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This is exactly why republican's shouldn't vote for Bush!

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posted on Nov, 1 2004 @ 05:38 PM
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if a picture is worth a thousand words, then thats all i have to say.




posted on Nov, 1 2004 @ 05:44 PM
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Bush doesn't believe in state's rights! In the 2000 elections, the Florida Supreme Court ordered a re-count.

The Federal Supreme court over-ruled that decision and told them to stop counting!

It was a state matter!

Bush=Big Government!



posted on Nov, 1 2004 @ 06:04 PM
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TrueLies, I wish that you would reconsider your tone so that your message would be better received. I agree that the world would be a boring place if everyone was the same, but at the same time, your message has some truth to it and you could benefit Badnarik and make a difference if you went about it with less hositility. I think you ARE trying to make a difference which I respect, but I don't respect the attitude and it ends up hurting your cause not helping it.

Out of curiosity, where was Badnarik the last 4 years? Why didn't he get more publicity? Why didn't he start early in his push to be included in the Presdential debates? Is there any way that the Libertarian party can do something over the next four years to get their party and candidate more in the spotlight?

Realistically there is no way that Badnarik can win this election and the stakes are too high so most people won't want to 'waste' their vote on an unknown. But you have 4 years where you can get to work so that during the next Presidential election the Libertarian candidate can actually have a chance of being elected. If you are as sincere and excited about this candidate and party as you seem I would encourage you to keep the momentum and not let anything stand in the way of making the Libertarian candidate in '08 have a REAL chance at being our next President.

Jemison



posted on Nov, 1 2004 @ 09:10 PM
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i dont think there will ever be a third party prez. most people are too closed minded and "stick with their guns" to elect a liberatarian or any third party cantidate. i think (for now at least) that third party cantidates are wasting votes because they never get more then .05% of the populations vote.(not real statistic, just exaggeration)

ps. the funny thing is im a registered green party voter.

even if you dont like him, vote kerry, we need a change. i dont think george bush is a bad man i just think hes not cut out to run any country, especialy the most powerful country on earth.



posted on Nov, 1 2004 @ 09:43 PM
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Question for the Libertarians out there. Don't alot of your ideals follow along the Republican line of thought? Are Libertarians also not for the enviroment? Don't they also believe they can do what they want with their land no matter who it affects or the animals and plants that live there? Are they also not for social programs that help the poor and less fortunate? These are just some of the things I have heard about Libertarians are they true? BTW I am not Republican or Democrat. I am more for a third party canidate that is for the enviroment and that is for the less fortunate people that live in this country. Although Ii did vote for Kerry, because I hate Bush and I know at this point in time no third party canidate has a chance of winning.



posted on Nov, 1 2004 @ 09:59 PM
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Originally posted by AntiPolitrix
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Wow, terrorism is an excuse? So 3,000 people being murdered isn't an issue? This is the exact thinking that allowed us to be attacked in the first place. Anyone who tries to make it sound like Osama and Al Qaeda are not a threat is the enemy. Americans need to wake up and realize terrorism is a real threat.


Americans need to wake up and realize 9/11 was an inside job.

I can't wait until that happens and all these neocon bastards are swinging from trees for their crimes.

It'll catch up to them.


kix

posted on Nov, 1 2004 @ 10:46 PM
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Originally posted by taibunsuu

Originally posted by AntiPolitrix
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Wow, terrorism is an excuse? So 3,000 people being murdered isn't an issue? This is the exact thinking that allowed us to be attacked in the first place. Anyone who tries to make it sound like Osama and Al Qaeda are not a threat is the enemy. Americans need to wake up and realize terrorism is a real threat.


Americans need to wake up and realize 9/11 was an inside job.

I can't wait until that happens and all these neocon bastards are swinging from trees for their crimes.

It'll catch up to them.


amen to that !!



posted on Nov, 1 2004 @ 10:57 PM
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one more thing.......
with patriot act.



posted on Nov, 2 2004 @ 03:03 AM
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Originally posted by Amuk

Originally posted by twitchy
Well, I'd support the third party, but when I saw the republican party was throwing them money and support, it didn't take a genius to figure that one out.


That is hogwash


The Republican party has NEVER supported the Libertarians, they would have been stupid to because we are fighting over the same voters.

Where did you get the info that they were supporting us?

[edit on 1-11-2004 by Amuk]

LOL sorry to disspoint you but yes they have. Are you so poorly informed that I need to elaborate on this? It was all over the national news.



posted on Nov, 2 2004 @ 03:36 AM
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Originally posted by twitchy

Originally posted by Amuk

Originally posted by twitchy
Well, I'd support the third party, but when I saw the republican party was throwing them money and support, it didn't take a genius to figure that one out.


That is hogwash


The Republican party has NEVER supported the Libertarians, they would have been stupid to because we are fighting over the same voters.

Where did you get the info that they were supporting us?

[edit on 1-11-2004 by Amuk]

LOL sorry to disspoint you but yes they have. Are you so poorly informed that I need to elaborate on this? It was all over the national news.


Well, elaborate away oh wise one. I've just done a search and found nothing to support your statement. I did however find a number of articles that say "the vast majority of Libertarians choose to support the Republican candidate." Libertarians are considered by many to be the far right. Many Libertarian votes would otherwise be Republican votes. I know that mine would be. I'm glad that I DO have a liberatarian option, because REPUBLICans seem to have lost the concept of what a REPUBLIC is.



posted on Nov, 2 2004 @ 03:52 AM
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Originally posted by Jemison
Realistically there is no way that Badnarik can win this election and the stakes are too high so most people won't want to 'waste' their vote on an unknown. But you have 4 years where you can get to work so that during the next Presidential election the Libertarian candidate can actually have a chance of being elected. If you are as sincere and excited about this candidate and party as you seem I would encourage you to keep the momentum and not let anything stand in the way of making the Libertarian candidate in '08 have a REAL chance at being our next President.


To most Libertarians voting either way is a wasted vote. That seems pretty clear from most of these posts. Also, there is little hope that the Libertarian candidate even has a chance in '08. Getting people to vote Libertarians into the senate would probably take decades, as in many states these candidates never make it onto the ballots. This is mostly because of massive suppression of third party candidates.

I think that the real idea is getting people to question the system and see both the Rep and Dem parties as two sides of the same old and tarnished coin. The only way to get that kind of recognition within a reasonable amount of time is by shooting straight for the presidency. As for bringing any real change... that would probably require an all out revolution of sorts. The aristocrats that run the two primary parties are never gonna let go without a fight... and probably a dirty fight at that.



posted on Nov, 2 2004 @ 04:55 AM
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Originally posted by veritas93
Well, elaborate away oh wise one.

Alrighty then.


www.freep.com...
GOP lends eager hand to Nader's Mich. effort
Michigan Republicans agree with Democrats that a vote for Ralph Nader for president is a vote for George W. Bush.
So Republicans are helping the independent gadfly by collecting signatures to put his name on the November ballot.


deseretnews.com...
Throckmorton, from Utah County, said two leading Republicans in his area publicly endorsed candidacies of non-Republicans. One said voters should cast a ballot for a Libertarian candidate, another formed a Republicans for Nancy Jane Woodside movement. Woodside was Chris Cannon's Democratic opponent in 2002.



www.alternet.org...
Noticing the petitioners were not handing out Nader brochures, pins, bumper stickers or information of any kind pertaining to his candidacy, Paul Suozzi, a UNM employee and supporter of Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry, said he "knew right away something fishy was going on." When Suozzi asked one of the petitioners if she was a Nader supporter the answer, he said, was no.
"They said they worked for a marketing firm with money coming from the Republican Party," Suozzi said. "I believe in forthright and frank presentation not this duplicity going on here."...According to UNM Student Services, last week a representative of Florida-based JSM Inc. a marketing firm with known ties to GOP donors and consultants that specializes in gathering petition signatures completed the "activity clearance form" to petition for Nader signatures on UNM's campus. At that time, the representative told Student Services' staff that she was working for the Republican Party.



www.abqtrib.com...
Ralph Nader is about to get a little help from some prominent New Mexico Republicans.
Today Sen. Rod Adair, a Roswell Republican and self-proclaimed friend of ballot choice, has asked thousands of readers of his regular e-mail newsletter to sign petitions to get Nader on New Mexico's ballot.



www.abqjournal.com...
Roswell Republican Senator trying to help get Nader on the Ballot



www.dailykos.com...
The petition collectors were working for a GOP outfit, and were collecting signatures for two high-profile ballot initiatives. One is the "Protect Arizona Now" initiative, which is an anti-immigrant effort. The other is an attempt to repeal Arizona's landmark Clean Elections Bill which provides for public financing of political campaigns.
The actual Nader petition did its best to fudge its purpose. The petitioners only said they were collecting signatures for an "independent candidate". The words "RALPH NADER" were buried in the petition page in 9pt font.



U.S. Newswire
June 26
PORTLAND, Ore.
Presidential candidate Ralph Nader is relying on support from right wing Republicans to qualify for the ballot in Oregon, a move demonstrating that his campaign is being used as tool by the GOP to hurt the presumptive Democratic candidate, Sen. John Kerry.



www.boston.com...
Major Bush fund-raiser donates to Nader campaign
Democrats see strategy as bid to hurt Kerry
By Anne E. Kornblut, Globe Staff | July 1, 2004
WASHINGTON -- Billionaire Richard J. Egan built his reputation in politics as a major donor and fund-raiser for the Bush campaign, steering hundreds of thousands of dollars into Republican coffers in recent years. But now it appears Egan and his relatives are bankrolling a new candidate: independent presidential contender Ralph Nader.



LA Times
Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington planned to file its complaint today with the Federal Election Commission. The group said the Oregon Family Council and Citizens for a Sound Economy violated election laws last week by telephoning people and urging them to help Nader get on Oregon's ballot in November. Sloan said she would name the Nader and Bush campaigns in her complaint because of reports that some Bush-Cheney volunteers had made similar calls from Bush campaign offices.
"If Bush-Cheney was soliciting those corporations to assist the Nader campaign, then that's a violation," she said.



www.foxnews.com...
Citizens for a Sound Economy say the votes Nader pulls from Kerry "could mean the difference in a razor-thin presidential election."

Shall I stop there or continue to cite the other 632 articles I have in my research folder on this subject?
Oh yeah and by the way...
www.foxnews.com...



posted on Nov, 2 2004 @ 11:44 AM
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NO reply eh? Wow what a suprise.
Yes the GOP supports the independents to suck votes from the Dems.



posted on Nov, 2 2004 @ 11:53 AM
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This thread is still going?

I think its a bit late.... This Proud Republican already voted for the right man...





posted on Nov, 2 2004 @ 11:56 AM
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Originally posted by TrueLies
It's about our country, it's about our freedoms...
By voting for Bush your advocating, bigger government, over spending, your advocating that it's ok for bush to wipe his stinky corrupt ass with the consitution by voting for him your letting them know you think it's ok...

The country isn't just one sided, there is second choice... And if their on the ballot in your state they count... GOD!!!

Mainstream politics indoctrinates the dummies of this country, i'm really starting to believe that...

Okay, TL, I sorta kinda agree with you.
BUT, no third party candidate will win this election. I know all the arguments for voting 3rd party, but in the end I HAVE to vote against the greater evil. In this case, scary kerry.

I did vote for EVERY local Libertarian on my ballot. I beleive you begin a solid run for a nationally strong third party with local wins.
Also, the presidnet is only so strong, we still have the othr two branches to offset his power



posted on Nov, 2 2004 @ 12:21 PM
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Originally posted by twitchy
NO reply eh? Wow what a suprise.
Yes the GOP supports the independents to suck votes from the Dems.


No reply? I've actually been offline getting a little something called sleep. You've shown your embracing of ignorance with those replies as we've been discussing the LIBERTARIAN party and not Nader or the freakin Green party. Nader and the Green party are socialist by nature thus taking democratic votes. You still haven't provided ANY proof that the Republican party supported ANY Libertarian candidate EVER. Sheesh. Don't talk smack unless you can back it up


Edit:
Read your own second and third to last posts and you'll see what we're talking about here.

[edit on 2-11-2004 by veritas93]

[edit on 2-11-2004 by veritas93]



posted on Nov, 2 2004 @ 01:47 PM
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Originally posted by DontTreadOnMe

Okay, TL, I sorta kinda agree with you.
BUT, no third party candidate will win this election. I know all the arguments for voting 3rd party, but in the end I HAVE to vote against the greater evil. In this case, scary kerry.

I did vote for EVERY local Libertarian on my ballot. I beleive you begin a solid run for a nationally strong third party with local wins.
Also, the presidnet is only so strong, we still have the othr two branches to offset his power



Hi, DTOM,

I'm happy you at least voted libertarian..

I also just want to point out that every vote counts... They say it on mainstream media networks ALL THE TIME...

And so I repeat: Every vote does count, even if you are voting Libertarian.

If he's on the ballot he counts... Your vote would of helped the numbers in Michigan..

It counts...

Maybe in 08.



posted on Nov, 2 2004 @ 01:53 PM
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Originally posted by twitchy
Shall I stop there or continue to cite the other 632 articles I have in my research folder on this subject?
Oh yeah and by the way...


ROTFLMAO

Nader is Independent Badnark is OUR guy

Are you so ill informed you dont even know what freaking PARTY you are talking about?

Go ahead and post the rest of them show EVERYONE just how smart and informed you are

again

ROTFLMAO


I am SO glad you took the time to inform us


[edit on 2-11-2004 by Amuk]



posted on Nov, 2 2004 @ 01:55 PM
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Originally posted by DontTreadOnMe
...but in the end I HAVE to vote against the greater evil. In this case, scary kerry.


The idea of voting for the lesser of two evils is as frightening to me as anything else... especially when you can vote for someone who might not be evil at all. Isn't it strange that most of those who consider themselves to be part of a third party don't vote for their candidates for the very reason you've posted here? Makes me think of an old anti-littering commercial that showed one person throwing some trash out of their window while saying... "I'm just one person... how can I make a difference?" Then the camera zoomed out to show millions of people saying the exact same thing. It's a shame.



posted on Nov, 2 2004 @ 02:16 PM
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Originally posted by twitchy
NO reply eh? Wow what a suprise.
Yes the GOP supports the independents to suck votes from the Dems.



I replied now its your turn

Come on, genius post some links


I am not suprisied


Maybe next time you will find out what you are talking about before you run your mouth



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