I Quit! The Forced Slavery of America

Originally posted by vkey08

Originally posted by spqrenki
reply to post by frazzle

 

There is simply no honor left in this society. Where are the real men that would spit in the face of anyone that dare have an agenda against God and country?

It's such a shame how easily man sells his soul.

What about people who don't believe in God, you are already separating them out as some how not worthy of your order, so in that respect, you are condemning others for their beliefs..

You mean satan or atheist?

Sorry but I hate the first and have no respect for the second.

I don't even have respect for the mainstream religion, but that is a different story. Spiritualism and good deads are all that matter.

Originally posted by spqrenki
reply to post by vkey08

 

I don't care what you believe in, but the fact is, America was founded on the belief of a higher power. No religious, but the belief in a God. Must you really straw man the statement?

I don't believe in a higher power.. It isn't a strawman when it's what I truly believe, and you are constantly referring to God to be part of this release from slavery.. And if America was founded upon that, there really isn't freedom for those who don't believe as you and they did..

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


So it's ok for you to believe what you wish to believe but not OK for me to believe what I believe? I'm somehow inferior to you? Not the type of response that I expected from anyone that rails for "freedom" for all...

Think about that for a sec...

Freedom for all..

Means whatever anyone believes in, should not be put down, disrespected and trodden upon. Do I like Satanists (the true one's not those mock devil worshipers) no not really. Do I believe in their right to believe as they do.. Yes.. why...

because if the words are to have any meaning they must be applied ACROSS THE BOARD.. there is no freedom for one while another is still oppressed...

reply to post by vkey08


Satanists and atheists can believe whatever they want as long as they do not negatively affect society as a whole or me as an individual. I do honestly think that most billionares and above are satanists to the core and that is why the world is messed up.

Your "freedom" ends where mine begins and vice versa. There is no absolute freedom on planet earth and I doubt there is absolute freedom anywhere in the cosmos.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by vkey08

 

Satanists and atheists can believe whatever they want as long as they do not negatively affect society as a whole or me as an individual. I do honestly think that most billionares and above are satanists to the core and that is why the world is messed up.

Your "freedom" ends where mine begins and vice versa. There is no absolute freedom on planet earth and I doubt there is absolute freedom anywhere in the cosmos.

Well the actual statement and you should get it correct as I have been using it on this site and in my life now for years is:

The rights of one person end when the rights of another have been infringed upon.

But you didn't answer the question I posed, why am I inferior to you because I don't believe in God? (by correlation I don't believe in Satan either but... )

I've been thinking about this problem for a few years now, and I may have come up with a solution. It'll have it's own problems I'm sure, but it might be worth a shot. (pun not intended)

We have a lot of people, and in order to optimize our governance we elect representatives who approximate our views. These representatives maintain and update our legislation, hopefully making a nice compromise.

The problem with it is that people are not perfect. People give in to greed, become power hungry, or are simply bad to begin with. Inevitably, people like this will end up in government, and populations always need to keep a handle on this - by not giving up too much power to their government. Imagine a drone-filled sky and a totalitarian government? Civil uprising would be impossible, and suffering would ensue.

Nowadays, we have amazing communication technology and can easily organize together as groups. Our election of representatives is a legacy from a bygone era. It's redundant, defunct, and should be deprecated.

However, I believe we are at a sensitive time of our development, and we need a stable transition.

So I propose we fire all our politicians and take over governance as a population. We take all our existing legislation and upload it into a Wikipedia-like system, into which we can all contribute. Employees of the government, like the police, action the legislation on behalf of the people.

This idea needs a lot more input - but it should eliminate corruption and allow us to gradually transition to a more utopian way of life.

reply to post by opethPA


I honestly don't think anyone with a billion dollars made their money "the right way". Just like all these A list actors are liberals. You sell your soul in this country to get out of the middle class. That's just the ways it is.

reply to post by vkey08


It is a fact that the founders of this country believed in a higher power... but they also understand that religion should be separate from Government as to not fall into a theocracy. Now if you agree with that or not is irrelevant, it's simply fact. I personally do not believe in religion, but I look up in the sky and think that something had to create that. Does that mean I bow to down and worship Jesus or Allah? No... again, scripture should be separated from God, yet not many people can make that leap.

Regardless, that's the beauty of America. We can all have our own beliefs.

reply to post by spqrenki


Hopefully that argument wins the ID education debate.

Otherwise your kids will be taught creationism in school, not exactly "live and let live".

reply to post by ArchimaX


Home schooling is making a come back

Um. . . . what would you consider a viable alternative?

Take lots of prescription anti-depressants and enjoy the country's descent and demise. At least the powers that be are providing this option.

... The destruction of our Constitution is fun. The destruction of our economy makes me happy. The off-shoring of good jobs will help the US economy. The endless wars to retain a crumbling empire is patriotic. Voting makes a difference ...

Not being snarky... just want to provide some levity because a large asteroid is probably approaching which will solve all of the problems you mentioned in the original post.

Originally posted by spqrenki

 

Um. . . . what would you consider a viable alternative?

What ever happened to going out, cutting down trees, building your own house, growing your own food and not having to worry about a mortgage, cell phone bill, cable and internet, heat, etc.? Nobody wants to live like a caveman but there can and should be an option for something in between.

that is what i have been wondering ?? there has to be an inbetween,

Originally posted by Philippines
Yep, you're right, and I stopped volunteering to be a slave. I am in much better health mentally and physically now after doing that.

I think people will definitely come together more than they are now during a collapse. However the circumstances now compared to the great depression, especially with the people and that they knew how to survive much more than today's generation. If a collapse were to come this decade, I think it would be much much more ugly and worse than the great depression... Because this time around there would be a LOT of hungry and armed people.

I think people will find that survival isn't going to be hard at all. While people are more dependent upon technology today if a collapse were to occur all of that technology is not going to simply vanish. Even after a collapse all of the technology, all of our knowledge and all of our factories are still there. We can still use those factories, we can still use the power plants, we just won't have to show up to work at 9am and stay there until 5pm. We show up whenever we want to, produce whatever we want and leave whenever we want. There's no supervisor to reprimand you if you didn't show up on time, no CEO to slap you if you made a mistake. We simply use the machines whenever and however we want.

Originally posted by jhn7537
reply to post by wantsome

 

Aye aye aye... CEO's are SUPPOSED to be cut-throat, they aren't here to be your best friends, they are there to make the company profits and make the tough decisions others can't make... That is all..... Who ever said that CEO's needed to be Mr. Rogers?

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I just heard a news story where a CEO on an airplane was angry at some woman's baby because he was crying, the CEO ended up slapping the baby himself which only made the baby cry more. When we give so much power to the CEO they become inundated with themselves, they're not used to not having their orders obeyed so when they are disobeyed, even not at work, they don't know what to do.

Really by giving the CEO power we've actually hurt them because it twists their psyche into believing themselves all powerful. They think of themselves as gods among men because we've given them the power to believe so.

Moreover the CEO only seems to think that he can get what he wants by simply beating the problem into submission, but in reality it only makes the problem worse.

Originally posted by Symbiot

Originally posted by jhn7537
reply to post by wantsome

 

Aye aye aye... CEO's are SUPPOSED to be cut-throat, they aren't here to be your best friends, they are there to make the company profits and make the tough decisions others can't make... That is all..... Who ever said that CEO's needed to be Mr. Rogers?

edit on 18-2-2013 by jhn7537 because: (no reason given)

I just heard a news story where a CEO on an airplane was angry at some woman's baby because he was crying, the CEO ended up slapping the baby himself which only made the baby cry more. When we give so much power to the CEO they become inundated with themselves, they're not used to not having their orders obeyed so when they are disobeyed, even not at work, they don't know what to do.

Really by giving the CEO power we've actually hurt them because it twists their psyche into believing themselves all powerful. They think of themselves as gods among men because we've given them the power to believe so.

Moreover the CEO only seems to think that he can get what he wants by simply beating the problem into submission, but in reality it only makes the problem worse.

edit on 18-2-2013 by Symbiot because: (no reason given)

I'm not sure I agree with the idea that CEO's are somehow a special race of #$@holes. There exists in this world drunken jerks of every shape and size. They are just human beings after all so why should they be any different. We know this and we all pretty much understand the basics of business and how it works. Its up to each individual to choose to view the commercialism with discernment.

The thing I have taken from this thread is I feel sorry for anyone stuck in the grind of a job they hate but needed whatever money they can get to live or survive.

People are people..A bad person will be a bad person throughout their life be that as the guy flipping the burgers or the CEO of a fortune 500 .. chances are a good person will be the same way..

yes their are exceptions to that rule and yes when someone reaches that 1% then it is very easy for a good person to become corrupt.

reply to post by pennylemon


I agree, CEOs are not special and are every bit as human as anyone else. The fact is that power corrupts any human being and when we give CEOs power they become corrupt just like any other human being would. The power they are given warps and twists their minds.

The same can be said for others too, look at the woman who called the police when some fast food restaurant wouldn't give her the cheeseburger she wanted. Our society taught her that the customer service agent was her slave and when the agent refused her she attempted to physically force the agent to obey her command. In our society we are taught that customer service agents are there to do whatever the customer orders them to do, "the customer is always right." Many in our society have had their minds warped into believing themselves master to the service agent as slave, ultimately we are all masters and we are all slaves. One another's master and one another's slave.

reply to post by Symbiot


And to my view we are slaves to ourselves really. Not necessarily we as a group but we , I as an individual. I cant wait for the salesmen of the world to suddenly put my needs first. Just because the smiling guy in the suit places the kool-aid on the table does not mean I have to drink it. That's the magic of it , we can choose. I'm not talking about jumping on the latest bandwagon of change, I'm not a proponant of "the bandwagon" , and i'm not talking about waiting about in my jammies hoping someone drops food on my lap. I have had my share of retail/service industry jobs. I have attended hundreds of board meetings and after a car wreck left me a changed person realized it was up to me to start making the changes I needed to make. I also realized that the life i choose to live should not dictate the lives others choose to live. The gist as I see it is that folks are tired of working endlessly only to be eternally in debt to "the company store". People seem to feel that if you work hard, there should be an expectation of liberty from debt, and I would have to agree

taxes=slavery...
remember when they were created?
remember why?
sorry to break it to you


hey we can change it though, we can change anything, we are many...they are few..

be the change you would like to see, i'm not telling you to do anything, just wake up, do what you can and share truth..

get off the grid, physically and spiritually

reply to post by cornucopia


Not everyone has the means or the desire to run off to the hills and start living the agrarian lifestyle. I would love to see some legal challenges to homeowners associations in the suburbs to allow for food producing gardens.