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Originally posted by Logarock
Messiah closed out parts of the law that only he could fullfill, sacrifices/atonement ect i.e.
His meaning to Peter to "call no more unclean what I have made clean" was that He had now made atonement for all of man and here is where the door opens.
The rest of the law...thou shalt not ect....were confirmed by Paul in his writting on the law..."Is the Law good? In every way"
but we are no more justified by the law or justified by it as the Jews held themselves to be justifed by it.
Paul taught "the law of the spirit"...
and that even the gentiles in their natural spiritual condition understand the law...thou shalt not ect.
In history however the Jews as well as the other Hebrew tribes were justifed by faith, the faith of Abraham. Paul was simply going behind the law to show where the real foundation justification was palced. Even the Jews when arguing with Jesus, as they could not condemn by the law, went behind the law to Abraham to justify themselves but their justification was after the flesh, bloodlines and not by faith which was Abrahams real justification.
We are no more like the Exodus but as the prophet said.."In those days they shall no longer say blessed is the lord that brought us out of egypt but bless is the Lord that brought us out of the North country".
In the same way at one time exodus was a spritual meaning so now the return form our failure to keep the law and out condemnation and scattering do to this failure have come to an end and we are now restored out of that status as outcast.
Defame the nazerites. The nazerites were out of the loop and were as about as useless as tits on a bore at that point.
One offshoot of James' ministry were the Ebionites, a sect whose name derives from the Hebrew "ebionim" meaning 'the meek' or 'the poor'. They were the Jewish Christians, for whom Jesus was looked to by them with Messianic hope for their nation. They hoped that in Jesus they would realize the Messianic hope of Israel, but they held no beliefs that Jesus was some sort of 'Son of God' in some Greek way of thinking where he was "deity in the flesh." There is a big difference between "son of God" in Jewish understanding and "Son of God" in Gentile theology. They followed the Mosaic law with great zeal, and had their own "Gospel" known in various contexts as the 'Gospel of the Hebrews', 'Gospel of the Ebionites' or the 'Gospel of the Nazarenes'.
The Ebionite/Nazarene movement was made up of mostly Jewish/Israelite followers of John the Baptizer and later Jesus, who were concentrated in Palestine and surrounding regions and led by "James the Just" (the oldest brother of Jesus), and flourished between the years 30-80 C.E. They were zealous for the Torah and continued to walk in all the mitzvot (commandments) as enlightened by their Rabbi and Teacher, but accepted non-Jews into their fellowship on the basis of some version of the Noachide Laws (Acts 15 and 21).
The term Ebionite (from Hebrew 'Evyonim) means "Poor Ones" and was taken from the teachings of Jesus: "Blessed are you Poor Ones, for yours is the Kingdom of God" based on Isaiah 66:2 and other related texts that address a remnant group of faithful ones. Nazarene comes from the Hebrew word Netzer (drawn from Isaiah 11:1) and means "a Branch"—so the Nazarenes were the "Branchites" or followers of the one they believed to be the Branch. The term Nazarene was likely the one first used for these followers of Jesus, as evidenced by Acts 24:5 where Paul is called "the ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes."
Originally posted by Shimri
Egypt, not the north country, has always been a symbol of slavery and thus of sin to the people of Israel. Hence, the analogy works perfectly well, especially when you consider the time at which Yeshua's blood was shead.
Originally posted by windword
reply to post by Logarock
You have not made your point. Now you're just covering your eyes and ears and singing LALALA to yourself!
Jesus was an Essene Nazarite! There is no other way to look at it, in light of the evidence.
Oh yea. The same essenes you say kicked out John who Jesus called the greatest man ever born to a woman. And John never thought he was the christ. He always said "there is one comming after me". John never thought he was christ and the guy that said that needs to learn to read.
28 For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.
25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”
27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’[c]; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[d]”
28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”
1 Corinthians 5:11 King James Version (KJV)
11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
2 Thessalonians 3:10 King James Version (KJV) 10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
Matthew 6:14 King James Version
For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: 15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
Originally posted by SimonPeter
reply to post by windword
Those indictments against Paul are baseless.
You know it too! Your work is through here,
people know your works.
You laid your whole hand out when you said you did not believe Jesus was born of a virgin and died and was resurrected on the 3rd day . You stupidly ended any relevance you ever might have had in matters of Jesus or Paul with me or any other Christian . You may want to seek other work .