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Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin
Next time try replicating those results by leaving a loaded gun in the cafeteria of a supermax prison and tell my if the results are replicated.
That really serves to bolster the argument in the OP.
Leaving a gun in the cafeteria of a supermax prison full of criminals, one might fully expect the gun to be used to kill someone
It is the presence of a criminal operator that makes the gun an instrument of crime.
Originally posted by Lichter daraus
reply to post by Dnoir
I asked a question thats all. I wanna know IF your not from this country ,why it matters to you so much if we have guns or not.
Originally posted by purplemer
reply to post by seabag
Evidently I think you are arguing the same point as me. Violent crimes with guns happen in every country. But violent crimes with guns are lower in countries without guns...
Originally posted by Logos23
Originally posted by Lichter daraus
reply to post by Dnoir
I asked a question thats all. I wanna know IF your not from this country ,why it matters to you so much if we have guns or not.
As I pointed out previously....it's good sometimes to be able to learn something or gain a new perspective from different nation's or culture's. So sometime's it isn't just a case of someone poking in where they don't belong....they may actually be on a learning curve.
I had a much different view on the gun's debate when these thread's first started...but fortunately there have been a few people who have seen past the fact I don't live in the US first of all and been sensitive to the fact that through my debate's and question's I had a genuine desire to learn and be educated about an issue going on in the world...
And now you are going to accuse me of poking in where I don't belong because you didn't aim your question to me
I'm just trying to give a different perspective...
Originally posted by VitriolAndAngst
reply to post by Daedalus
While I agree that going overboard on "gun control" may not yield results. Some of the proposals are NOT that draconian. For instance; the NRA went ballistic about a proposal to limit the purchase of assault weapons to 2 per month.
And the Constitution has undergone changes -- it was never intended as "inviolate and perfect" -- for instance, your sacred "right to bear arms" is what is called an "amendment." And it is the "right to form an armed militia." Doesn't seem to include "guns for everyone not in a militia" -- but whatever. It's not anything I want to argue other than to point out you are saying that the "Constitution cannot be touched" -- and if that were true, you'd have no "right to bare arms" in the first place.
There is a lot of room for compromise here and I think a REASONABLE thing would be to add radioactive isotopes to bullets and newly forged guns. It would allow inexpensive scanners to reveal the presence of guns without causing schools and other cash strapped facilities to buy metal detectors and intrusively scan everyone entering.