NEWS: Bush Pushes Wrong Flu Vaccine to American People

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posted on Oct, 30 2004 @ 11:49 AM
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H5N1 bird flu is virulent, deadly and set to go epidemic world wide. The World Health Organization (WHO) declared a pandemic alert in February 2003, and the CDC routinely issues Enhanced Level Alerts for H5N1. An H5N1 vaccine was developed by April 2003 at St. Jude Children's Research Hospital in the USA. This fall, the H5N1 vaccine was provided to top level White House personnel, but the vaccines Bush is pushing to ordinary Americans do not immunize against H5N1 bird flu.


 



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From Newsweek’s “Bad Medicine?” transcript.

From Newsweek’s “Bad Medicine?” transcript.

“Geoffrey Cowley: The strains targeted by this year’s vaccine are A New Caledonian, A Fujian and B Shanghai. These viruses don’t differ sharply from the ones that have circulated during the past three seasons (they share the so-called H3 antigen), so there should be a fair amount of residual immunity in the population. A happy coincidence.”




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A happy coincidence? Excuse me? No one has any natural immunity to H5N1 bird flu. It’s a new strain that kills 70% of the people it infects, and it’s highly contagious. But the H5N1 vaccine is not included in the vaccines available to the American public? This is not a forgiveable oversight. “Up to one billion people could die around the whole world in six months,” says Dmitry Lvov, head of the Russian Virology Institute, “about 700,000 in the USA.”

Adding insult to injury, vaccine distributors and flu clinics in the USA are price-gouging across the board – for the wrong vaccine. In fact, drug manufacturers obviously are dumping old stock, with Bush’s blessing, if not his assistance.

The appearance of H5N1 bird flu is not a surprise. Scientists have been tracking its evolution since 1980 – and warning governments about it. H5N1 and other new flu strains are associated with a human disease called fibromuscular dysplasia (FMD). FMD first was acknowledged officially in 1938, in the USA. When researcher Dr. LM Julian discovered FMD in domestic turkeys in 1980, also in the USA, scientists knew the writing was on the wall.

Certain lines of research suggest that the 1918 ‘Spanish’ flu epidemic resulted from FMD’s first appearance, in turn linked to an accidental contamination of the world’s first mass vaccinations provided to American soldiers in World War I.

By 1996, FMD had spread to quail in Japan reported Drs. Braga, Tanaka and associates. By 1997, H5N1 bird flu appeared in humans. Since then, it has been bouncing back and forth between people and animals, mutating and becoming more virulent and contagious with each go round. By 2001, Dr. de Paiva of Brazil reported FMD pathology in avian reovirus – and helped explain how the disease mutates, evolves, and spreads.

Every epidemiologist in the world was screaming, “FIRE!” for the past 4 years. The WHO, the CDC, the Mayo Clinic – all sent urgent warnings. But the only way to make a killing was by dumping old stock. From the Enron fiasco to Halliburton, Iraq, and now the flu fiasco – Bush takes care of his corporate sponsors and buddies, and puts American lives on the line for profit.

All supervisors are judged by their results – from the night manager at the 7-11 to the Commander-in-Chief of the United States. Judging by the results of Bush’s decisions, he is at best incompetent and at worst, criminal.


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posted on Oct, 30 2004 @ 07:35 PM
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I'm sorry - I don't understand how drug manufacturers are dumping old stock. From the snopes article debunking the Edwards rumor:

Because a different flu vaccine is used each season, unsold doses cannot be saved and end up being destroyed (along with any potential profits).

Next, how is Bush "pushing" any type of vaccine to ordinary Americans?
And please explain your statement

But the H5N1 vaccine is not included in the vaccines available to the American public?

Why is this? Is this a decision that Bush made? I missed that part in your post.

Your statement

A happy coincidence? Excuse me? No one has any natural immunity to H5N1 bird flu. It’s a new strain that kills 70% of the people it infects, and it’s highly contagious.

is incongruous because Cowley does not make that claim; he says that he anticipated strains don't differ sharply from the ones that share the H3 antigen and have circulated the past three seasons.

And finally, how many countries immunize their citizenry against the H5N1 strain?




posted on Oct, 30 2004 @ 08:09 PM
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Well, Soficrow in another thread claimed that Bush was preventing research into developing medical treatments from stem cells, which is also untrue.

Soficrow, you need to read the articles you cite more carefully. "[H]umans appear to become infected through contact with chickens and other birds." "We've been lucky twice with H5N1--once in 1997 and once so far during this current outbreak--in not experiencing human-to-human transmission."

It isn't clear yet that H5N1 can spread from human to human, although there may be a recent case in Thailand. But the opening paragraph of your post makes it appear that the president is deliberately concealing a killer disease from the American public.

I agree that H5N1 bears close watching, and it has the potential to be very dangerous. But the president isn't stopping anything. In fact, given the amount of human testing that has to be done after a new vaccine is developed, this one seems like it's being fast-tracked. From the St. Jude press release from last April:


Webby's laboratory has sent the seed H5N1 vaccine to the Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta and the World Influenza Center in London for further testing, in preparation for initial Phase I and Phase II trials in humans. "It's important to move right along with these trials in case the virus begins spreading from person to person," Webster says.


Then, in March of this year, the WHO issued this release:


World Health Organization (WHO) experts said Monday a human vaccine for H5N1 bird flu will be available in six months.

Dr. Robert Webster, bird flu expert from the World Health Organization (WHO) Collaborating Laboratory on Influenza, said at a press conference that a human vaccine for the H5N1 bird flu virus is being studied and is expected to be available in six months' time.

As told by Webster, the vaccine is devised by using the technology of reverse genetics and is now ready for testing on humans. Once it is proved to be safe and effective in protecting human from H5N1 virus, the vaccine will be released for the public.


Let's see. Six months from March is...September. And September 21, 2004, the Dept. of Health & Human Services issued this press release:


HHS Orders Avian Flu Vaccine Doses As Preventive Measure

HHS Secretary Tommy G. Thompson announced today the awarding of a contract to Aventis Pasteur Inc. to manufacture and store 2 million doses of avian influenza H5N1 vaccine, an important initial acquisition to better prepare the nation for an influenza pandemic.

The vaccine that is being made is designed to match the H5N1 influenza virus that has killed 29 people in Thailand and Vietnam this year. If a pandemic of avian influenza virus H5N1 occurred in humans, the new vaccine would be used to protect laboratory workers, public health personnel, and, if needed, the general public.

"This is an important first step toward preparing our nation to respond to a pandemic influenza outbreak," Secretary Thompson said. "The reemergence of the avian flu in Asia this year is another sign that we have to develop and produce vaccines against the threat of a pandemic flu. The United States is the first nation to undertake this preventive measure on this scale."

The amount of the contract is nearly $13 million. The purchase of the new vaccine follows Secretary Thompson's announcement last month of the National Pandemic Influenza Response and Preparedness Plan, which outlines a coordinated national strategy to prepare for and respond to an influenza pandemic. The draft plan can be found online at www.hhs.gov... and is a result of years of work by the department.


So would you agree that the president and his administration are right on top of this critical health care issue?

And if so, will you vote for President Bush on Tuesday?



posted on Oct, 30 2004 @ 09:25 PM
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Originally posted by MrOtis
So would you agree that the president and his administration are right on top of this critical health care issue?






Absolutely not Mr. Otis. It's very clear the president and his administration are doing their darndest to bury the problem and profit from it at the same time.

...My response to jsobecky's questions....



FYI - I work with an Internet coalition of diagnosed fibromuscular dysplasia (FMD) survivors - we have been researching this disease and its various mutations for over 2 years and have 100's of gigs of medical files. The analysis above is based on the medical and scientific research.

Q. "I don't understand how drug manufacturers are dumping old stock. ...a different flu vaccine is used each season, unsold doses cannot be saved and end up being destroyed"

A. Flu viruses mutate, so a different vaccine is REQUIRED each season and unsold doses are NORMALLY destroyed - but not necessarily. ...This year, and with government help, manufacturers are dumping old vaccines on Americans that immunize against A New Caledonian, A Fujian and B Shanghai, none of which are a current threat. NO ONE manufactured these formulations for the current flu season - they're old. The clear and present danger is the deadly avian flu H5N1 strain.

H5N1 is a well known, long identified threat. "H5N1 has laid waste to poultry stocks across wide swathes of Asia but it doesn't restrict itself to chickens. People, pigs, dogs, domestic cats, tigers and leopards -- the virus has surprised experts by showing it can infect far afield without acquiring the non-avian genetic material once thought to be necessary for it to jump species."
www.canada.com...

Q. "How is Bush "pushing" any type of vaccine to ordinary Americans?"

A. Bush is propagating disinformation and 'neglecting' to inform Americans that available vaccines do NOT protect anyone against the real threat of H5N1 avian flu. He is helping manufacturers dump old stock.

Q. Did Bush make a decision not to protect the USA from avian flu H5V1?

A. Obviously. Bush was warned repeatedly that H5N1 is virulently contagious, deadly and about to go epidemic world wide - by the WHO, CDC, Mayo Clinic and every respected virologist and epidemiologist in the world. The H5N1 vaccine was developed in the USA in 2003. He had plenty of time to prepare, and deal with the problem. He gave the whole order to one good buddy late in the game, then chose to ignore warnings from Britain that contamination problems at Chiron's vaccine manufacturing plant were not fixed. If Britain had not stepped in and shut the plant down, Bush would have pushed the contaminated vaccines in America.

In fact, after hearing of Chiron's continued production problems in mid-September, Bush ordered only
2 million back-up doses on September 21, 2004 from Aventis-Pasteur. These vaccines are for the Bush band of chosen survivors.
www.hhs.gov...

Q. "Cowley ...says that the anticipated strains don't differ sharply from the ones that share the H3 antigen and have circulated the past three seasons."

A. Cowley does NOT say "anticipated strains" - he says "The strains *targeted* by this year’s vaccine ...don’t differ sharply from the ones that have circulated during the past three seasons (they share the so-called H3 antigen)."

In fact, avian flu H5N1 does NOT share the H3 antigen - it's an H5 antigen - so the strains targeted by US vaccines are the WRONG strains - which Cowley refrains from pointing out. The "anticipated strain" this year is the avian flu H5N1 virus - and is NOT included in the vaccines Bush now is pushing to ordinary Americans.

FYI - The two most dangerous flu strains are H5 and H7 strains - partly because they tend to be virulent, but also because it is very difficult to manufacture the vaccines. "H7 is one of two influenza subtypes -- H5 is the other -- for which it is particularly difficult to develop vaccines because they kill chicken embryos. Flu vaccines are grown in fertilized chicken eggs."
www.canada.com...

More proof that Bush does not care about ordinary Americans - only profits for his buddies - Despite the USA's desperate need for H5 and H7 flu vaccines, Bush just had his administration sign a contract with Chiron (!) to produce a vaccine for the H9N2 flu strain in it's Italian manufacturing plant.
www.onlypunjab.com...

MORE INFO - FYI

Travel Health Advisory - Avian Influenza A (H5N1) Activity in Asia - Human Cases Thailand
www.news.gc.ca...

A Sickness Spreads
www.time.com...

The Monster at the Door
www.commondreams.org...

CHARACTERISTICS OF SOME COMMON VIRUSES OF MAN
alpha.qmul.ac.uk/~ugbt110/viruses/ohpweek8.doc

Hope this helps. But that's it for me - I'm missing my movie!


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[edit on 30-10-2004 by soficrow]



posted on Nov, 1 2004 @ 07:48 PM
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IMPORTANT UPDATE:

The World Health Organization just called an unprecedented world summit for November 11 to deal with the H5V1 avian flu pandemic threat. Vaccines now available in the USA do not immunize for H5N1 avian flu. The size of the American population and the mobility of the nation's citizen's makes the USA particularly susceptible to contagious spread.


www.cidrap.umn.edu...

"We believe that we are closer to the next pandemic than we ever were," Stohr was quoted as saying in an interview yesterday, before he spoke at an American Society for Microbiology conference in Washington, DC.

H5N1 avian flu has infected poultry flocks across much of Southeast Asia this year and also infected 44 people, killing 32 of them.

"If we continue as we are now, there will be no vaccine available, let alone antivirals, when the next pandemic starts," Stohr said."


www.medicalnewstoday.com...
www.fftimes.com...
www.atsnn.com...



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posted on Nov, 1 2004 @ 08:51 PM
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I might as well add this.


From dailyrecord: WORLD FLU SUMMIT OVER EPIDEMIC FEAR

"WORLD health chiefs have called a crunch meeting amid fears that a deadly global outbreak of flu is set to strike.

The World Health Organisation is increasingly worried that a mutation of bird flu could kill millions across the planet.

Sixteen vaccine manufacturers and officials from several countries will attend the summit in Geneva, Switzerland next week.

Klaus Stohr , influenza chief of the UN health agency, yesterday warned: 'We believe that we are closer to the next pandemic than we ever were.'



posted on Nov, 1 2004 @ 09:53 PM
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it never ceases to amazing me how stupid some people are.....every one has known yet from the previous post they are just now meeting about it.....yet over 7 months ago bush caused it all....one line it's a brand new thing the next it's almost a hundred years old.....omg it is simply amazing.



posted on Nov, 1 2004 @ 10:47 PM
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Originally posted by keholmes
it never ceases to amazing me how stupid some people are.....every one has known yet from the previous post they are just now meeting about it.....yet over 7 months ago bush caused it all....one line it's a brand new thing the next it's almost a hundred years old.....omg it is simply amazing.


Keholmes, Bush did not cause it all........and if you think so you are giving him more power than he truly has. What is amazing is that people try to blame Bush for everything that is happening, just to further their own agendas, that's what is amazing...

Soficrow continues to make misinformed "opinions" on what Bush is doing and what he is not doing. He did misquote Bush on stem-cell research, and cloning, and he hid, or didn't know that adult stem-cell treatments have been more effective than embryonic stem-cell research.

All i have seen is that "soficrow" continues trying to push "his" opinion and propaganda on the serious issues we are facing today.

I did not see at the link soficrow gave any mention about "Bush was pushing one vaccine and stopping another".... that was entirely "soficrow's opinion."

BTW soficrow, what is clear is that it is "you" who "is trying their darnest to push anything around"....

[edit on 1-11-2004 by Muaddib]



posted on Nov, 1 2004 @ 11:06 PM
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Originally posted by soficrow

FYI - I work with an Internet coalition of diagnosed fibromuscular dysplasia (FMD) survivors - we have been researching this disease and its various mutations for over 2 years and have 100's of gigs of medical files. The analysis above is based on the medical and scientific research.

A. Flu viruses mutate, so a different vaccine is REQUIRED each season and unsold doses are NORMALLY destroyed - but not necessarily. ...This year, and with government help, manufacturers are dumping old vaccines on Americans that immunize against A New Caledonian, A Fujian and B Shanghai, none of which are a current threat. NO ONE manufactured these formulations for the current flu season - they're old. The clear and present danger is the deadly avian flu H5N1 strain.

H5N1 is a well known, long identified threat. "H5N1 has laid waste to poultry stocks across wide swathes of Asia but it doesn't restrict itself to chickens. People, pigs, dogs, domestic cats, tigers and leopards -- the virus has surprised experts by showing it can infect far afield without acquiring the non-avian genetic material once thought to be necessary for it to jump species."
www.canada.com...

Q. "How is Bush "pushing" any type of vaccine to ordinary Americans?"

A. Bush is propagating disinformation and 'neglecting' to inform Americans that available vaccines do NOT protect anyone against the real threat of H5N1 avian flu. He is helping manufacturers dump old stock.

Q. Did Bush make a decision not to protect the USA from avian flu H5V1?

A. Obviously. Bush was warned repeatedly that H5N1 is virulently contagious, deadly and about to go epidemic world wide - by the WHO, CDC, Mayo Clinic and every respected virologist and epidemiologist in the world. The H5N1 vaccine was developed in the USA in 2003. He had plenty of time to prepare, and deal with the problem. He gave the whole order to one good buddy late in the game, then chose to ignore warnings from Britain that contamination problems at Chiron's vaccine manufacturing plant were not fixed. If Britain had not stepped in and shut the plant down, Bush would have pushed the contaminated vaccines in America.

In fact, after hearing of Chiron's continued production problems in mid-September, Bush ordered only
2 million back-up doses on September 21, 2004 from Aventis-Pasteur. These vaccines are for the Bush band of chosen survivors.
www.hhs.gov...


FYI - The two most dangerous flu strains are H5 and H7 strains - partly because they tend to be virulent, but also because it is very difficult to manufacture the vaccines. "H7 is one of two influenza subtypes -- H5 is the other -- for which it is particularly difficult to develop vaccines because they kill chicken embryos. Flu vaccines are grown in fertilized chicken eggs."
www.canada.com...

More proof that Bush does not care about ordinary Americans - only profits for his buddies - Despite the USA's desperate need for H5 and H7 flu vaccines, Bush just had his administration sign a contract with Chiron (!) to produce a vaccine for the H9N2 flu strain in it's Italian manufacturing plant.
www.onlypunjab.com...

MORE INFO - FYI

Travel Health Advisory - Avian Influenza A (H5N1) Activity in Asia - Human Cases Thailand
www.news.gc.ca...

A Sickness Spreads
www.time.com...

The Monster at the Door
www.commondreams.org...

CHARACTERISTICS OF SOME COMMON VIRUSES OF MAN
alpha.qmul.ac.uk/~ugbt110/viruses/ohpweek8.doc.



[edit on 30-10-2004 by soficrow]



Maudib - if you honestly cared about the issues - you would read the references.



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posted on Nov, 1 2004 @ 11:59 PM
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Originally posted by Muaddib
Keholmes, Bush did not cause it all........and if you think so you are giving him more power than he truly has. What is amazing is that people try to blame Bush for everything that is happening, just to further their own agendas, that's what is amazing...
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That’s what I was trying to say....I guess I just got a little too worked up to make it that obvious. It’s just friggin silly that some mope tries to obfuscate real and serious problems to make a silly little political point. The previous post I referred to was the one just prior to mine wherein it appears that we as a nation are actually ahead of the world in preparation for this. Yet, bush is personally running down to the CDC and telling them how to set policy....what a load of crap.



posted on Nov, 2 2004 @ 12:00 AM
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Originally posted by soficrow

Maudib - if you honestly cared about the issues - you would read the references.
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Soficrow, you did not even make reference as to which kind of stem-cell is the one that is giving the most results, is years ahead in the research as compared to embryonic stem-cell, and is actually "helping people now...." which is the adult stem-cell.

Obviously, you are not looking at the results....



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posted on Nov, 2 2004 @ 12:04 AM
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Originally posted by keholmes
That’s what I was trying to say....I guess I just got a little too worked up to make it that obvious. It’s just friggin silly that some mope tries to obfuscate real and serious problems to make a silly little political point. The previous post I referred to was the one just prior to mine wherein it appears that we as a nation are actually ahead of the world in preparation for this. Yet, bush is personally running down to the CDC and telling them how to set policy....what a load of crap.


Ah my bad, i did not see you were making a sarcastic comment.

I agree with you, some people would try anything to further their own agendas and propaganda.



posted on Nov, 2 2004 @ 09:08 AM
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Originally posted by Muaddib

Originally posted by keholmes

I agree with you, some people would try anything to further their own agendas and propaganda.



I know about FMD because I am diagnosed with it. ...After a lifetime of episodic hell, I was diagnosed in 1990, given an angioplasty and told the disease was incurable but recurrences would be treatable.

...Guess what? It's not treatable. The disease causes stem cell mutations in connective tissue inside the blood and lymph vessel walls - then it spreads by cell-cell contact to smooth muscle. FYI smooth muscle cells can be 1500-odd feet long, and the same cell can wind through the body from head to foot several times. Also by cell-cell contact, it spreads to other connective tissue - in bone, joints, and more.

FMD can take decades to kill - but before it does, it wipes out the immune system and eats away systems and organs slowly, bit by piece. Someday, maybe soon, I will die quickly by stroke, heart attack, dissected artery or ruptured aneurysms. Or slowly by kidney failure. On the way I will have other 'problems' - I already have osteoarthritis (from destroyed joint tissue), COPD (destroyed lung tissue), fibromyalgia (destroyed muscle tissue), systemic pain amplification syndrome (nervous tissue in the process of being destroyed)... and the list goes on.

I waited for treatment - but the disease is now systemic and too widespread in my body to benefit from surgery. AFTER I cleaned out my savings, pensions and everything and went bankrupt, I found support on the Net and started researching FMD with a vengeance. ...I am only 52, a single mother with a 14-year-old daughter. I am too young to be disabled; I want to live and produce. But I can't, and you will support me because you will not support solutions.

....One of the first things I discovered is that FMD is epidemic in the USA - new cases are reported at an incidence rate of 1.7% per year, 1.1% diagnosed in autopsy. That translates to an average of 7,000 new cases in Americans diagnosed in autopsy every single DAY.

So do I have an agenda? You betcha. I want everyone to know about this disease - that it's transmitted through our food and water - and that its progression is radically speeded by drugs that shut down immune response and also, by contaminants in our food air and water.

I want everyone to know FMD is epidemic but invisible - and it can be prevented. But it's not, because letting it spread is just too profitable.

....So there you have it. My motivation and my agenda.

Your turn.



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posted on Nov, 2 2004 @ 09:22 AM
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I am expecting a series of extremely nasty pandemics to occur fairly soon, but my expectation is a consequence of prophecy, not anything "scientific", so take it for whatever it's worth.

I wonder if this is where it begins?



posted on Nov, 2 2004 @ 09:40 AM
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Originally posted by Majic

I wonder if this is where it begins?



No. It apparently began when the US military gave contaminated vaccine to all the foot soldiers going to the front in World War 1. This is where it ends.

....It's all about mutation and evolution. Scientists predicted what's happening now in the 1970's - and had the science nailed by the early 1980's. Bush policies radically accelerated the disease mutation and evolutionary process in the USA.

It can still be stopped, but there is no political commitment to do so. In fact, the whole thing looks like the culmination of the early Eugenics agenda.

(Angry and frustrated)



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posted on Nov, 2 2004 @ 12:56 PM
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My turn Soficrow?...

Soficrow, i am sorry for what you are going through, but giving fault to someone without presenting proof that this person is at fault, and just giving your biased opinion will not solve your problem.

Do you think that if Kerry wins all pollution, and all these problems are somehow going to dissapear and everything will be alright?

Did the pollution problem dissapear, and all people somehow got cured of all diseases with Clinton in office? Was anyone who had your problem cured by Clinton being in office?

If Kerry is elected, or if Badnavarik (however his name is spelled) or Nader is elected, the pollution problem will not dissapear, unless they completly shutdown the US and the world's infrastructure, and that would be worse. People are not going to be miracously cured if Kerry is elected, no matter how much you want it to be true.

---edited to correct mistakes---

[edit on 2-11-2004 by Muaddib]



posted on Nov, 2 2004 @ 02:08 PM
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Originally posted by Muaddib
My turn Soficrow?...

Do you think that if Kerry wins all pollution, and all these problems are somehow going to dissapear and everything will be alright?


[edit on 2-11-2004 by Muaddib]



I meant your turn re: Please put your agenda on the table.

I am writing sincerely to educate people about this disease, and the role of pollution in spreading it, and speeding its progression.

You are reducing everything to a cheerleader cattle call - and flooding the board to keep your spin at the top.

Whomever wins - I will continue fighting for the same things.



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posted on Nov, 2 2004 @ 02:09 PM
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Originally posted by Muaddib
My turn Soficrow?...

Do you think that if Kerry wins all pollution, and all these problems are somehow going to dissapear and everything will be alright?


[edit on 2-11-2004 by Muaddib]



I meant your turn re: Please put your agenda on the table.

I am writing sincerely to educate people about this disease, and the role of pollution in spreading it, and speeding its progression.

You are reducing everything to a cheerleader cattle call - and flooding the board to keep your spin at the top.

Whomever wins - I will continue fighting for the same things.



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posted on Nov, 2 2004 @ 02:21 PM
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Originally posted by soficrow

I meant your turn re: Please put your agenda on the table.

I am writing sincerely to educate people about this disease, and the role of pollution in spreading it, and speeding its progression.

You are reducing everything to a cheerleader cattle call - and flooding the board to keep your spin at the top.

Whomever wins - I will continue fighting for the same things.
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Soficrow, you are spinning this issue not me. According to you the Bush administration is the one that has been causing all these problems, so I ask you, did your problem stop/dissapear when Clinton was in office for 8 years? Was there no more pollution in the US or the world when Clinton was in office? Did any diseases stopped from spreading when Clinton was in office?.... Did FMD stopped from spreading under Clinton?

We can all see who is making a spin on this issue Soficrow, I have no agenda but to find the truth behind this.

Stop putting the blame on others unless you can prove it, without the obvious bias you try to keep pushing around, and with reliable "quoted" links that back up your argument.

I have not seen in any of the links that you are giving proof that the blame falls on Bush....


---edited to add more comments---

[edit on 2-11-2004 by Muaddib]



posted on Nov, 2 2004 @ 03:04 PM
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Originally posted by soficrow
H5N1 bird flu is virulent, deadly and set to go epidemic world wide. The World Health Organization (WHO) declared a pandemic alert in February 2003, and the CDC routinely issues Enhanced Level Alerts for H5N1. An H5N1 vaccine was developed by April 2003 at St. Jude Children's Research Hospital in the USA. This fall, the H5N1 vaccine was provided to top level White House personnel, but the vaccines Bush is pushing to ordinary Americans do not immunize against H5N1 bird flu.



Additional links:
www.cdc.gov...
www.mayoclinic.org...
www.guardian.co.uk...
www.atsnn.com...


Related News Links:
www.eurekalert.org
www.cdc.gov
www.cdc.gov
www.mosnews.com

Related AboveTopSecret.com Discussion Threads:
www.atsnn.com...
www.atsnn.com...
www.atsnn.com...
www.atsnn.com...


[edit on 30-10-2004 by Nerdling]



Maudib -

From the top - Bush dropped the ball. No way around it.

WHO declared the first pandemic alert in February of 2003. H5N1 avian flu was flagged as the coming scourge. The H5N1 vaccine was developed by April of 2003.

Bush decided to have ONE company, Chiron, manufacture the H5N1 vaccine for the USA. There were production problems. Bush let it slide. In September of 2004, the British warned Bush that the production problems were insurmountable. Bush ordered 2 million doses from Aventis-Pasteur - but did not seek to replace the order elsewhere.

When the Brits closed down the Chiron plant in October and refused to release the contaminated vaccines, Bush let drug companies push old vaccine stocks in America - at premium prices.

Now, partly because of the US crisis created by Bush's incompetence, the WHO has called an emergency summit on the coming flu pandemic - something that has never happened before. (That's what "unprecedented" means - never happened before.)

www.cidrap.umn.edu...

All this info is in the public domain. Many links are posted here. What part of the story is it that you don't understand?



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