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posted on Feb, 17 2013 @ 03:41 AM
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Rare mass rally over Singapore immigration plans


www.bbc.co.uk

Singaporeans have staged a rare demonstration, in protest at government plans to allow more immigration.

Organisers said more than 4,000 people attended the rally, making it one of Singapore's largest ever protests.

They are angry at a recent government policy paper that predicted the population would grow by 30% to 6.9 million by 2030, with immigrants making up nearly half that figure.

Many locals blame immigration for rises in property prices and living costs.
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posted on Feb, 17 2013 @ 03:41 AM
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I am a local Singaporean and I confirm this is nothing new.

Foreigners and immigrants are already slightly more than half of current population in Singapore. I have been monitoring the Singapore government actively converting them into Singaporeans, since 1990s without much media buzz.

We do not regard them as Singaporeans because they are not locals; their behavior and way of thinking are insensitive/offensive to our local cultures and lifestyles.

More locals have remain underemployed and jobless. The mainstream media channels refuse to acknowledge the facts of ongoing inflation, foreigners/immigrants public nuisance and unreported unemployment.

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edit on 2/17/2013 by wisdomnotemotion because: pictures



posted on Feb, 17 2013 @ 03:57 AM
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The problem is that Singapore has one of the lowest birthrates in the world.

On average, a women needs to have about 2.1 to 2.2 children each to maintain the population.

Singapore currently has a birthrate of 1.15 children per women. It's population will half in one generation.

Singaporean women can either start having at least 3 children each (instead of 1) or allow massive immigration.

Otherwise Singapore will economically collapse.



posted on Feb, 17 2013 @ 03:59 AM
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That`s terrible and looks to be happening all around the world (with exception to Japan, I do not see this here).

I`m not against immigration, but I think people need to adapt to the country they are living in, immigration is destroying the unique cultures in the world.

That said I did not born in Japan, but I always loved the people and culture here and I like to follow it. I think this have to be the main point in allowing people to immigrate or not.



posted on Feb, 17 2013 @ 04:02 AM
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Seems pretty childish to me. No one should have the right to tell another human being where they can and cannot go in this world.



posted on Feb, 17 2013 @ 04:03 AM
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But then why the government aims are to grow the population by 30%, and not just keep it stable? Even with low birthrate, such immigration is way overblown, since it goes well beyond fixing that problem.



posted on Feb, 17 2013 @ 04:05 AM
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Seems pretty childish to me. No one should have the right to tell another human being where they can and cannot go in this world.


Yeah, but people need to respect the culture of the countries where they are going to.



posted on Feb, 17 2013 @ 04:06 AM
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No one should have the right to tell another human being where they can and cannot go in this world.


Do you let any people just come live with you in your house? Of course a country has a right to keep unwanted people out, just like individuals have a right to keep people they dont want to live with out of their houses.



posted on Feb, 17 2013 @ 04:07 AM
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Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and Thailand have low birth rates.

But did the governments in these countries disregard its citizens and flood them with more than 50% of foreigners/immigrants population (like Singapore)? No.

Furthermore, the foreigners and immigrants in Singapore have misbehaved; crimes, insults against locals, ungracious public presences.

Just few months ago, a boy from India (in Singapore) made a bomb threat against Singapore.



posted on Feb, 17 2013 @ 04:20 AM
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Originally posted by Maslo

But then why the government aims are to grow the population by 30%, and not just keep it stable? Even with low birthrate, such immigration is way overblown, since it goes well beyond fixing that problem.


Don't get me wrong. I'm no fan of unlimited immigration.

The question isn't whether mass immigration is necessary or not. With a birth rate of only 1.15 children per women, Singapore either allows immigration or collapses. The question is the scale of the mass immigration. Why the need to increase the population by 30%?

The answer could be the population explosion elsewhere and the need to compete internationally.



posted on Feb, 17 2013 @ 04:20 AM
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I think the problem of low birthrates is way overblown anyway. In a country like Singapore they have more than enough resources to take care of an excess of old people. In fact, a growing population puts a lot more more strain on economy than a shrinking one. What difference does it make if Singapore will have 3 or 6 million people? None, what is important is that they have good living standards per capita.



posted on Feb, 17 2013 @ 04:21 AM
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Originally posted by muse7
Seems pretty childish to me. No one should have the right to tell another human being where they can and cannot go in this world.


In that case, I'll be right round to live in your house. I hope your wife doesn't mind me sharing your bed with the two of you.



posted on Feb, 17 2013 @ 04:24 AM
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Low birthrate is a scam tactic used to allow this crap. Once people give in, you'll start seeing numbers of citizens that are unemployed equal to migrant laborer numbers. The hippy douchebags that now run the world will call people racist for questioning what happens in their own countries. And the corporatist will enjoy the further spread of cheap labor.

Whatever people want to do in their own country is their business. There is a handful of countries in the world right now that have began fighting this BS, and the fight is spreading. Let's tune down the rampant capitalism/socialism and let globalism level out already. Who cares about the corporate and government pigs anyway?



posted on Feb, 17 2013 @ 04:28 AM
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Originally posted by Maslo
I think the problem of low birthrates is way overblown anyway. In a country like Singapore they have more than enough resources to take care of an excess of old people. In fact, a growing population puts a lot more more strain on economy than a shrinking one. What difference does it make if Singapore will have 3 or 6 million people? None, what is important is that they have good living standards per capita.


As long as a society is rich, then capital can replace people.

That is as long as the capital has been invested for the future rather than spent today by the government in a giant ponzi scheme. Sadly, most governments don't invests pension contributions for the future but rather squander them today. I'm not sure what the Singapore government has done.

Another issue is that the current banking system is set up in such a way that it collapses if growth is not perpetual. Essentially, an amount of new borrowing equal to the interest payments on existing borrowing must occur each year or the system collapses.

Thank the bankers and quite possibly the Singapore government for the need for population and economic growth to be perpetual.

Of course, ultimately it can't be...
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posted on Feb, 17 2013 @ 07:42 AM
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Singapore seethes over population plan


Singapore - Thirty-year-old Hayatt Shah made the most difficult decision of his life last month.

The Singapore native gathered his belongings and left behind his family and friends to begin a new life in Japan with his wife and six-month-old daughter.

High housing prices drove him to move from Singapore, explained Shah, who added he has no regrets leaving a country he no longer recognises. "I refuse to pay such a high price to live in a box that I have a lease on for 99 years. It's crazy that property prices here in Saitama [in Japan] are more affordable than properties in Singapore."

Like many of his fellow citizens, the musician and English instructor found it increasingly difficult to sustain a comfortable lifestyle in Singapore, where he was born and bred. "It is the simple fact that I don't feel like I am home anymore in Singapore," he said, which spurred him to move.



posted on Feb, 17 2013 @ 08:56 AM
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SINGAPORE - Thousands of Singaporeans demonstrated on Saturday against a government plan to increase the island’s population through immigration.

Allowing more immigrants to enter the city-state will erode the national identity and threaten livelihoods, they said.

Protesters gathered at Speakers' Corner at Hong Lim Park at the edge of the city's financial district on a rainy afternoon, many dressed in black and carrying signs opposing the plan.

Lawmakers from Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong’s ruling party last week endorsed a white paper that outlined proposals including allowing more foreigners through 2030 to expand the workforce.


Singaporeans rally against immigration



posted on Feb, 17 2013 @ 09:52 AM
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Originally posted by muse7
Seems pretty childish to me. No one should have the right to tell another human being where they can and cannot go in this world.


Better make a new addition to your home, I am moving in as well.

(by the way, I don't feel like working anymore so you are going to have to take care of me)



posted on Feb, 17 2013 @ 10:25 AM
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Singapore is a tiny island state, about half the size of hongkong which has a densely packed population of 7 million today. Singapore plans to have 7 million within that small island? Insane.

Singapore is not USA, China, Africa or Australia with a HUGE landmass that easily accomodate billions of immigrants and everyone well fed if resources are used and managed wisely. Singapore has no mineral resource, only a well placed geological position in the world, the centre for trade, finance and tourism with its intelligent and secular workforce.

Immigration and cheap foreign labour is never an answer to economics. Economics do not stand alone by itself and is only a contributing factor to the building of a nation.

Slavery was outlawed for both economic and social reasons, as the costs were high. Immigration and cheap foreign labour is nothing more than legalized slavery and much worse off, as at least slaves have their lodging and food taken care of. Immigration and cheap foreign labour only impoverise eveyone, including the citizens whom will be out of job or have low wages to compete against rising inflation and property prices. Only the rich will get richer from slavery while everyone else suffers.

Better the economic policies rely heavily on well trained local labour with better productivity through intelligent use of technology in value add services and manufacturing output, which will give better wages to build up a strong, reliable and loyal supporting middle class.

GDP growth figures are great. But if the citizens are discontented, the GDP figures can easily go south in a flash, as Libya, Tunisia and Egypt found out. And packing 7 million into that dense small space with strangers competting and reacting with one another is gonna cause a heck lotta social discontent, with blame falling squarely on the state administrators.



posted on Feb, 17 2013 @ 12:13 PM
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Originally posted by muse7
Seems pretty childish to me. No one should have the right to tell another human being where they can and cannot go in this world.


You're either a kid, a rich person or someone with very limited real world experience. Yes that would be true, if people who went to those countries around the world respected the people, the culture, the laws,and the country itself.

Well done Singapore, dont let them do to you what they have done to us in the Western world.



posted on Feb, 17 2013 @ 12:19 PM
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Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by muse7
Seems pretty childish to me. No one should have the right to tell another human being where they can and cannot go in this world.


In that case, I'll be right round to live in your house. I hope your wife doesn't mind me sharing your bed with the two of you.



Occupying a certain area of land on Earth is entirely different from Choosing who you live with in that private space of yours ....Not a fair argument really





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