reply to post by bb23108
I didn't know what else to say, but what you said, almost all the way through that post with the exception of the speculation surrounding what you
thought I might have meant in regards to the Resurrection Life of Jesus Christ, that was off a bit.
Regarding Jesus' Resurrection Life (domain of heaven on earth, and beyond even to the nth degree, at all levels all the time as the light of life) I
am absolutely convinced, for a whole host of reasons, that Jesus "ascended" to those hills yonder (see my avatar), with his bride at his side, maybe
even a chestful of reparations for his ordeal (and to keep him out of town never to return again lol), and one of those perfectly tailored dazzling
white suits worn by the two men at his tomb that the women saw - not angels but very very well dressed men, men who understood the true nature of his
ritual and prophetic fulfillment who held it in the highest regard, so much so that they used to lever to roll away the stone thus playing a role in
the ritual itself (would it not be appropriate to be well dressed for such a solemn and Godwilling, joyfully anticipated affair?), friends of Joseph
of Arimathea, and by extension of Nicodemus.. And would it not also be appropriate to so equip the men among men Jesus in their midst upon exiting his
tomb? I don't see why not. According to the story of the Road to Emmaus, well here it is, take a look
Jesus Has Risen
24 On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb. 2 They found the stone
rolled away from the tomb, 3 but when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus. 4 While they were wondering about this, suddenly two
men in clothes that gleamed like lightning stood beside them. 5 In their fright the women bowed down with their faces to the ground, but the men said
to them, “Why do you look for the living among the dead? 6 He is not here; he has risen! Remember how he told you, while he was still with you in
Galilee: 7 ‘The Son of Man must be delivered over to the hands of sinners, be crucified and on the third day be raised again.’ ” 8 Then they
remembered his words.
9 When they came back from the tomb, they told all these things to the Eleven and to all the others. 10 It was Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother
of James, and the others with them who told this to the apostles. 11 But they did not believe the women, because their words seemed to them like
nonsense. 12 Peter, however, got up and ran to the tomb. Bending over, he saw the strips of linen lying by themselves, and he went away, wondering to
himself what had happened.
On the Road to Emmaus
13 Now that same day two of them were going to a village called Emmaus, about seven miles[a] from Jerusalem. 14 They were talking with each other
about everything that had happened. 15 As they talked and discussed these things with each other, Jesus himself came up and walked along with them; 16
but they were kept from recognizing him.
17 He asked them, “What are you discussing together as you walk along?”
They stood still, their faces downcast. 18 One of them, named Cleopas, asked him, “Are you the only one visiting Jerusalem who does not know the
things that have happened there in these days?”
19 “What things?” he asked.
“About Jesus of Nazareth,” they replied. “He was a prophet, powerful in word and deed before God and all the people. 20 The chief priests and
our rulers handed him over to be sentenced to death, and they crucified him; 21 but we had hoped that he was the one who was going to redeem Israel.
And what is more, it is the third day since all this took place. 22 In addition, some of our women amazed us. They went to the tomb early this morning
23 but didn’t find his body. They came and told us that they had seen a vision of angels, who said he was alive. 24 Then some of our companions went
to the tomb and found it just as the women had said, but they did not see Jesus.”
25 He said to them, “How foolish you are, and how slow to believe all that the prophets have spoken! 26 Did not the Messiah have to suffer these
things and then enter his glory?” 27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures
28 As they approached the village to which they were going, Jesus continued on as if he were going farther. 29 But they urged him strongly, “Stay
with us, for it is nearly evening; the day is almost over.” So he went in to stay with them.
30 When he was at the table with them, he took bread, gave thanks, broke it and began to give it to them. 31 Then their eyes were opened and they
recognized him, and he disappeared from their sight. 32 They asked each other, “Were not our hearts burning within us while he talked with us on the
road and opened the Scriptures to us?”
33 They got up and returned at once to Jerusalem. There they found the Eleven and those with them, assembled together 34 and saying, “It is true!
The Lord has risen and has appeared to Simon.” 35 Then the two told what had happened on the way, and how Jesus was recognized by them when he broke
Jesus Appears to the Disciples
36 While they were still talking about this, Jesus himself stood among them and said to them, “Peace be with you.”
37 They were startled and frightened, thinking they saw a ghost. 38 He said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do doubts rise in your minds? 39
Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.”
40 When he had said this, he showed them his hands and feet. 41 And while they still did not believe it because of joy and amazement, he asked them,
“Do you have anything here to eat?” 42 They gave him a piece of broiled fish, 43 and he took it and ate it in their presence.
44 He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses,
the Prophets and the Psalms.”
45 Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures. 46 He told them, “This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise
from the dead on the third day, 47 and repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48
You are witnesses of these things. 49 I am going to send you what my Father has promised; but stay in the city until you have been clothed with power
from on high.”
I read that as Jesus employing the art of disguise and having some fun with his friends, walking with them, asking them "why so sad, what's going
on..?" (feining ignorance), then revealing his true visage to them while breaking bread (symbolic), hungry at one point asking for food, showing them
his healing wounds.. "disappearing" from sight (could mean just suddenly leaving in a wink of an eye out a door opening, not "vanishing" that's an
assumption by the reader).
To then ride of our town never to return while creating heaven on earth with every gallop and trot of a one horse carriage, maybe even the jingling of
bells.. laughing all the way ho ho ho..
You call it the merest of speculation, but I think it's elementary dear Watson. (puffs pipe).
Something like that.
A survival, by the thinnest of threads and a rather miraculous healing yes (but still clearly on the mend), yet with a healed face, and nothing but
the most prominent wounds apparent.. (a very very good healing based on the brutality he suffered not three or four days prior).
And if he went into the ordeal double bind (obedient unto the point of death) even if having seeded it in the mind of those who helped facilitate it -
with Joseph of Arimathea and some say Nicodemus requesting from Pilate and receiving the body of Jesus into their custody, taken down early because it
was on preparation night and it would otherwise defile the passover to keep him there beyond a certain hour, taken, wrapped (or not) and placed in a
tomb, owned by.. Joseph of Arimathea.
What a victory! What a triumph!
(that's the happy stone rolling away) LOL!
I tell you at some point you might just slam your hand down on your desk or your knee (don't hit the cat) and go - ah HA! in an epiphany regarding the
untold "part two" in the life of Jesus Christ, and yes by many accounts he hooked up with James his apostle or discipline (not the brother who was
stoned) and traveled across Europe to as far as what is now France, even England, and then back through Persia to the Indus River to Kashmir where the
tomb holding his bones lies today, and there were imprints taken of his feet cemented into the base of that tomb which perfectly correspond to a
crucified man with one foot placed over the other and one large spike driven through both. Big deal he left his body in Kashmir.
This would overturn much of Christian thought or so some might think, but not if you get it, see it's magnificent splendor and beauty, that in
reserving everything for us, and witholding nothing whatsoever it was necessary to have the courage and the audacity to also save it and reserve it
for himself whereby the last are first and the first last, and I do NOT mean that selfishly, it's just his logic and genius taken to it's final and
inexorable conclusion and we must remember that he did take the whole load of suffering while remaining obedient unto the very point of death, while
completing the whole ritual flawlessly.
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