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Of course then you have to pay taxes and as long as you do that life is good, at least on that front.
Originally posted by Philippines
Cool, thanks for the fast response and the intro =). I understand you're conceding freedom is on different levels now? So you are not truly "free" according to your definitions? So let's start with some basics...
1. What do you consider the standards of being free?
2. Refer to #1
Again, thanks for your response, and a mature thought out one. I did have a list of questions living without "law", whatever that means =b
Originally posted by resoe26
Originally posted by jhn7537
reply to post by resoe26
Well that's good because the world needs CEO's and Executives and it also needs all the worker bees. Everyone can't be the top dog....
This is true.
But the persona displayed by some of them... absurd.
Most of the time they don't understand that without the "worker bees", they don't make any money.
Originally posted by opethPA
Originally posted by Philippines
Cool, thanks for the fast response and the intro =). I understand you're conceding freedom is on different levels now? So you are not truly "free" according to your definitions? So let's start with some basics...
1. What do you consider the standards of being free?
2. Refer to #1
Again, thanks for your response, and a mature thought out one. I did have a list of questions living without "law", whatever that means =b
For me personal freedom consists of the following:
1. Can I expand or grow my education however, whenever and by whatever means I want
2. Can I read, watch or listen to whatever media I want.
3. Can I receive the medical care of my choice
4. Do I have the ability to control my own daily destiny
5. On a more materialistic level can I buy whatever I want whenever I want
6. Can I decorate the inside of my house however I want
7. Can I take vacations to where ever I want.
8. Can I provide for my family or those that are dependant on me
Most importantly
1. Can I , through my own choices and actions, live my life in the way that leads to the most rewarding outcome possible.
The expense of having those personal freedoms and living within the rules and structures we have is having a drivers license, paying taxes, using a passport to travel across borders.
By living within in the rules and structure setup by whatever society I live in I expect to have those freedoms listed above. If I was to break the law\structure by not paying money I owe either in debt\bills\taxes\whatever..by engaging in illegal activities then I would expect those personal freedoms to disappear.
Originally posted by jimmyx
society has rules, the more complex the society, the more rules you have. you want to sell hot dogs to the public, fine...if you don't sell all of them in one day are you going to leave them in the water until tomorrow? two days? sanitation and health laws...how many hot dog stands on the block? 1or 4?...how about juice stands?, taco stands? churro stands? coffee stands? 2 of each?...and how about if you owned a small cafe in back of all these stands? would that hurt your business? should you that has the cafe be taxed differently? who cleans up the sidewalk in front of your cafe? the hot dog guy? or you? where does the hot dog stand throw away his garbage and old water and old food? in the street? or in your garbage can? how big of a sign can he have on his cart? a huge one that hides your sign? can he play polka music loud while he serves his polish dogs with sauerkraut? can he have his 5-yr-old kid there helping? how about having his pit bull guard dog on a leash right by your entrance?
yes,...you had freedom back then, freedom to die from tainted water and food, freedom to step in horse dung in the street, freedom to smell piss and s**t from your neighbors outhouse....life was not all rosy and free back in the days when our constitution was written, it was filled with hardship, grief, and misery not seen in this modern era....get over it or move...vietnam, or the african congo has alot more "freedoms" than the US.edit on 17-2-2013 by jimmyx because: (no reason given)
And
yes I do pay local taxes which goes towards supporting my 'local' area. (emptying
refuse, keeping the parks and public areas in a good state, running of the library etc.)
I personally do not use all the amenities but am happy with the way my taxes are being
used for the area.
Originally posted by frazzle
reply to post by opethPA
Of course then you have to pay taxes and as long as you do that life is good, at least on that front.
You just made my point. Don't pay the taxes and its no longer "your" home. In addition to that, they may tell you what you can and cannot do on "your" property. They are the landlord, you are their tenant, nothing more. And so what if you were foolish enough to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to the bank for the privilege of believing you'd own it at the end.
And the fact is we are all one split instant away from a potentially serious accident or injury or a serious illness (the greatest cause of most bankruptcies) and there won't be any government chomping at the bit to bail you out when the bills come due and the insurance runs out because you are NOT to big to fail.
injuredworkersday.org...
Originally posted by jhn7537
reply to post by flexy123
I find it offensive to the people who were actually slaves... I bet the slaves of the late 1700's and 1800's would kill to have the lives today that you call slavery...
Originally posted by opethPA
Originally posted by Philippines
Cool, thanks for the fast response and the intro =). I understand you're conceding freedom is on different levels now? So you are not truly "free" according to your definitions? So let's start with some basics...
1. What do you consider the standards of being free?
2. Refer to #1
Again, thanks for your response, and a mature thought out one. I did have a list of questions living without "law", whatever that means =b
For me personal freedom consists of the following:
1. Can I expand or grow my education however, whenever and by whatever means I want
2. Can I read, watch or listen to whatever media I want.
3. Can I receive the medical care of my choice
4. Do I have the ability to control my own daily destiny
5. On a more materialistic level can I buy whatever I want whenever I want
6. Can I decorate the inside of my house however I want
7. Can I take vacations to where ever I want.
8. Can I provide for my family or those that are dependant on me
Most importantly
1. Can I , through my own choices and actions, live my life in the way that leads to the most rewarding outcome possible.
The expense of having those personal freedoms and living within the rules and structures we have is having a drivers license, paying taxes, using a passport to travel across borders.
By living within in the rules and structure setup by whatever society I live in I expect to have those freedoms listed above. If I was to break the law\structure by not paying money I owe either in debt\bills\taxes\whatever..by engaging in illegal activities then I would expect those personal freedoms to disappear.
Originally posted by opethPA
6. Can I decorate the inside of my house however I want
7. Can I take vacations to where ever I want.
Originally posted by Nicks87
Originally posted by opethPA
Originally posted by Philippines
Cool, thanks for the fast response and the intro =). I understand you're conceding freedom is on different levels now? So you are not truly "free" according to your definitions? So let's start with some basics...
1. What do you consider the standards of being free?
2. Refer to #1
Again, thanks for your response, and a mature thought out one. I did have a list of questions living without "law", whatever that means =b
For me personal freedom consists of the following:
1. Can I expand or grow my education however, whenever and by whatever means I want
2. Can I read, watch or listen to whatever media I want.
3. Can I receive the medical care of my choice
4. Do I have the ability to control my own daily destiny
5. On a more materialistic level can I buy whatever I want whenever I want
6. Can I decorate the inside of my house however I want
7. Can I take vacations to where ever I want.
8. Can I provide for my family or those that are dependant on me
Most importantly
1. Can I , through my own choices and actions, live my life in the way that leads to the most rewarding outcome possible.
The expense of having those personal freedoms and living within the rules and structures we have is having a drivers license, paying taxes, using a passport to travel across borders.
By living within in the rules and structure setup by whatever society I live in I expect to have those freedoms listed above. If I was to break the law\structure by not paying money I owe either in debt\bills\taxes\whatever..by engaging in illegal activities then I would expect those personal freedoms to disappear.
All you have proven is that you are able to live comfortably within the system.
House slave or field slave you are still a slave. The only difference is how comfortable you are living.