.1

September 2012 8,790.9 37,849.9 -29,059.0

October 2012 10,823.3 40,289.5 -29,466.2

November 2012 10,594.4 39,548.2 -28,953.8

December 2012 10,382.0 34,835.0 -24,453.0

TOTAL 2012 110,590.1 425,643.6 -315,053.5

2011 : U.S. trade in goods with China

NOTE: All figures are in millions of U.S. dollars on a nominal basis, not seasonally adjusted unless otherwise specified. Details may not equal totals due to rounding.

Month Exports Imports Balance

January 2011 8,022.1 31,377.3 -23,355.3

February 2011 8,379.0 27,244.6 -18,865.6

March 2011 9,564.6 27,599.5 -18,035.0

April 2011 7,999.3 29,580.0 -21,580.7

May 2011 7,843.4 32,788.1 -24,944.6

June 2011 7,727.1 34,374.0 -26,646.8

July 2011 8,158.3 35,152.3 -26,994.1

August 2011 8,421.7 37,377.9 -28,956.2

September 2011 8,370.1 36,417.8 -28,047.7

October 2011 9,743.8 37,818.9 -28,075.0

November 2011 9,986.3 36,762.8 -26,776.5

December 2011 9,723.7 32,868.7 -23,145.0

TOTAL 2011 103,939.4 399,361.9 -295,422.5

www.census.gov...

We have been having a trade deficit with china for at least 27 years, so when you add all the other trade deficits with malaysia, taiwan, japan, korea, india, etc that means less american jobs paying taxes to the states and federal government.

I am sure the treasury bond holders love all this debt obligation till the dollar collapses. Oh yeah we have "the petro-dollar".. lmao I almost forgot. Lets keep waging war with everyone to scare the middle eastern countries #less so can keep our currency value high. Too many dumb people believe "petro-dollar" and I should not have even mentioned it. It perpetuates THE MYTH for an overbloated military industrial complex!

The Petrodollar Replaced the Gold Standard

The United States has debt, crushing debt, which makes the former Weimar Republic look solvent by comparison. Unfortunately, the United States abandoned the gold standard a long time ago. What then keeps our economy from degenerating into a trading and bartering society resulting from a collapsed dollar?

The United States’ good economic fortune is due solely to the fact that world must use the dollar, the Petrodollar if you will, in order to make their nation’s individual oil purchases and this provides the only source of backing for the U.S. dollar that the Federal Reserve requires in order to somewhat sustain our back breaking debt that the banker occupied United States government has passed along to the American taxpayer in the form of bailouts. Despite the economic pain associated with the enormous debt caused by the Wall Street contrived Ponzi schemes associated with the now infamous derivatives, America’s economy has proven to be very resilient. However, if the artificial global dollar demand, made possible by the Petrodollar system, were ever to crumble, our days of economic dominance would abruptly end and the resulting economic chaos would be followed by the need to impose martial law on a starving public. Again, tens of millions of Americans will die in this scenario.

The Communist Nations Are Challenging
the Dominance of the Petrodollar

Unfortunately for every man, woman and child in America, that day of economic reckoning is quickly approaching. China has commenced buying Iranian oil in gold. India has followed suit, as have the Russians. The days of the Petrodollar are numbered and therefore, so is the only source of backing of our dollar. Have you and your family prepared for the collapse of the dollar and ultimately the collapse of society?

Like most Americans who have awakened from their slumber, I came to realize that the Federal Reserve Board is responsible for most of the evil perpetrated in the world and I personally loathe the organization. It is hard not to cheer the fact that the days of Federal Reserve Board dominance may be coming to an abrupt end. Yet, I would advise against popping the corks on the champagne bottles because, like it or not, America’s economic fortunes are tied to the health of the dollar and our precious dollar has come down with a terminal economic case of the Asian flu. If the Federal Reserve crashes and burns, so will everything that you have ever worked for. If the Federal Reserve collapses over this impending crisis, the resulting economic holocaust will make the United States unrecognizable within a very short time and your personal fortunes will sink right along with these notorious robber barons who are feverishly involved in stealing as many home mortgages as possible through schemes like the robosigners of MERS. The Federal Reserve, the same people who perpetrated the MERS fraud, is also involved in buying up mortgage backed securities in an attempt to garner the lion’s share of the housing industry. And if you didn’t hear, the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals made it legal for the banks to steal your deposits. Don’t think for a moment that these events are not contrived by the bankers to get as much as they can, of the public’s assets, in as short of time as possible in this time of crisis. The banksters clearly know what is coming and they are in the process of stealing your assets in order to soften the blow of a collapsing dollar and their “Golden Parachute” will be awarded to them courtesy of your hard earned assets.

www.thecommonsenseshow.com...

After speaking with friends, buddies in the military, adults and many others - I have found that many are waiting for something to happen.
If an uprising is formed, and it is organized I and most of the people I talked to will fight against the US government. When US Marines are willing to fire upon the US Government, you know some stuff is messed up in the way things are going.

This is the truth.
If an uprising is formed, I will fire upon anyone who stands for the US Government's unconstitutional acts, "slavery" and general dictatorship-style of backend "legislation/lawmaking".

This isn't anti-president. This is anti-government. To truly form an uprising we must be ready to fire upon the government, their officials, and spokespeople. We must be willing to fire upon US citizens that defend the US government or oppose the uprising (even if its because of their ignorance of facts).

Are you willing to do this? Because that's what we need.

Originally posted by Ghostx
After speaking with friends, buddies in the military, adults and many others - I have found that many are waiting for something to happen.
If an uprising is formed, and it is organized I and most of the people I talked to will fight against the US government. When US Marines are willing to fire upon the US Government, you know some stuff is messed up in the way things are going.

This is the truth.
If an uprising is formed, I will fire upon anyone who stands for the US Government's unconstitutional acts, "slavery" and general dictatorship-style of backend "legislation/lawmaking".

This isn't anti-president. This is anti-government. To truly form an uprising we must be ready to fire upon the government, their officials, and spokespeople. We must be willing to fire upon US citizens that defend the US government or oppose the uprising (even if its because of their ignorance of facts).

Are you willing to do this? Because that's what we need.

You are showing signs of being a phycopath. Worrying.

Originally posted by Cynicaleye

Originally posted by Ghostx
After speaking with friends, buddies in the military, adults and many others - I have found that many are waiting for something to happen.
If an uprising is formed, and it is organized I and most of the people I talked to will fight against the US government. When US Marines are willing to fire upon the US Government, you know some stuff is messed up in the way things are going.

This is the truth.
If an uprising is formed, I will fire upon anyone who stands for the US Government's unconstitutional acts, "slavery" and general dictatorship-style of backend "legislation/lawmaking".

This isn't anti-president. This is anti-government. To truly form an uprising we must be ready to fire upon the government, their officials, and spokespeople. We must be willing to fire upon US citizens that defend the US government or oppose the uprising (even if its because of their ignorance of facts).

Are you willing to do this? Because that's what we need.

You are showing signs of being a phycopath. Worrying.

The soldiers and police that arrested mubarak of egypt and are currently fighting against assad of syria, are they psychopaths as well? To judge people we must look at similar situations throughout the world both past and present.

Only americans are delusional enough(and some europeans like the british) think tyranny happens in third world countries. I suggest you wake up fast! I hate violence but eventually problems need to be solved somehow.