I Quit! The Forced Slavery of America

Originally posted by jhn7537
Well, sometimes Person A deserves more money than Person B... If I'm selling a $3 million EMC solution to a fortune 1000 company, I do believe the commission I'm earning off that deal should be more than Joe Schmo who is flipping burgers at McDonald's... So what you're saying is very apples to oranges, unless we're talking about two people working the same exact job with a close background/experience...

And I will never be a fan of socialism... I do believe people are still given EVERY opportunity here in the US to make whatever they want of themselves... You don't need to be born with a silver spoon in your mouth to find success here in this country, cause I'm living proof of that... Hard work and dedication can go a long way

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I'm not talking about Socialism. And yes people can make something of themselves in the USA, but as soon as one slows down,and if you don't have enough money to back you, then the broken system that is in place currently, will run you over like a Mack Truck.

So let's take your words. "Hard work and dedication can go a long way"

Lot's of people work hard, many harder than of the fat ass CEO's of major companies, but because they are high up on the pyramid of a corporation they reap the benefits of the worker bees.

Originally posted by Realtruth
The main problem is some people think they deserve more, or higher wages than other people, that is when things become unbalanced.

Example CEO's getting $300 million bonuses, off of the sweat of many people.

Rich become richer and the poor, or those who have less think they need to work more hours, but when in fact the people with more money are taking a little bit of many people's sweat equity.

People need to wake up and demand equality, but the fact is with large corporations they wouldn't know where to start or how to do it.

Hell in the USA we don't even have control over our government.

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If you have a higher skill set then someone competing with you then yes, you should get paid more.
How can you demand equality when you have one person performing a level 1 and another performing at level 10.
They are not equal nor should they be paid equally.

If you want to say to me that some CEO making 300 million on the backs of his employee is frustrating and his horribly unfair then i will say you are right but thats what happens often when you are in a business.

Originally posted by Kerafyrm
Most of us are the African American slave woman with more freedom but not much lol.

Really?
That might be the dumbest comparison I have read on this site but keep feeling sorry for yourself.

Originally posted by opethPA

If you want to say to me that some CEO making 300 million on the backs of his employee is frustrating and his horribly unfair then i will say you are right but thats what happens often when you are in a business.

That's what happens when people don't demand that profits get shared more equally within a large corporation, but I guess that is how things are and how they will always be until people wake the hell up.

Does it bother me? actually it used to, but if there are people that will work without question then so be it, because that is their personal choice and we should respect that.

reply to post by Realtruth


How do you think those CEO's got those jobs??? For the most part, they WORKED their a** to get there. Do you know how many of them sacrifice having happy families for the sake of moving up that pyramid you speak of? You act like these CEO's just sit around collecting checks all day, when in fact, they are doing work that these low-end workers wouldnt be able to do in their wildest dreams... I'm glad that laborers are great at the labors they get paid very little to do, but to act like thats harder work than running a fortune 500 company is crazy... I've known, met and learned about numerous CEO's and their roads to success were never easy. They worked their tales off to get to the pinnacles of their careers and for you to just act like they do nothing has me at a total loss... I understand that sometimes the salaries and bonuses they get can be a little insane, but when you make a company record profits in the billions (at times) paying the leader $15-30 million is peanuts to them... It's all business...

Originally posted by nomnom

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by nomnom

 

Actually the MIC is what will cause the collapse of the USD! The constant wars based on bs have taken their toll on the national debt and we are nearing collapse. A strong military spread all over the world means jack # when we run out of dollars to spend and tax collection becomes impossible. People who do not work cannot pay taxes and thus depend on handouts to survive.

So basically, sensationalism that has no basis in reality. Check.

What sensationalism?

Pushing nations around on behalf of israeli interests can only bring hate and hate eventually brings doom. The MIC will be the downfall of america and it should be very obvious to any sane person. It diverts money away from social welfare programs, diverts money away from NASA that can deal with space threats or even explore our solar system and provides NOTHING IN RETURN! Sure if you are an inside trader like dick cheney or other congressional scumbags then yes to those folks the MIC is important.

I thought it was the nanny state that was dooming us all. Strange. It most certainly provides a lot in return. re: petrodolar.

The USD was never strong because of the petrodollar. You just WANT TO BELIEVE this because it helps protect your interests and maybe even your trust. The USD was strong because it had the best economy, it had the infrastructure(which is now decaying because of neglect from lack of money), it had industrialisation, it had technology, it had everything. Now it is losing this to asia.

You are not a good person I have to say. Quite selfish and short sighted. The best way to save america is bring back jobs to america by raising tariffs. Companies will be forced to come back, people will go back to work, taxes will be collected, the debt will be reduced.

You are free to your opinion, but it is not accurate, or evidenced in what I speak. I don't disagree with your view of raising tariffs.

I apologise for being abrasive but the constant lies or exaggerations based on selfishness or other reasons wear me out and I have little patience.

The petordollar is a myth. Plain and simple. We don't have to be friends with anyone for them to sell us oil since the oil prices are traded in dollars because america used to strong industrially. We do not have a manufacturing base anymore and that is what should worry people. Forget the military which is way overbloated and a total nuasance not only to the world but for the average american as well.

This is a lie. The petrodolar is an established fact, with history to prove it.

The petrodollar was a myth. I care not what you accept. All natural resources are traded on the markets based on their availability, their demand and other current global events. Instability makes speculators raise their price which is bad for americans and others.

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


You are so not worth my time.

Petrodollar

Federal Budget

/thread

couldn't have said it better but....

all i hear is "waah wahh woof woof meow"
at the end of the day these little ideas to change the system are just ideas with no action taken upon them.
when the people actually do try to change the system the MSM just vilifies about them, the gullible brainwashed americano with swallow it....
example..OWS
ok ok i know, but, they were the "jobless potheads"......
i mean...not all the time you come across people like "us"...the ones considered "weird"...."not normal"..sometimes even paranoid like they would tell me. once i was called a "narrowed minded conspiracy theorist". lol but...
im just saying..

Originally posted by nomnom
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

You are so not worth my time.

Petrodollar

Federal Budget

/thread

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Then why is our economy in the #can?

If obama did not raise the debt ceiling last month the government would have sunk!

The handouts(actually people pay into them you know) are what are preventing totally anarchy.

How dumb can you possibly be?

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


So change the goalposts, and create strawmans.

Your character is out in the open for everyone to see.



Are you honestly trying to tell me the MILITARY is the reason we're in this mess?

GTFO of here. The entitlements are what is killing us.

reply to post by nomnom


The military spends 10 times more than russia or china. I guess that would be ok if aliens were to attack or we started ww3 with our constant expansion of our empire for the few priviliged americans. Are you disagreeing that we have spent at least 4 trillion the last 15 years with all these wars based on absolute fabrications? Well the first gulf war was necessary, I will the republicans that much.

And democrats suck too. I am not giving them any credit because they do not deserve any. In fact they made things far worse with libya, syria, iraq 2nd time, afghanistan, serbia, somalia, etc. They gave 4 trillions in bailout funds to big business and gave americans nothing but a hard time.

The military and business bailouts are what ARE sinking america. Not welfare!

Originally posted by opethPA
Prove to me I am a slave.

Do you WANT to go to work tomorrow? Sure, you "choose" to. But is that where you WANT to be tomorrow?

Originally posted by kiwasabi

Originally posted by opethPA
Prove to me I am a slave.

Do you WANT to go to work tomorrow? Sure, you "choose" to. But is that where you WANT to be tomorrow?

Yes I do actually because I enjoy my job and I'm doing an implementation that is mentally challenging for me. Beyond that I get to work with people that are intelligent , skilled and motivated.

Bravo. I feel the exact same way. I talk about this with my coworkers sometimes, which usually gets me some crazy looks. They have a hard time understanding it, or seeing any other possible way, because they were born into it and it's always been this way. You do not have free will. You cannot opt out of the system you are born into, unless you trade it for another system by moving to another country. If they let you. Everything is owned already. The land included. You are born a trespasser. When a giant corporation is about to fall, instead of letting some other naturally take its place, we all have to bail it out so they can continue to rule over us. Shame.

Originally posted by kaylaluv
I'm curious why you are so scared of our government? Don't like who is in charge? Gather the people to vote them out. You and the people who agree with you should run for office yourselves, so you can make this place a paradise, since you seem to know exactly how it should be run. If what you have to say resonates with the majority of the people, then you will be successful. If you can't convince the people that your way is best.... there's always Somalia.

You really believe democracy works? It has been proven that Bush rigged both elections, and Obama quite possibly did the same with his re-election. Not to mention both candidates are financed and controlled by the same international banking cartel. It is an illusion of choice.

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


I will quickly destroy you here and now, and get on with my life:





You have nothing on the truth.

Just a pack of lies that the good people here are free to see through.

Originally posted by opethPA

Originally posted by kiwasabi
Do you WANT to go to work tomorrow? Sure, you "choose" to. But is that where you WANT to be tomorrow?

Yes I do actually because I enjoy my job and I'm doing an implementation that is mentally challenging for me. Beyond that I get to work with people that are intelligent , skilled and motivated.

Well that's good for you then. Most people do not have work that is challenging or rewarding. By far the biggest problem is that people are not appreciated for their efforts, they are treated as expendable. And sure you can argue "that's due to their poor choices" all day but at the end of the day, there are a limited number of good paying, rewarding jobs out there.

Originally posted by opethPA

Originally posted by kiwasabi

Originally posted by opethPA
Prove to me I am a slave.

Do you WANT to go to work tomorrow? Sure, you "choose" to. But is that where you WANT to be tomorrow?

Yes I do actually because I enjoy my job and I'm doing an implementation that is mentally challenging for me. Beyond that I get to work with people that are intelligent , skilled and motivated.

I just want to jump in quickly because I dont want people to think the above poster is alone....

I LOVE what I do, my Mon-Fri is great each week and I always look forward to the next. I enjoy my weekends too, but I hate that I can't make money during them... When you love what you do and make a decent earning you truly got something special... I honestly feel horrible for those people out there who wake up every day and hate what they do. I wish you guys could find a job you totally loved... Hopefully one day you find it!

Originally posted by jhn7537
reply to post by Realtruth

 

How do you think those CEO's got those jobs??? For the most part, they WORKED their a** to get there. Do you know how many of them sacrifice having happy families for the sake of moving up that pyramid you speak of? You act like these CEO's just sit around collecting checks all day, when in fact, they are doing work that these low-end workers wouldnt be able to do in their wildest dreams... I'm glad that laborers are great at the labors they get paid very little to do, but to act like thats harder work than running a fortune 500 company is crazy... I've known, met and learned about numerous CEO's and their roads to success were never easy. They worked their tales off to get to the pinnacles of their careers and for you to just act like they do nothing has me at a total loss... I understand that sometimes the salaries and bonuses they get can be a little insane, but when you make a company record profits in the billions (at times) paying the leader $15-30 million is peanuts to them... It's all business...

I don't have a problem with ceo's making multi-million dollars if they deserve them. If they make good decisions they should get their fair share, but tax wise they also have loopholes and I doubt they pay what they should. Secondly big business has screwed american entrepreneurship far too much with their lobbying and payouts to government in terms of campaign financing thus denying third parties the coverage they deserve.

If upper management makes bad decisions though then they should accept pay cuts and no benefits. The sword cuts both way, no? Seeing AIG, General Motors, and many banks make horrible decisions and then having the nerve to ask for bailouts is insult to injury.

Originally posted by jhn7537
I enjoy my weekends too, but I hate that I can't make money during them...

I can begin to see a problem here. Your self-worth equates to the money that you make. If you aren't making money, then you aren't valuable as a human being. Maybe I'm overanalyzing here, but I feel like you're corrupted based on that sentence alone.