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Originally posted by kimish
Thought provoking.
I'm ready for chapter 2.
Originally posted by Byrd
reply to post by Spider879
You seem to be mixing artifacts from vastly different time periods and trying to connect them, and not connecting trade and war excursions into the area by various peoples. For instance, the skull necklace you show on Bes is not actually part of his official iconography -- depending on the time period, it may be an actual head, or other things (I have seen, but can't verify its reliability) a statue with an ankh necklace. I'm a tad suspicious of that one, but I can say that the Bes you have shown is not as typical as some of the other statues.
The Blue Nile and White Nile areas did include the great Kingdom of Kush, and Egypt spent a lot of time battling over who owned the lands around and below Meroe (first cataract.)
(BTW... I did have a look at the Wikipedia article on Bes, and the current incarnation of the article is not well sourced and seems to be making some unwarranted assumptions. TourEgypt seems to have more reliable links and information.) Some of your sources seem to be attempting to rewrite the history and archaeology of the area (particularly the observations about skeletal material. Anyone can look at the bones online and see for themselves (after going to Bone Clones and looking up what skull features distinguishes different genetic groups)edit on 17-2-2013 by Byrd because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by LUXUS
reply to post by Spider879
In Scientific work people do not refer to "black" or "white" people, rather they use the term Negro (singular) Negroids (Plural), Caucasian (singular) Caucasoids (plural)....are you saying its racist to use the term Negroids now?
edit on 17-2-2013 by LUXUS because: (no reason given)
The DNA Tribes results are interesting, but may hinge upon a few marker values that are more prevalent in Africa than in Eurasia. Also, it is not clear which population(s) make up the "North African" group. It would be interesting to extract full genome sequences from Egyptian mummies in order to properly place them in the global genetic landscape.
Hopefully, the debate on the genetic identity of the ancient Egyptians can proceed on the basis of new data, although I am not holding my breath that this will happen anytime soon, both because of the fluid state of politics in Egypt itself, the existence of various fringe theories outside of Egypt, and, the rather controversial state of mummy DNA analysis itself.
Originally posted by Spider879
reply to post by punkinworks10
now one has to ask oneself if it were any other group of people on this planet making such claims would a genetic test even be necessary.
Originally posted by LUXUS
Originally posted by Spider879
reply to post by punkinworks10
now one has to ask oneself if it were any other group of people on this planet making such claims would a genetic test even be necessary.
Yes it would be necessary because you see you have the Egyptians in Egypt who say they are the ancestors of the ancient egyptians and then you have other Africans such as west Africans and sub-Saharan, although to be honest its mainly African Americans who are making the biggest claim!
Personally I don't believe Sub-Saharan or west Africans have a thing to do with ancient Egypt...just wishful thinking!