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Has Satan Taken Over The Vatican, Is The End of Times Near?

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posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 05:12 PM
Ignatius Loyola was a Spanish soldier, and he was wounded in a battle between the French and the Spanish. His leg was shattered. Well, the french general, because Loyola was very brave in conflict, ordered his own doctors to attend Loyola. So they set the leg and sent him back to his home. He was royalty to the Counsel of Loyola, a city in Spain, in the area of the Basques. This is were he derived his last name from.

History tells us Loyola, through his strong desire to regain his leg, which had healed improperly, made a rack where he would stretch the leg suffering severe pain while trying to get it back to normal shape. He had it re-broken, again, a couple of times but it still did not heal properly, so he had a perpetual limp. He could no longer court women as they would have nothing to do with him. For a count this was a terrible blow and as a result, he went into this depression. It was while in this depression that he had a distorted vision of the saints and he wrote his "Spiritual Exercises". It is these same Spiritual Exercises that all Jesuits must go through to this day as initiation to a certain level. Most Jesuits never know of these sacred invocations.

Understand that, as is the same in any assembly regardless of the type, whether it is clergy in a Protestant church or government in a country or even a boy scout club, those who are at the top know far more about what the group is all about than those at the bottom. Thousands have joined cults around the globe as innocent as babes only to find out months or years or, for many, never, that they are in a cult. It is no different with the Jesuits. Free Masons are a perfect example of this. They are always recruiting new members who don't have a clue of what they are joining until it is to late. To move from one level to another there are initiations that are often very demonic in nature. They are sworn to secrecy as they move up the ranks. In one such initiation a friend of mine explained that his friend had to do the unthinkable to a male goat as his initiation. My friend was weeping as he told me this the very day his friend told him about it.

The piece below was taken from the book Subterranean Rome by Charles Didier, translated from the French and published in New York in 1843. Dr. Alberto Rivera escaped from the Jesuit Order in 1967, and he describes his Jesuit oath in exactly the same way as it appears in this book. After reading this, ask yourself the question: Is this REALLY the church of Jesus Christ???

Take note that the first part of this oath is declaring what the candidate has already accomplished and that the second declares what he will do in the future. It is obvious that this candidate must already be deeply brainwashed by this so called Christian religion before reaching the level we are speaking of.


"When a Jesuit of the minor rank is to be elevated to command, he is conducted into the Chapel of the Convent of the Order, where there are only three others present, the principal or Superior standing in front of the altar. On either side stands a monk, one of whom holds a banner of yellow and white, which are the Papal colors, and the other a black banner with a dagger and red cross above a skull and crossbones, with the word INRI, and below them the words IUSTUM, NECAR, REGES, IMPIOUS. The meaning of which is: It is just to exterminate or annihilate impious or heretical Kings, Governments, or Rulers.

Upon the floor is a red cross at which the candidate kneels. The Superior hands him a small black crucifix, which he takes in his left hand and presses to his heart, and the Superior at the same time presents to him a dagger, which he grasps by the blade and holds the point against his heart, the Superior still holding it by the hilt, and thus addresses the candidate:"

Superior speaks:

My son, heretofore you have been taught to act the dissembler: among Roman Catholics to be a Roman Catholic, and to be a spy even among your own brethren; to believe no man, to trust no man. Among the Reformers, to be a Reformer; among the Huguenots, to be a Huguenot; among the Calvinists, to be a Calvinist; among other Protestants, generally to be a Protestant, and obtaining their confidence, to seek even to preach from their pulpits, and to denounce with all the vehemence in your nature our Holy Religion and the Pope; and even to descend so low as to become a Jew among Jews, that you might be enabled to gather together all information for the benefit of your Order as a faithful soldier of the Pope.


posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 05:14 PM
You have been taught your duty as a spy, to gather all statistics, facts and information in your power from every source; to ingratiate yourself into the confidence of the family circle of Protestants and heretics of every class and character, as well as that of the merchant, the banker, the lawyer, among the schools and universities, in parliaments and legislatures, and the judiciaries and councils of state, and to be all things to all men, for the Pope's sake, whose servants we are unto death.

You have received all your instructions heretofore as a novice, a neophyte, and have served as co-adjurer, confessor and priest, but you have not yet been invested with all that is necessary to command in the Army of Loyola in the service of the Pope. You must serve the proper time as the instrument and executioner as directed by your superiors; for none can command here who has not consecrated his labors with the blood of the heretic; for "without the shedding of blood no man can be saved." Therefore, to fit yourself for your work and make your own salvation sure, you will, in addition to your former oath of obedience to your order and allegiance to the Pope, repeat after me---

The Extreme Oath of the Jesuits:

"1, ____ now, in the presence of Almighty God, the Blessed Virgin Mary, the blessed Michael the Archangel, the blessed St. John the Baptist, the holy Apostles St. Peter and St. Paul and all the saints and sacred hosts of heaven, and to you, my ghostly father, the Superior General of the Society of Jesus, founded by St. Ignatius Loyola in the Pontificate of Paul the Third, and continued to the present, do by the womb of the virgin, the matrix of God, and the rod of Jesus Christ, declare and swear, that his holiness the Pope is Christ's Vice-regent and is the true and only head of the Catholic or Universal Church throughout the earth; and that by virtue of the keys of binding and loosing, given to his Holiness by my Savior, Jesus Christ, he hath power to depose heretical kings, princes, states, commonwealths and governments, all being illegal without his sacred confirmation and that they may safely be destroyed. Therefore, to the utmost of my power I shall and will defend this doctrine of his Holiness' right and custom against all usurpers of the heretical or Protestant authority wherever, especially the Lutheran of Germany, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, and the now pretended authority and churches of England and Scotland, and branches of the same now established in Ireland and on the Continent of America and elsewhere; and all adherents in regard that they be usurped and heretical, opposing the sacred Mother Church of Rome. I do now renounce and disown any allegiance as due to any heretical king, prince or state named Protestants or Liberals, or obedience to any of the laws, magistrates or officers.

I do further declare that the doctrine of the churches of England and Scotland, of the Calvinists, Huguenots and others of the name Protestants or Liberals to be damnable and they themselves damned who will not forsake the same.

I do further declare, that I will help, assist, and advise all or any of his Holiness' agents in any place wherever I shall be, in Switzerland, Germany, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, England, Ireland or America, or in any other Kingdom or territory I shall come to, and do my uttermost to extirpate the heretical Protestants or Liberals' doctrines and to destroy all their pretended powers, regal or otherwise.

I do further promise and declare, that notwithstanding I am dispensed with, to assume my religion heretical, for the propaganda of the Mother Church's interest, to keep secret and private all her agents' counsels from time to time, as they may entrust me and not to divulge, directly or indirectly, by word, writing or circumstance whatever; but to execute all that shall be proposed, given in charge or discovered unto me, by you, my ghostly father, or any of this sacred covenant.

I do further promise and declare, that I will have no opinion or will of my own, or any mental reservation whatever, even as a corpse or cadaver (perinde ac cadaver), but will unhesitatingly obey each and every command that I may receive from my superiors in the Militia of the Pope and of Jesus Christ.

That I may go to any part of the world withersoever I may be sent, to the frozen regions of the North, the burning sands of the desert of Africa, or the jungles of India, to the centers of civilization of Europe, or to the wild haunts of the barbarous savages of America, without murmuring or repining, and will be submissive in all things whatsoever communicated to me.


posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 05:14 PM
I furthermore promise and declare that I will, when opportunity present, make and wage relentless war, secretly or openly, against all heretics, Protestants and Liberals, as I am directed to do, to extirpate and exterminate them from the face of the whole earth; and that I will spare neither age, sex or condition; and that I will hang, waste, boil, flay, strangle and bury alive these infamous heretics, rip up the stomachs and wombs of their women and crush their infants' heads against the walls, in order to annihilate forever their execrable race. That when the same cannot be done openly, I will secretly use the poisoned cup, the strangulating cord, the steel of the poniard or the leaden bullet, regardless of the honor, rank, dignity, or authority of the person or persons, whatever may be their condition in life, either public or private, as I at any time may be directed so to do by any agent of the Pope or Superior of the Brotherhood of the Holy Faith, of the Society of Jesus.

In confirmation of which, I hereby dedicate my life, my soul and all my corporal powers, and with this dagger which I now receive, I will subscribe my name written in my own blood, in testimony thereof; and should I prove false or weaken in my determination, may my brethren and fellow soldiers of the Militia of the Pope cut off my hands and my feet, and my throat from ear to ear, my belly opened and sulfur burned therein, with all the punishment that can be inflicted upon me on earth and my soul be tortured by demons in an eternal hell forever!

All of which, I, ____, do swear by the Blessed Trinity and blessed Sacraments, which I am now to receive, to perform and on my part to keep inviolable; and do call all the heavenly and glorious host of heaven to witness the blessed Sacrament of the Eucharist, and witness the same further with my name written and with the point of this dagger dipped in my own blood and sealed in the face of this holy covenant."

(He receives the wafer from the Superior and writes his name with the point of his dagger dipped in his own blood taken from over his heart.)

Superior speaks:

"You will now rise to your feet and I will instruct you in the Catechism necessary to make yourself known to any member of the Society of Jesus belonging to this rank.

In the first place, you, as a Brother Jesuit, will with another mutually make the ordinary sign of the cross as any ordinary Roman Catholic would; then one cross his wrists, the palms of his hands open, and the other in answer crosses his feet, one above the other; the first points with forefinger of the right hand to the center of the palm of the left, the other with the forefinger of the left hand points to the center of the palm of the right; the first then with his right hand makes a circle around his head, touching it; the other then with the forefinger of his left hand touches the left side of his body just below his heart; the first then with his right hand draws it across the throat of the other, and the latter then with a dagger down the stomach and abdomen of the first. The first then says Iustum; and the other answers Necar; the first Reges. The other answers Impious." (The meaning of which has already been explained.) "The first will then present a small piece of paper folded in a peculiar manner, four times, which the other will cut longitudinally and on opening the name Jesu will be found written upon the head and arms of a cross three times. You will then give and receive with him the following questions and answers:

posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 05:15 PM
Question —From whither do you come?

Answer — The Holy faith.

Q. —Whom do you serve?

A. —The Holy Father at Rome, the Pope, and the Roman Catholic Church Universal throughout the world.

Q. —Who commands you?

A. —The Successor of St. Ignatius Loyola, the founder of the Society of Jesus or the Soldiers of Jesus Christ.

Q. —Who received you?

A. —A venerable man in white hair.

Q. —How?

A. —With a naked dagger, I kneeling upon the cross beneath the banners of the Pope and of our sacred order.

Q. —Did you take an oath?

A. —I did, to destroy heretics and their governments and rulers, and to spare neither age, sex nor condition. To be as a corpse without any opinion or will of my own, but to implicitly obey my Superiors in all things without hesitation of murmuring.

Q. —Will you do that?

A. —I will.

Q. —How do you travel?

A. —In the bark of Peter the fisherman.

Q. —Whither do you travel?

A. —To the four quarters of the globe.

Q. —For what purpose?

A. —To obey the orders of my general and Superiors and execute the will of the Pope and faithfully fulfill the conditions of my oaths.

Q. —Go ye, then, into all the world and take possession of all lands in the name of the Pope. He who will not accept him as the Vicar of Jesus and his Vice-regent on earth, let him be accursed and exterminated."


After reading the above, if you wish more information you can visit.

Here is a list of the Jesuit Generals known by media as the "Black Popes" since conception;

(1)— Ignatius LIEola (1541-1556).
(2)— Diego Lainez (1558-1565).
(3)— Francis Borgia (1565-1572).
(4)— Everard Mercurian (1573-1580).
(5)— Claudius Aquaviva (1581-1615).
(6)— Mutius Vitelleschi (1615-1645).
(7)— Vincent Caraffa (1646-1649).
(8)— Francis Piccolomini (1649-1651).
(9)— Alexander Gottifredi (1652-1652).
(10)— Goswin Nickel (1652-1664).
(11)— John Paul Oliva (1664-1681).
(12)— Charles de Noyelle (1682-1686).
(13)— Thyrsus Gonzalez de Santella (1687-1705).
(14)— Michelangelo Tamburnini (1706-1730)
(15)— Francis Retz (1730-1750).
(16)— Ignatius Visconti (1751-1755).
(17)— Aloysius Centurione (1755-1757).
(18)— Lorenzo Ricci (1758-1775).
(19)— Thaddeus Brzozowski (1805-1820).
(20)— Luigi Fortis (1820-1829).
(21)— Jan Roothaan1829-1853).
(22)— Peter Beckx (1853-1887).
(23)— Antonio Maria Anderledy (1887-1892).
(24)— Luis Martin (1892-1906).
(25)— Franz Xavier Wernz (1906-1914).
(26)— Wlodimir Ledochowski (1915-1942).
(27)— Jean-Baptiste Janssens (1946-1964).
(28)— Pedro Arrupe (1965-1983).
(29)— Peter-Hans Kolvenbach (1983 to2008).
(30)— Adolfo Nicolás (2008----).

posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 05:19 PM
reply to post by AfterInfinity

your quote:

Oh, I understand alright...we fight dictators and totalitarianism for all our mortal lives only to fall in love with authoritarian rule when we die. We should get to choose a different fate and not be punished for it, if we so desire. But no, we can't have that. So much for free will...our will is only free if it coincides with his! It's his way or the highway...highway to hell!

Mark 10: 43-45

43 But so shall it not be among you: but whosoever will be great among you, shall be your minister:
44 And whosoever of you will be the chiefest, shall be servant of all.
45 For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

think more about this ^^^^^ there's no greater love... and yet, you do not understand it ... one day you will ( I hope) as I hope and pray to understand everyday ...

Remember You are also a children of God...

Mathew 11: 28-30

28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

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posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 05:20 PM
The history of these generals is littered with intrigue, murder, assassins, war mongering etc. etc.

Not all of the White Popes have been all bad in the past. Some have tried to abolish the Jesuit General and his army but ended up assassinated.

From its conception the purpose of the Jesuit order has been to place the Pope in Jerusalem to reign as Christ from there. It appears that they will get their wish very soon.

I am not bashing the Catholic Church. That is the job of other so called Christian religions. I am simply crying out to those that are still involved with her to come out while there is still time. In Revelation 18 Jesus said, "come out of her my children."

The church did not die for your sins. Jesus did. It is to the true Jesus that we owe our lives. The false churches, and there are many, are actually our worst enemy. It is a false church who will persecute the true Christians most in the final hour because true Christians will not hold hands with the devils. That does not mean that any so called Christian who refuses to join the Dragon is a true Christian. There are many false Christ's out here. True Christians are those who are in obedience to GOD's word. I might be one of them. That is for you to judge. Yes, judge me. I have nothing to hide. I would rather you judge me here than that I should stand before Jesus and be judged and found wanting. We must all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

I must speak more about this Harlot later as God intends that she be destroyed. This is one entity that will not enter into the next millennium.

For this post to even exist proves that Satan exists and that Jesus is Lord. Unless you are in total denial. Then there are so many other prophecies of entities in our world today.

Islam, The 10 full nations of the EU, Turkey trying to join the EU as a full member, the first of many Islamic EU members, Oboma and his Islamic roots....

Comon guys!

posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 05:52 PM
reply to post by Murgatroid

in support of your quote:

Proof of this is the fact that it does exactly the opposite of what it is supposed to do Religion LIES, HATES, & KILLS... These fruits tell us that God is NOT the one behind it. But this is the stealth agenda behind a facade that tells us WHO actually IS behind it. The true agenda behind Religion is to HIDE the truth. The entire NWO agenda revolves around removing God by creating mass hatred through false religion. The elite created religion as a Mind Control tool with a hidden agenda that revolves around permanently separating us from God. Religion is the greatest enemy of God, because it is Satan's greatest deception.


13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

Mathews 23:13

does give the answer, yet I think Mathews 23 gives more insight to it. I will quote some more:

1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
2 Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,
6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.
8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

and thread related, this (especially v.38)

33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

the chapter deserves to be read fully

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posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 06:08 PM
As for is the end of time hear: we need a 7 year covenant according to Daniel 9:27. In Matew 24:15 Jesus said when you see the abomination spoken of by Daniel standing where it ought not....
The abomination is set up 2300 days after the covenant is made.

We have a 7 year covenant as of Jan 1st, 2007. It is the EPNI

Qote from site, "The European Neighbourhood and Partnership Instrument (ENPI) supports the European Neighbourhood Policy (ENP). Operational since 1 January 2007, "

Down on that page:

How much money is available?

The ENPI has a financial envelope of €11.2 billion for the period 2007-2013, which represents an increase of 32%, in real terms, compared with the amount available over the period 2000-2006 for the MEDA and TACIS programmes. This budget is allocated as follows:

This is from Jan 1st 2007 to Dec 31st, 2013. 2300 days from Jan 1st 2007 brings us to April 17th, 2013. The last 3 1/2 years should begin on this date., so yes, we are in the time of the end.

posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 06:21 PM
reply to post by Lucid Lunacy

That is a very fair question however I think you will be disappointed by the answer.

I will do nothing, I will probably spend quite a lot of time observing the next man sitting in the seat of peter but I doubt that I will actively do anything. I will probably have some degree of apprehension but as interesting as I find these prophecies I also know their weaknesses and as such I do take this all with a pinch of salt. My reason for writing this OP was not to do with me believing that Satan had or is about to take over the holly church but rather out of interest.

If the prophecy was to come true as I have outlined in the OP then there is very little I can do about it other than pray, but I pray anyway. If the world does come crashing to an apocalyptic end and the final judgement of man come to pass then it is in the hands of God. It will be out of my hands I can only hope for the best.

posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 07:16 PM
reply to post by cwhjra

Thank you cwhjra! Wonderful thoughts and new informations. I actually did read your every word. Not only that, when I saw content i opened both pages to keep it safe, since I had very important (to me) informations deleted here on forum so i was thinking will somebody delete this ones before i read it

So in short, Jesuits are working for few centuries to get their man in place of power. That time could be now, and after that new world religion based on aliens who are appearing as our genetic ancestors (but they are not).

So real danger should be from accepting false genetic ancestors? Or should i say satan from out of space

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posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 07:38 PM
reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin

That is a very fair question however I think you will be disappointed by the answer.

No disappointment. I was really just curious

If the prophecy was to come true as I have outlined in the OP then there is very little I can do about it other than pray, but I pray anyway. If the world does come crashing to an apocalyptic end and the final judgement of man come to pass then it is in the hands of God. It will be out of my hands I can only hope for the best.

Fair enough. However there is always grabbing a bunch of guns and swords and protecting friends and family in the interim, and possibly converting them to said faith before said judgement
I mean that's what I would do. If Satan was here and I believed I knew which religion would lead me to god's good grace. For now I will remain a non-believer, but I will continue to read peoples posts on the matter

posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 08:02 PM
reply to post by undo

It isn't meant to be "pretty", but of the truth as I see it, from my point of view, from my studies.

When you say, "its not what it says". We disagree. Its ok.... I am not arguing your pov at all, just showing you a different view to interpret scripture.

My post to you was in regards to knowledge and the opposite thereof.

To be in opposition of knowledge is to be ignorant. Thats how I see it.

When you are experiencing through free will, there is a choice.

Your setup began with Adam and Eve, and procreation and that is what I was referencing, not Genesis.

Evil, in my opinion is for a purpose. Everything that has been created has been created by God.

Evil, in my opinion is ignorance.

So, when someone asks , "Has Satan taken over the Vatican"? I would answer ... YES! They are ignorant. The church as a whole is also ignorant in my opinion and it has been this way since the very beginning because the foundation on which it was built was not a solid and faithful one.

As soon as they formed a religion based on ignorance, taxed people, giving to the rich... it was over.

posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 08:09 PM

Originally posted by Minori
Pope Benedict resigning brought to mind when Pontius Pillate "washed his hands" in the prosecution of Jesus.

Matthew 27:24
So when Pilate saw that he was gaining nothing, but rather that a riot was beginning, he took water and washed his hands before the crowd, saying, “I am innocent of this man’s blood; see to it yourselves.

Could the renouncement of his role in the Vatican tie in with the fall of the church?
When Pilate "washed his hands" the outcome led to the death of Jesus.
Benedict " washing his hands" the outcome the fall of the church, the rise of the beast.



Have not thought of that. Its possible!

posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 08:32 PM
reply to post by cwhjra

Very very interesting. Your information reminds me of verses that Paul states... how false brethren infiltrate the churches to spy on them..... Something to keep an eye out for.

posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 09:12 PM
reply to post by cwhjra

I went back thru and starred every one of your posts. I have a short comment and but one question.

YOU ARE A MANIAC ! And I mean that in a good way.


posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 09:30 PM

Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by cwhjra

I went back thru and starred every one of your posts. I have a short comment and but one question.

YOU ARE A MANIAC ! And I mean that in a good way.


Not so fast with the rewards...


Plagiarizer maybe?

posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 09:42 PM
reply to post by ausername

All is possible but if you look it's the same username "CWHJr". So more like shared.

posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 09:44 PM

Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by ausername

All is possible but if you look it's the same username "CWHJr". So more like shared.

I hope you're right, it was a slightly interesting read.

posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 09:48 PM

Originally posted by Youareallschizophrenic
reply to post by spy66

I see a world of Corruption... all by mans own hand. I do not lay the blame at some Invisible EVIL.
There is no point in arguing with one such as you and others that Believe in a LIE.
The brainwashing is too ingrained and just keeps getting passed to the next generation.

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Pay attention. There is no lie. We are being lied to by the Catholic Church. We have been educated to have a specific view, opinion and understanding of religion. You can see the lie that is being preached by the Church, but that is were your understanding stops.

posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 09:49 PM
reply to post by MamaJ

ahh, well, i just wanted to dispel the notion that the text originally had anything to do with knowledge being magic, or knowledge being spiritual or knowledge being scientific. it was about knowledge of each other's bodies in a sexual way -- admiring their nudity and so forth, when prior to the procreation addition, they were not sexual and thus knew each other in a less intimate way and probably weren't the least bit effected by nudity. doesn't mean they didn't have some other ability to share thoughts or something, but they didn't create new adam by procreating until they were given knowledge. that's why it says, "adam knew his wife and she gave birth." in that time frame, knowing someone, or having knowledge of someone, meant to have sex.

people have attached the concept of knowledge in genesis, to things like enlightenment and wisdom and ascended abilities. that's not what the serpent is about in those passages. the serpent is a sorcerer, a medicine man, in this case a geneticist modifying dna. he didn't give us increased intelligence or increased spiritual ability there. the serpent isn't a pen(is) either. he gave us procreative ability, when before that,
we were copied from the elohim source dna.

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