Rare mass rally over Singapore immigration plans

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posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 10:46 AM
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So why don't you try taking back the "pains and cries" to those super rich leaders, instead of pointing the finger at the immigrants and immigration.


Because mass immigration directly harms the negotiating position of the poor and middle class laborers with the rich capitalists. It brings more unemployment and lowers wages (more workers and bigger reserve army of labor = individual worker has lower value). Hence why the rich elites support it - it benefits them, at the expense of working class.




posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 10:47 AM
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It's not just a Singapore thing. It's a problem in all developed parts of the world.

I have reasons to suspect the birth rate thing in developed countries is tied to economics. If all was left alone, it would eventually stabilize at a sustainable level. The decline in birthrate is a reflection of people adjusting the number of children they have in reflection of their potential for economic success. (By sucess I don't mean being rich, but living at or somewhere above the economic level of their parents.) The other part of this has to do with education, because once people have enough of it - they realize what adjustments need to be made.

Or to sum it up in one sentence, once the job market turns from being employee friendly to employer friendly - the birthrate stagnates or drops.

Of course governments and large businesses don't like this. They want a growing population because by forcing job competition within the population they can drive wages downward for the working class. (For them it's best if everyone not in their club is at borderline poverty and scrambling to make a buck.) If birthrate can't be kept high, guess what other mechanism they can use to push the labor market to further their particular adgenda?

And no, I'm not against immigration. There is a certain level which is good, and mixes things up to prevent stagnation. (Also nothing against people trying to better themselves or wanting a change of scenery.) But it can also be pushed in a way which is only to put pressure on the economy which wouldn't be there otherwise, and is definitely a tool of market manipulation.

Some would then argue that people will make new businesses when faced with this kind of competition. But that also happens to be rather difficult when bureaucracy and regulation get in the way. Which happens to to exist by the truckload in economically developed countries. Some regulations do make sense and are necessary from a health, safety, or environmental aspect, but unrelated things like business licensing, legal liability, or tax code that heavily discourage the creation of new business. It's not exactly the free market some folks would like to hype.

Also guess what happens once these immigrants settle in, get educated, and realize how the labor market works? The suceeding generations then have less children. That should tell you something right there.



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 11:02 AM
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Originally posted by Maslo
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So why don't you try taking back the "pains and cries" to those super rich leaders, instead of pointing the finger at the immigrants and immigration.


Because mass immigration directly harms the negotiating position of the poor and middle class laborers with the rich capitalists. It brings more unemployment and lowers wages (more workers and bigger reserve army of labor = individual worker has lower value). Hence why the rich elites support it - it benefits them, at the expense of working class.


Taking in everyone, regardless of qualifications is insane.

I know so many people rave about how great the Canadian Health Care system is - well, let me tell you it isn't. Yes, having to get an operation won't bankrupt you - but enjoy your wait period to actually get to see a surgeon. I have a hiatus hernia - been waiting months and months, some days it hurts like hell just to get out of bed....my father need laser eye surgery to help with a complication of diabetes, had to wait so long by the time he actually got in it was too late, he is now legally blind.

Sorry for the ramble, but the reason for this? Our health care is over stretched because we have SO many people using health care, but not putting anything back into it. Tired of immigrants coming in and EXPECTING social programs, but have no means of giving anything back. We can not afford to look after the entire world.

It is harsh, is it mean? Am I racist, or a Xenophobe? I don't really care how you put it, but when you just OPEN the borders to anyone you might as well shoot yourself in the head.



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 12:20 PM
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God damn I couldn't agree more. It gets tiresome repeating this all but thank the gods people like you still get it and don't tire so easily.

Keep the faith. Hold it down.



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 03:58 PM
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Man I am so sad to see this. But everything comes to a boiling point eventually. I spent 4 months there in the Summer of '11 for work. I absolutely loved it there. The people were fantastic. I didn't go around running my mouth about how we do things in the U.S. I believe that when in someone else's country, you abide by their rules and customs. If you show respect when you are the foreigner, you will be treated like a guest. In fact I had to jump on a few of the folks that went there with me about that. Must be where those people are from, the northeast. Damn yankees seem so intolerant...but that's another subject entirely...

Any way, I would love to live there, it is beautiful. And the weather is great IMHO, no winter EVER. But the main caveat, you have to be filthy rich to afford to live there in any sort of comfort. The cheapest car is like $65,000.00SGD for the crapiest Suzuki car you can buy! Even if I won the lottery, I wouldn't move there, just vacation there. So I do understand where the Singaporeans are coming from and I hope they get it solved. There is too much history on that Island to let it get washed down the toilet by governmental mismanagement. Hey wait...that sounds like America too!



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 06:42 PM
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All of you saying you will move in with someone.... Come move in with me I will have you screaming for asylum shortly after.

Seems to me like as usual the hate is misplaced and people continue to never talk about touching the untouchables.
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posted on Feb, 19 2013 @ 02:41 AM
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Hey.. Might be wrong time to ask.. but I was thinking of moving to sg and trying to get a job... I just read an article article that suggests there is a'chronic shortage' of junior lawyers in sg. Do you by any chance know if SG firms would (Or can) hire someone with Australian legal qualifications?

ta!
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