As rights erode, is war coming to America?

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posted on Feb, 16 2013 @ 08:35 PM
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As we witness our rights, liberties and freedoms being degraded at a literally feverish pace, are we in real danger of civil war? If so, what is the extent of the damage done so far by the current government to warrant such contemplation? What is the actual chance this could happen?

As we have been slowly getting used to violations since the patriot act and witnessed the obvious violations of the 4th amendment by the TSA, "Safety Checks" or roadblocks if you wan't to be honest about it and now we are told there will be Constitution free zones which will affect more Americans that not, we are left to wonder how else they are starting to compile data, surveillance and intel that we are not aware of in direct violation of our freedoms.

From the economy and the initial signs of world inflation and the very real possibility nations are moving away from the US dollar as the standard we are seeing action being turned up by federal 3 letter agencies. This includes the DHS purchasing a contract over the next 5 years for 1.5 billion rounds of ammunition, a number that by their own reports of usage equates to a 100 year supply.

We are seeing every manipulation tactic from false flags to fear mongering from the corporate MSM to brainwash us into thinking gun control and disarmament is for our own good and protection. We have an ongoing and extensive practice of militarizing our local and state police forces complete with regular DHS intervention and training in even the most rural communities and a President that uses the question "Would you fire on American citizens" as the litmus test for their appointments.

Take a quick watch of this video ATS, this is from all sorts of media from main stream and RT to even some Alex Jones (He isn't always a useless windbag). Get to thinking about the high pitch frequency we are all riding right now and try and visualize in the big picture where we most likely are heading if something isn't done to rein things in and soon.



This is not fear mongering nor is it exaggeration, this is a real situation that needs to be contemplated, discussed and brought to light in the hopes that cooler heads may prevail because the way things are headed, it is a dark path ahead.




posted on Feb, 16 2013 @ 08:38 PM
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oh yeah, I'm gonna murder the guy down the street because some internet thread tells me obama is a socialist tyrant kenyan muslim

wtf ?

makes no sense dude

john haber made the same mistake



posted on Feb, 16 2013 @ 08:39 PM
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America is a very young country in comparison to other nations. All other nations have had their times of battle within one another. Roman Civil Wars, the three kingdom civil wars of the English, the Chinese civil wars of the 1930s and so many more. They are bound to happen and the second American Civil War is coming. I am thinking in the 2020's. I suppose we can only prepare for that. The writing is on the wall.



posted on Feb, 16 2013 @ 08:42 PM
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Originally posted by Helious
As we have been slowly getting used to violations since the patriot act and witnessed the obvious violations of the 4th amendment by the TSA, "Safety Checks" or roadblocks if you wan't to be honest about it and now we are told there will be Constitution free zones which will affect more Americans that not, we are left to wonder how else they are starting to compile data, surveillance and intel that we are not aware of in direct violation of our freedoms.

The 4th amendment stops unreasonable searches and seizures. Reasonable searches are not violations of the 4th amendment.

"there will be Constitution free zones" wtf are you talking about?

the NDAA doesn't actually allow the indefinite detention of Americans, like CTs keep saying.

I really don't see how you can make the claim our rights are eroding.



posted on Feb, 16 2013 @ 08:42 PM
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Originally posted by syrinx high priest
oh yeah, I'm gonna murder the guy down the street because some internet thread tells me obama is a socialist tyrant kenyan muslim

wtf ?

makes no sense dude

john haber made the same mistake


I didn't mention, the word Obama, Socialist, tyrant, Kenyan or Muslim. Kindly remove your oversized head from your posterior and go troll elsewhere, thanks.



posted on Feb, 16 2013 @ 08:45 PM
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War will come to America when the Americans decide that freedom is no longer enough. When they decide they cannot have freedom without peace, they will suffer hell to find it.

That is my opinion in the matter. The only question is, what will it take for them - for all of us - to decide?
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posted on Feb, 16 2013 @ 08:46 PM
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Originally posted by Ghost375

Originally posted by Helious
As we have been slowly getting used to violations since the patriot act and witnessed the obvious violations of the 4th amendment by the TSA, "Safety Checks" or roadblocks if you wan't to be honest about it and now we are told there will be Constitution free zones which will affect more Americans that not, we are left to wonder how else they are starting to compile data, surveillance and intel that we are not aware of in direct violation of our freedoms.

The 4th amendment stops unreasonable searches and seizures. Reasonable searches are not violations of the 4th amendment.

"there will be Constitution free zones" wtf are you talking about?

the NDAA doesn't actually allow the indefinite detention of Americans, like CTs keep saying.

I really don't see how you can make the claim our rights are eroding.


Do you read the news? CONSTITUTION FREE ZONE

The NDAA does actually allow the indefinite detention of Americans. And yes, the POTUS can authorize you be killed with a drone if it is decided you are an eminent threat to the United States and are deemed to be "affiliated" with a "terrorist" group. Without due process of law. If you dispute this, show me why your right.

You really can't see how our rights are eroding? Well, thats too bad for you isn't it. Continue on!



posted on Feb, 16 2013 @ 08:48 PM
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A revolution/civil war needs leaders. Who has the guts to step up and say "Follow Me"

ATS keyboard warriors?..............


There will be no revolution; there may however be a coup from inside but usually you just trade one tyrant for another.

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posted on Feb, 16 2013 @ 08:49 PM
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Originally posted by olaru12
reply to post by Helious
 


A revolution/civil war needs leaders. Who has the guts to step up and say "Follow Me"

ATS keyboard warriors?..............




No, a revolution doesn't need a leader to start, only to finish. They would emerge, make no mistake.



posted on Feb, 16 2013 @ 08:54 PM
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Originally posted by Helious

Originally posted by olaru12
reply to post by Helious
 


A revolution/civil war needs leaders. Who has the guts to step up and say "Follow Me"

ATS keyboard warriors?..............




No, a revolution doesn't need a leader to start, only to finish. They would emerge, make no mistake.


Then it would be a cluster **** destined to be an armed mob looking for scapegoats, easily taken care of by tptb.
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posted on Feb, 16 2013 @ 09:01 PM
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Interesting to see what comes out of the woodwork when dissatisfaction with the current system is proposed along with action to change it. You'd almost think the naysayers who make internet posts to discredit this are actually plants hired by the CIA/NSA/DHS to subvert any attempts to inform people to regain the peoples' control of the government.

I think it's a foregone conclusion that rights have been torn to shreds and anybody who can't see that probably doesn't need or deserve any civil liberties. You'd think that a democratic election process in a constitutional republic would be able to contain a tyranny, but that's obviously not happening. There's larger forces at work. I don't believe that even the president is fully aware or at least in control of what's driving the show.



posted on Feb, 16 2013 @ 09:03 PM
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Originally posted by olaru12

Originally posted by Helious

Originally posted by olaru12
reply to post by Helious
 


A revolution/civil war needs leaders. Who has the guts to step up and say "Follow Me"

ATS keyboard warriors?..............




No, a revolution doesn't need a leader to start, only to finish. They would emerge, make no mistake.


Then it wouldn't be a cluster **** destined to be an armed mob looking for scapegoats, easily taken care of by tptb.


I guess that is the difference in thinking between people who see things clearly and people that take these conversations as some sort of joke.

What it would be to begin with is isolated pockets of resistance to federal law and the enforcement of such, as momentum grew, it would become community wide, then county wide, law enforcement would begin to take sides as their personal families and friends became involved. State leaders would be then forced to choose allegiance and little by little the "movement" would gain legitimacy.

As military personnel both active and reserved were called in there would be those on both sides of the fence and people would defect, not all but some. Veterans would start to actively organize and communicate and structure would most likely start to take shape. Borders would start to be outlined and many people would be killed. As the fog of war spread, the likely scenario of foreign intervention on behalf of the current US government would almost be inevitable and once we had foreign boots on the ground, it is reasonable to assume that we would see even more defection of US troops coming over to the peoples defense.

Yes, it would be a cluster but it is just as likely to be dis jointed and chaotic for the government as it would the people and in any scenario the loss of life and atrocity would be more than unbearable.
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posted on Feb, 16 2013 @ 09:11 PM
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Originally posted by Helious

Originally posted by Ghost375

Originally posted by Helious
As we have been slowly getting used to violations since the patriot act and witnessed the obvious violations of the 4th amendment by the TSA, "Safety Checks" or roadblocks if you wan't to be honest about it and now we are told there will be Constitution free zones which will affect more Americans that not, we are left to wonder how else they are starting to compile data, surveillance and intel that we are not aware of in direct violation of our freedoms.

The 4th amendment stops unreasonable searches and seizures. Reasonable searches are not violations of the 4th amendment.

"there will be Constitution free zones" wtf are you talking about?

the NDAA doesn't actually allow the indefinite detention of Americans, like CTs keep saying.

I really don't see how you can make the claim our rights are eroding.


Do you read the news? CONSTITUTION FREE ZONE

The NDAA does actually allow the indefinite detention of Americans. And yes, the POTUS can authorize you be killed with a drone if it is decided you are an eminent threat to the United States and are deemed to be "affiliated" with a "terrorist" group. Without due process of law. If you dispute this, show me why your right.

You really can't see how our rights are eroding? Well, thats too bad for you isn't it. Continue on!

First off, your tone is boorish. You aren't going to get many people who don't already believe you to join your cause talking like that.

Why they aren't really constitution free zones. That "Constitution Free zones" isn't really true. What was really going on was misrepresented by the ACLU. The ACLU has been considered a joke for some time now.

No, the NDAA does not allow it. I don't care how many times it's said on this site. It's just not true.



“requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.”

What people who actually have read the bill, and still believe the nonsense say about this clause, is that since they didn't say they can't detain the person, that means this bill gives them that authority. It's asinine logic.

The Constitution grants the government the right to "quell insurrections." If you leave the country, and take up arms against America, the government does have the constitutional right to kill you. Is the precedent capable of being abused? Sure. But the fact remains that the way it is currently being done is completely constitutional. With how much hate the Republicans have for Obama, don't you think they'd impeach him if he had done something unconstitutional?



posted on Feb, 16 2013 @ 09:12 PM
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I agree if anything every American should be asking why, why do my elected officials want to infringe my rights after taking and spending my money? Is it really in my best interest?



posted on Feb, 16 2013 @ 09:15 PM
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If any part of the government decides to make you disappear, it isn't that hard. Rights only apply so long as you are an innocent citizen. As soon as they have charged you, even with suspicion, you are fresh meat for all the government agents that care to drop a bomb on you.



posted on Feb, 16 2013 @ 09:24 PM
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Originally posted by AfterInfinity

As soon as they have charged you, even with suspicion, you are fresh meat for all the government agents that care to drop a bomb on you.


You really believe they're going to start dropping bombs on people's houses here in America?
Nothing is impossible, but some things are so highly unlikely that discussing it seriously is ridiculous.



posted on Feb, 16 2013 @ 09:27 PM
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Originally posted by byGRACE
I agree if anything every American should be asking why, why do my elected officials want to infringe my rights after taking and spending my money? Is it really in my best interest?


Interesting. Shocking. And true.

Americans have a justifiable need to be extremely alarmed at whats going on now and what has been happening very recently.


Puzzle pieces coming together...




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posted on Feb, 16 2013 @ 09:30 PM
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First off, your tone is boorish. You aren't going to get many people who don't already believe you to join your cause talking like that.


My tone was probably boorish because yours was ignorant. Replying with "Constitution free zones, wtf are you talking about" was probably a poor choice of words when a simple google search would have revealed that I'm not a loose talking idiot and there was merit behind what I said. It's not my job to educate everyone on Earth about current events. I didn't ask or force you to comment on this thread and if you were going to do so, you should have educated yourself a little more before you asked me "wtf I was talking about". Boorish indeed.




Why they aren't really constitution free zones. That "Constitution Free zones" isn't really true. What was really going on was misrepresented by the ACLU. The ACLU has been considered a joke for some time now.


Are you Obama now? Are you going to tell me that the majority of Americans have definitely decided that the ACLU is a joke and has been for some time now? Are you going to further tell me that they don't already have checkpoints that violate your 4th amendment rights? How about in Arizona, where a dog can signal your car or they can just say it did and then pull you into secondary and pretty much do whatever they want to you. Do you think that isn't already happening?

Can you tell me in your own words why the ACLU is full of it and how it's all being done for our own safety 100 miles away from the border. Will you then tell me that all the proper safe guards are in place and in no way would federal authorities ever misuse the legislation? It's good for us right, it's too keep us safe? There are legitimate reasons for doing so?




No, the NDAA does not allow it. I don't care how many times it's said on this site. It's just not true.


Please just stop. Your wrong. Either that or everyone else is America is wrong and your right. Which one is it?

Buisiness Insider

RT

Truth-Out.org

Huffington Post

Is the legality sketchy? Sure it is and the patriot act is supposed to be used to fight terrorists yet every day all across the country it is used to violate our rights and privacy. Drones were supposed to be used overseas for terrorists and we find them flying all over America now, the NDAA can be stated to be for whoever will seem less threatening to the people but it was already mis used before it's inception and it will only get worse.

Obama sued over indefinite detention and torture of Americans act



Take a read HERE



posted on Feb, 16 2013 @ 09:35 PM
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Originally posted by olaru12
There will be no revolution; there may however be a coup from inside but usually you just trade one tyrant for another.





The first inside coup took place on November 22, 1963. The coup de grâce was also an inside job and was initiated on 9/11/2001.

Tyrants (gangsters by any other name) are running our country.



posted on Feb, 16 2013 @ 09:43 PM
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Originally posted by jcarpenter

Originally posted by olaru12
There will be no revolution; there may however be a coup from inside but usually you just trade one tyrant for another.





The first inside coup took place on November 22, 1963. The coup de grâce was also an inside job and was initiated on 9/11/2001.

Tyrants (gangsters by any other name) are running our country.





That my friend is exactly when the second coup took place, 9/11/2001 that is the date you can point too when our government become rogue and lost legitimacy. From that till this, they have been biding their time and entrenching with over reaching laws that only serve one purpose. To protect their positions of power when the time came where more people knew the truth than were in the dark.





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