Is plant intelligence under-rated?

reply to post by Wifibrains


I don't know if anyone has posted this yet but if this subject interests you you should read "The secret life of plants" Absolutely fascinating and potentially life changing! Also "Supernature" is a great read!

it could be, that plants think people move around to much, and have not mastered the art of sitting still.

reply to post by charlyv


omg i love what you just said star for you sir!!!

About plant sentience
I want to mention,

I've heard from some of my friend, (I live in a country where mysticism practice is rather dominant)
Some indigo people can speak to plants.
I interviewed a priest who often deal with Indigo people (he's also an indigo), and he said that the consciousness that those indigo talk with is not the same as the spirit that often resides at trees as the tropical people believe.

That's what I found and I personally think that plants have consciousness.

And to those vegans who said that plants doesn't have sentience,
*point gun
I dare you
I double dare you m**********!!

reply to post by Baddogma

Some of these mutations stretch the imagination... and belief in some intelligence behind these changes is not unreasonable. Lamarck had some ideas about this that I find interesting. Heck, so do the pagans.

I don't think it's unreasonable to think so either, but it boggles the mind when thinking about the how's and why's in this instance.

A lot of paganism stemmed from shamanic traditions, and even today, through chemically induced trances, they claim to be in contact with these "nature spirits" I'm kind of jiving towards with the questions posed in this thread.

Originally posted by Shema

Plant evolution sounds as nutty as a fruit cake to me. The only logical answer is intelligent design. There is a pattern to everything. Do patterns in Nature evolve or does evolution follow patterns? No! The evolutionists maintain evolution just 'happens' because they don't recognize an intelligence in Nature, how could they and remain honest?

I think they just leave out a whole demension of the process, and evolution is only half the truth. Change over time is evolution, but what causes the change is intelligent design, not trail and error, or accident.

reply to post by wiser3


Secret life of plants has already been recommended but I'll keep an eye out for supernature also. Thanks

I interviewed a priest who often deal with Indigo people (he's also an indigo), and he said that the consciousness that those indigo talk with is not the same as the spirit that often resides at trees as the tropical people believe.

reply to post by amatirbanget


Hmmm. Did he elaborate on that any more? I'm curious as to what he ment and who the different spirits are. Compartmentalisation's of the one great spirit ?

reply to post by Wifibrains


I used to study botany but changed majors....one of the coolest stories I heard was I think its the walnut tree that will submit a chemical (juglone?) that will literally poison other plants around it so they dont have to compete for resources.

Also check out the resurrection fern...I think that can be dead for years upon years then revive once you add water.

There was also a movie where the plants started killing humans by secreting some chemical to get them back on track....what is interesting is who says plants couldn't evolve to kill us...with the above mentioned juglone poison.

Ya plants are fascinating....now I wish I never changed my major lol.

reply to post by Wifibrains


Also, regarding plant intelligence, if it hasn't come up here yet, Jeremy Narby authored a book about how he thinks DNA communicates and tries to explain shamanic communication with spirits while he's at it. Good read. Cosmic Serpent is the title I think?

Trees are the oldest living beings on this planet, they are like gods to us, and they certainly have influence.

Think of them as giant masts for consciousness

I have read somewhere that '___' in plants mediator between itself and its environment. (the god molecule)

reply to post by TurboT


In some crazy, trippy. Pshycedelic way! I can actaully see that haha

It would greatly depend on your definition of intelligence. A lot of people THINK plants are not self aware, and therefore not intelligent beings. Basically, they assume they, as humans, are intelligent, thinking beings. What if they are not? What if every thought is the collective result of all external stimuli(ie, thoughts are implanted by the entirety of all things)?

What if it's our instincts that dominate the thought process? Could it really be considered thinking or intelligent at all?

Everything is wise beyond it's apparent measure. As we, and plants, at the most infinitesimal levels are made up of swirling atoms that give the illusion of solidarity, we are actually made up of EXACTLY the same stuff.

The only difference between things are the terms, connotations, and perceptions. Other than that, this is just all an illusive light show, showcasing the same thing in myriad forms(and if it's the same stuff in infinite forms, it is formless). What do I see no matter where I look? Objects that know everything they need to be.

In other words, omniscience.

reply to post by Wifibrains


Well i think that certain trees might have psychic influence over birds. I have a theory that involves spirituality. In that i find that birds could be controlled in synchronicity through the eating of their seeds. It programs a genome in birds that gives trees the hive mind ability. Like how a swarm of flies can move with hive mind. I believe that trees also have these abilities as well to degrees. Insects, not all of them will eat their seeds. Some will just burrow inside and eat the bark and nutrients. This is my theory, that spiritually the tree is using some form of bacterial or viral evolution it gained that allows them to do this. I think that some plants might also have the same effect on humans. For instance you eat an apple. And its programmed in you to love apples after a couple codes settle in. Just my thoughts on all this.

Originally posted by Ssenekil
It would greatly depend on your definition of intelligence. A lot of people THINK plants are not self aware, and therefore not intelligent beings. Basically, they assume they, as humans, are intelligent, thinking beings. What if they are not? What if every thought is the collective result of all external stimuli(ie, thoughts are implanted by the entirety of all things)?

What if it's our instincts that dominate the thought process? Could it really be considered thinking or intelligent at all?

Everything is wise beyond it's apparent measure. As we, and plants, at the most infinitesimal levels are made up of swirling atoms that give the illusion of solidarity, we are actually made up of EXACTLY the same stuff.

The only difference between things are the terms, connotations, and perceptions. Other than that, this is just all an illusive light show, showcasing the same thing in myriad forms(and if it's the same stuff in infinite forms, it is formless). What do I see no matter where I look? Objects that know everything they need to be.

In other words, omniscience.

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hmm thats a very interesting thought....

reply to post by CrypticSouthpaw


your post reminded me of a video game called mass effect and well theres this big psychic plant on this planet and it infected the colonists the way you described but via airborne spore anyways interesting thoughts cryptic

Great thread.

Coincidentally I was watching a program on the evolution of plants last night and I was fascinated particullarly in how they communicate with one another. One such method is warning each other of oncoming danger. An experiment was held with 3 plants, one of which was cut up with a pair of scissors. The plant 'under attack' proceeded to release a chemical or a gas which alerted surrounding plants enabling them to protect themselves. Mind blowing stuff.

Source

Originally posted by Wifibrains


A plant has no eyes? How does it know what a wasp/butterfly eggs look like and what colour they are?

A plant has no nose? How does it know what a wasp attracting a mate smells like?

A plant has no brain? How can it be so clever?

Plant intelligence, surly the plant must "think" and comunicate to its self along the lines of evolution to do these things. Or is it just natures purely harmonic ways, and nothing really to do with the plant?

Thoughts please?

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[color=cyan] the plant life or FLORA associated with a sphere is governed by the sphere it grows out of. So many of these attributes or abilities are related to the FLORAs direct connection to the sphere/planet it grows on. This helps the sphere to uphold the needs related t certain FAUNA that may be native to it or that has been placed on it. So to conclude the plant intelligence IS the intelligence of EA*RTH GIA energy.

NAMASTE*******
LOVE LIGHT ETERNIA

reply to post by Ophiuchus 13


This was exactly what I was trying to stir up, why do you think science denies this theory?

I think it has a lot to do with the way everything is compartmentalised and given its own area of study, the "specialist" fails to look outside of their degree.