The true story of my hippy friend, his guitar and a small UFO., page 5

reply to post by Mclaneinc

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To doubt them all would be stupid as would be to trust them all so we have to use our own choices on this and his was to trust it while you and me would be sceptical based on zero provability but it does not mean its untrue.

Well yah... yes , no, maybe?

reply to post by Philippines

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Ok, you must be right because you said it. There is no way this could be real because it is a story from a friend of a friend, and not a direct witness testimony because the testimony could be fake.

Right. its called here-say and innuendo. Not acceptable in a court of law, by itself.. Its eyewitness testimony, plus evidence and corroboration combined together that allow a court (or jurors) to make up their mind.

We are the jurors. I respect your opinion too. Just don't ask me to swear by it.

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Originally posted by intrptr
reply to post by Philippines

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Ok, you must be right because you said it. There is no way this could be real because it is a story from a friend of a friend, and not a direct witness testimony because the testimony could be fake.

Right. its called here-say and innuendo. Not acceptable in a court of law, by itself.. Its eyewitness testimony, plus evidence and corroboration combined together that allow a court (or jurors) to make up their mind.

We are the jurors. I respect your opinion too. Just don't ask me to swear by it.

Wow, tough crowd. I think this is the first time I have visited this forum. I didn't realize that if I had a casual UFO-sighting story to share I would have to present it here and defend it like in a court of law.

For me, if I was not being asked to alter my world-view over such an instance then for me it is not a matter of "believing" the story but just something to take, or not, at face value. If I were told here the orb suddeenly opened and a little gray man stepped out and began telling about some sort of inter-galaxial agenda then I might have to exercise a bit more consideration or require some kind of proof if it required action on my part. If there was a warning to stay away from the beaches on a particular day, and if I had no pressing engagements there I might opt for an afternoon at the mall instead.

I myself have seen some seemingly very strange paranormal stuff in my time so really don't care to label someone a liar or crazed lunatic because they claim to have seen something unusual. That would be counter-productive for me as I find it interesting to hear these stories and don't wish to discourage their telling.

If this had occurred here where I live I might have heard the other observer shouting something sounding like, "¡Obney! ¡Obney! as they would be most commonly known as OVNI's here, which stands for, I believe, Objeto Volando No Identificado - "volando" means "flying" and I believe the rest can be deciphered by anyone easily enough. This was not meant to stereotype anyone, just for information as these objects have some other designations over the world. Many non-English speakers also use the term UFO, even here at times, and a fairly common pronunciation would sound like, "Oo-fo." No shame in speaking a different language, and not a stereotype slam to expect them to pronounce words as they do in their native tongue. "UFO" is a term carried into a variety of other world languages to describe these sightings.

I will just keep my UFBP story to myself as Uncannily Floating Bowling Pins may be a bit off-topic and extremely difficult to offer proof for here.

reply to post by Erongaricuaro

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Wow, tough crowd. I think this is the first time I have visited this forum. I didn't realize that if I had a casual UFO-sighting story to share I would have to present it here and defend it like in a court of law.

Cheers! It is a tough crowd here but I've grown to love that on ATS... and I think most people have been great and defended me against a couple of people who should know better... and that has been nice to see the support.

So if you have a story just make sure you write it up well and send it into the arena! As long as you are true to yourself there are many on here to offer support on most topics.

reply to post by Erongaricuaro

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If this had occurred here where I live I might have heard the other observer shouting something sounding like, "¡Obney! ¡Obney!

Thats part of the story I beg to differ with. I have been in a group of people all of us observing something and all I remember hearing is, "What is that?"

That is the expected reply. At the time of observation one is speechless, mesmerized, seemingly fixated and very quiet. At the moment of incredulity, then some speak... not to claim they know, only exclaim there dumbfounded-ment or surprise and wonderment. It is that compelling. Believe me, I know.

Only after the sighting ended did we all look at each other in jaw drop amazement and no one wanted to be the first to claim anything and maybe look the fool. It was more along the lines of explaining what it could have been and only after every avenue was exhausted and some arguing. Then it was, what couldn't it have been?

We want to believe that something out of this world is really our imagination or some misunderstanding. Back and forth. Back and forth. Then the corroborative process begins. What did you see? What do you think it was? And most stay silent or state that they don't know. Not one of us voiced the opinion we all secretly shared, knowing the response would be ridicule... "What, are you crazy?"

Thats real world.

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Originally posted by Druscilla
reply to post by manmental

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Please, then, edit your story to drop the whole "Sam does a better impression", as well as dropping the racial-ethno sterotype of yelling "ooo-fo", instead of simply making the statement that another student (nationality and ethnic heritage unspecified), very exited, started jumping up and down yelling and pointing about the "ufo".

When you start talking about doing impressions, and going out of your way to fill in or perpetuate racially/ethic stereotypes, including accents, you're being racially and culturally insensitive regardless of whether you think you are or are not.

If you don't understand this, then, I feel very sad for you.

edit:

... on the ricter scale of cultural sensitivity and manners, doing accents and impressions as you've described on top of going out of one's way to mention the cultural origin of a character, is a few steps above talking loudly and slowly in rudeness and insensitivity to someone not of your own cultural heritage.

I mean, what's next?
Are you going to show us how black people act and sound when they see a UFO?

edit on 16-2-2013 by Druscilla because: (no reason given)

I would tell the story the way it happened, and if I felt that my friend who witnessed it did a better job of reenacting what HAPPENED, I would say so. It wouldn't matter to me if it was a black person, an Asian, a white hillbilly, or a homosexual. I would say it the way it happened, and if somebody pronounced a word in a way that I thought sounded funny, I would mention it if it was impressionable and a part of the story that happened. You can think something sounds funny without thinking any less of the person who said it. It's possible to do that.

Bravo to the op for not filtering the story to make it "politically correct". Tell it like it is, and call em how you see em. Some of us realize that you meant no disrespect, and I personally hold no grudge over the fact that maybe, just maybe, you don't scour the web upon waking each morning in order to determine what changes in your behavior you might have to make today in order to make sure that nobody is offended.

And I'm sorry to the ats membership that my other posts had to be removed... But just to clarify, I said that she "came off SOUNDING LIKE a bitch", not that she was one. I seriously don't see why they can't just remove the offensive or off topic part of a post...they do the SNIP with swears all the time! And if my whole post was off topic, then, so was the post I was replying to. It would have to be, right?

Originally posted by intrptr
reply to post by Erongaricuaro

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If this had occurred here where I live I might have heard the other observer shouting something sounding like, "¡Obney! ¡Obney!

Thats part of the story I beg to differ with. I have been in a group of people all of us observing something and all I remember hearing is, "What is that?"

That is the expected reply. At the time of observation one is speechless, mesmerized, seemingly fixated and very quiet. At the moment of incredulity, then some speak... not to claim they know, only exclaim there dumbfounded-ment or surprise and wonderment. It is that compelling. Believe me, I know.

Only after the sighting ended did we all look at each other in jaw drop amazement and no one wanted to be the first to claim anything and maybe look the fool. It was more along the lines of explaining what it could have been and only after every avenue was exhausted and some arguing. Then it was, what couldn't it have been?

We want to believe that something out of this world is really our imagination or some misunderstanding. Back and forth. Back and forth. Then the corroborative process begins. What did you see? What do you think it was? And most stay silent or state that they don't know. Not one of us voiced the opinion we all secretly shared, knowing the response would be ridicule... "What, are you crazy?"

Thats real world.

Right and everybody is the exact same. And if something doesn't happen exactly the way it happened to you, including speech, conversational mechanics, and social stigmas, then that's reason enough to believe it didn't happen.

That's it. I'm outta here. It's gettin a little too deep and I didn't bring my hip waders. Although scuba gear might be a little more appropriate, given the sheer amount of bs being shoveled into this thread by some.

reply to post by 3n19m470

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Right and everybody is the exact same.

No... unlike the OP, I am a first hand witness.
Thats one difference.

And that is why you don't find my experience in a thread. Because even though it really happened, it is still just here-say. Thats another difference. I know that. And don't really care what others think. I balance my debunking with my own viewpoint so people understand where I am coming from.

I compare other experiences to my own because I am still wanting to know what it was I saw too. Thats why I come to ATS. Once you have heard me enough you will know that I don't call fake on everything that I respond too. There are a lot of good cases out there. A lot have been brought to ATS and I am on some of them trying to figure out whats really going on. Are you still there?

Originally posted by intrptr
reply to post by 3n19m470

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Right and everybody is the exact same.

No... unlike the OP, I am a first hand witness.
Thats one difference.

And that is why you don't find my experience in a thread. Because even though it really happened, it is still just here-say. Thats another difference. I know that. And don't really care what others think. I balance my debunking with my own viewpoint so people understand where I am coming from.

I compare other experiences to my own because I am still wanting to know what it was I saw too. Thats why I come to ATS. Once you have heard me enough you will know that I don't call fake on everything that I respond too. There are a lot of good cases out there. A lot have been brought to ATS and I am on some of them trying to figure out whats really going on. Are you still there?

It's ok, we know your "experience" is fake and not real anyways. Apparently you also don't care what others think.

You are balancing your "debunking" by comparing other possible experiences to your fake experience, so that means every other possible ET encounter is fake.

You still never answered my question about your non UFO. But since your experience is also not real, you probably never saw any object that was flying and unidentified.

Lets knock off the bickering and return to the topic. Posting Bans will follow if this continues.


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