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Originally posted by mc4denmark
reply to post by EnochWasRight
By being not allowed to gain knowledge, you are being kept in the darkness. As such, your god kept Adam and eve in darkness, Satan gave them knowledge and therefor gave them enlightenment.edit on 16-2-2013 by mc4denmark because: (no reason given)
Satan gave the knowledge of good and evil. Subjectivity is what he gave us. Subjectivity makes you able to believe you are god. Good and evil are subjective. Knowledge is objective.
Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by smithjustinb
Satan gave the knowledge of good and evil. Subjectivity is what he gave us. Subjectivity makes you able to believe you are god. Good and evil are subjective. Knowledge is objective.
You just said the knowledge of good and evil is both subjective and objective. Which means Satan gave us subjectivity and objective truth. Is that not what you meant?
Originally posted by smithjustinb
reply to post by mc4denmark
Free will exists as an illusion. There are still choices to be made, but they are not made by you. Although it will seem like they are. That is the illusion. I chose none of this. I was born smack dab in the middle of a plan that I didn't make and yet I play along as if I've been playing since the beginning. What's more is I've believed that I made the plan. But I didn't. I just got here. I don't know how. I didn't sign up for it. But here I am and now I have to play along. Fear and love keep you in line.
There are two things I can do in this life: I think and I move. The quality of those two things produces the quality of my life. I can move to a new job, think good thoughts and love my family with purpose.
So really, you can't say for a fact that you are free and independent. As long as an omnipotent being with its own agenda lurks out there somewhere, you aren't safe. Your thoughts aren't safe. Your life is not safe. Nothing about you is safe. The moment he wants something from you, your say in the matter is nonexistent. You are a sacrifice waiting to happen. He's just kind enough to allow you the illusion of freedom until that moment when he decides that his desires are more important than yours.
It's a terrifying concept. And the worst part is, you can't prove me wrong.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by EnochWasRight
Which means free will is a myth?
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by EnochWasRight
Which means free will is a myth?
The veil is impenetrable. You cannot pierce it alone. You must enter in with the Shepherd. Two things cannot occupy the same space. Two must become one.
I choose to embrace the gift. I am not sufficient on my own to make it without help. We, who are many, must be one with God. It's the only way this can work. Pride keeps us apart.
It is true we cannot know. Studies have shown that a test subject making a choice will subconsciously make it 7 seconds before they make the choice. This show that it is possible we are not the ultimate chooser. There is a delay and our subconscious makes the decision before we perceive we have made it.
To be more accurate, yet no less unsettling I suppose, it would be like this:
Our conscious mind doesn't have free will, but our subconscious does
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by EnochWasRight
The veil is impenetrable. You cannot pierce it alone. You must enter in with the Shepherd. Two things cannot occupy the same space. Two must become one.
I would rather not enter strange territory with a biased party, especially when that biased party is particularly interested in convincing me to sell my soul for immortality. Especially when that biased party owes its allegiance to an almighty entity who would just as soon blast my type of personality as listen to it. Not until he shows me the respect I want. It's my soul - if he wants it, then he can do what I ask. I'm not unreasonable. But a soul is a huge request. If he can't discuss it with me, man to man, then I don't think he deserves to touch it.
I choose to embrace the gift. I am not sufficient on my own to make it without help. We, who are many, must be one with God. It's the only way this can work. Pride keeps us apart.
It's funny that this "God" dude keeps preaching about humility when he's the one who can't stand to be near anything impure. And he demands to be worshipped. And he holds his mistakes against us. And he refuses to come down from his great and glorious throne in the sky. And he can't share any of his power. You would think a father would want to spend time among his children, drink and laugh with them, hold their children, and be intimately known among his family. He wants to be known and remembered. But no. "God" has taken out a PPO on his children. Or at least, he treats us like untouchables.
"Yeah, I'll just give you instructions from way up here. If that doesn't work, I'll give it a few thousand yeas and try again."
If I was going to take lessons on humility, it wouldn't be from "God".
Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by EnochWasRight
It is true we cannot know. Studies have shown that a test subject making a choice will subconsciously make it 7 seconds before they make the choice. This show that it is possible we are not the ultimate chooser. There is a delay and our subconscious makes the decision before we perceive we have made it.
Our subconscious is part of us. We are not just our cognition. You can't discuss psychology and dismiss one.
To be more accurate, yet no less unsettling I suppose, it would be like this:
Our conscious mind doesn't have free will, but our subconscious does