Unnecessary Police Brutality Caught on Camera in Florida as Man Surrenders

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posted on Feb, 15 2013 @ 06:38 AM
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I wonder if cops are getting more aggressive because of all these police killings and may be now even the cops are becoming paranoid.


So they should be paranoid, we are sick to hell of these thugs with badges. It's time to fight back in numbers just like they do. If they fark up we go get em and slap their face with a warning, don't do it again.




posted on Feb, 15 2013 @ 07:10 AM
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I’m surprised more people are not shocked that we have people on the police force so, for a lack of a better word dumb. That they do this in front of a camera they know is there and recording them. We’ve all seen videos like this over the years so they’re not learning, heck seems like we’re seeing more of them every year. You would think they would learn not to do this, at least not in front of a camera.



posted on Feb, 15 2013 @ 07:14 AM
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I'm inclined to believe that real men have no interest in becoming cops...All we see and hear about are cowards who can get an opportunity to show to show some toughness, as long as there is a gun or a taser or other cops at their disposal...

I knew a couple of weasels who became cops...One even became a Lieutenant of his 3 or 4 man police force of a small town...



posted on Feb, 15 2013 @ 07:35 AM
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While working privet security I've learned there are some really bad cops out there. But there are good ones still on the force, that still just want to help. But a lot of them are lost in the system. The good cops follow the rules and do things by the books which means it takes the five times longer to do a little good, where a bad cop isn't following the rules already and can do a lot of harm no time flat.

I've learned I can't judge a cop as a cop you have to judge them as a person like everyone else.



posted on Feb, 15 2013 @ 07:51 AM
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Yeah, this guy took some licks but didn't have any broken bones, internal bleeding or anything like that as far as I can tell. His mug shot didn't show any blood or black eyes.

Fact is a young man with drugs on him led the police in a high speed chase (putting himself, the cops and the general public in danger) got arrested.

I've seen videos of someone "surrendering" with hands in the air who suddenly attacks...in one case the unsuspecting officer was shot with his own gun and left for dead. Every cop is shown multiple videos like this, or knows an officers was killed like this.

Now, did he "resist" arrest? Of course he did because he didn't follow the police orders...because there were conflicting orders given by two different adrenaline filled men who are trained to shout commands - people tend to respond to shouted commands more than polite requests. But once things escalate to this point I think it's impossible for anyone to follow all orders given to them.

Now the pot he had on him shouldn't be illegal in the first place, but that's another issue. As it stands pot is illegal and who knows what this guy would have done to avoid arrest.



posted on Feb, 15 2013 @ 08:02 AM
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Now you're just making crap up. Person in the video is not aggressive or attacking anyone.



posted on Feb, 15 2013 @ 08:11 AM
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What these cops fail to realize if this brutality continues is they themselves could become targets one day, sadly to say but thats probably what will happen.



posted on Feb, 15 2013 @ 08:46 AM
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From what I saw it is clearly excessive use of force. He got off the bike with hands in the air. The police had no reason to approach him at that point as they had weapons drawn and could have easily shot if he made any moves indicating an attack. The next thing that should have happened is to order him to turn around, get on his knees, hands behind his head. One officer keeps his weapon on the suspect while another approaches and conducts a search. These police officers were high on adrenaline and went on the attack. Unfottunately this is becoming more and more common these days. It has become a nation wide problem. It has come to the point in many communities that people will not call the police for fear that someone will ge hurt over what should be a minor issue.



posted on Feb, 15 2013 @ 08:48 AM
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God I don't know why I am going to post and torture myself. I always tell myself not to get involved in these threads. What can I say I am glutton for punishment.

I will start by saying I wasn't there so I don't know exactly what happened. You can only tell so much by a video. That being said here we go.

Obviously the police had probable cause for a felony arrest for fleeing and eluding. They finally get the guy stopped and tell him to go to the ground. He does put his hands up, but he does not go to the ground violating the officers lawful order. At that point the officer can legally take him to the ground. So he does. I am sorry but when you take someone to the ground it looks violent no matter how it's done.

Once on the ground the officer gives multiple commands for him to get on his stomach and give him his hands. Now this is where the video CANNOT help us. The defendant rolls or is rolled onto his stomach. At that point where are his hands? Are they under his stomach now? Is he not complying with the officers lawful command and giving him his hands for cuffing? If he is not giving the officer his hands he is resisting arrest. At that point an officer can escalate his use of force and strike the suspect to gain control of the suspects hands. Why can officer do that? Well first of all because the use of force matrix and case law says so. Second why is the suspect not giving up his hands? Is he trying to reach for a weapon in his waistband? Maybe, maybe not. As an officer you have to assume the worst.

So he continues to refuse the officers orders and does not give up his hands. That is when the other officers come in to assist. Most Monday morning quarterbacks will say three grown men should be able to grab someones hands out from under them with no problem. Really? Has anyone ever tried that? Do you know how hard it is to gain control of a resisting suspect? I would venture to say probably not.

So the officers continue to try and gain control of the defendants hands but are unable to with strikes. That is when the tazer is deployed which helps them finally gain control and cuff him.

As I said before the video cannot show if the defendant was truly resisting. Was he bracing, tensing, pulling in an effort to defeat the officers efforts to cuff him? Who knows? If not then of course this would be wrong on all levels and the officers need to be investigated.

Just because the defendant can be heard in the video saying "stop beating me, I'm not resisting" does not mean that he wasn't resisting. Criminals know what buzz words to say. They know how to play up a scenario to make it look super dramatic. Most of them are looking for a pay day.

Look all I am trying to say is police work is not pretty. It's not like Andy Griffith. Is there abuse happening? Absolutely and it is a disgrace.

Don't look at video evidence as 100% proof positive. Remember even if you think that this is a case of police brutality the officers are innocent until proven guilty. Oh wait I forgot, the fifth amendment does not apply to the police.
Flame suit on.
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posted on Feb, 15 2013 @ 09:07 AM
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Originally posted by TorqueyThePig
I will start by saying I wasn't there so I don't know exactly what happened. You can only tell so much by a video. That being said here we go.


There isn't anything that could be in the video that would justify the attack.



They finally get the guy stopped and tell him to go to the ground. He does put his hands up, but he does not go to the ground violating the officers lawful order.


Yes because human beings are equipped with magical teleportation devices that allow them to hit the ground in 0.0001 seconds.

Try again?



posted on Feb, 15 2013 @ 09:15 AM
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hrm i dunno, the "punch" doesnt really look like a punch and if it was it barely grazed him, looked more like he was turning his head and trying to shove him at same time. you can clearly see him struggling on the ground which is an instant idiot move , you have red and blue lights in front of you guess what, GAMES OVER GIVE UP


im always against police abuse, we trust them with our lives and more often than not it seems they are taking them more and more innocent or not just because it is easier than running after the person or they dont want to fight.

but shockingly, i dont believe this to be the case in this instant, and after your on ground and struggling still, well you deserved to be kicked heh.

he shoulda just laid down the minute he stoped, high speed chase, and he sits on the bike for like 30 seconds like the cops just gonna walk up and hand him a citation lol. f ing idiot



posted on Feb, 15 2013 @ 09:19 AM
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Right, that's how cop ares can be caught off guard. They are trained to treat anyone who challenges their authority as hostile and potentially dangerous. Otherwise they could end up dead.

The police have authority over civilians and people have to follow their lawful commands - once you challenge their authority you will be arrested one way or the other.

I'm not saying all that cops are perfect, or even good. Many are plain bad. But the ones that are doing their job correctly know that they have to maintain (or the appearance of) control over the general population at all times.

In that moment of stress/excitement/fear when dealing with an unknown they can get rough. The bad ones get criminally rough, but I don't think so in this case.

Police are not gifted with any insight of the future, no one would would bat an eye if this guy turned out to be a escaped, child molesting murderer. In fact they would be universally considered heroes for treating him the exact same way.
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posted on Feb, 15 2013 @ 09:19 AM
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The man had his hands up, when police attack you and start hitting you, it's a natural human reaction to resist or try to cover your body/face instead of putting your hands on your head. Even if he had his hands on his head they would still be hitting him based on this video. Good god.



posted on Feb, 15 2013 @ 09:30 AM
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The police didn't start to "immediately" hit the guy. How long did he ignore their orders to pull over? Once you show you're going to not comply the police will then make you comply ... you can't ignore them for a period of time and then finally say "Ok, I give up now!" and expect them to trust that you're a upstanding, honest person.

Being a police must like being a parent, only with a lots of rebelling children that may decide to kill you...every day.
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posted on Feb, 15 2013 @ 09:36 AM
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Of course if you assume something is an "attack" you are not going to see any justification for it. I believe I did offer an explanation in which this incident could be justified in my post. I am sure you read it. It's not my fault if you don't believe my explanation is justifiable.

The defendant had more than enough time to get on the ground. He ran from the cops so he knew he was going to be arrested. He finally stops and the cops pull in behind them, exit their vehicles and approach the suspect. Was that not plenty of time for the defendant to get on the ground? It was surely more than your estimated time of 0.0001 seconds. Try again?


Police work is life or death. 0.0001 seconds can mean the difference between life and death. Have you ever worked as an LEO? Have you ever been on a ride along?
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posted on Feb, 15 2013 @ 09:37 AM
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Yes they could end up dead because the dangerous man has surrendered and is holding his hands up in the air as ordered. Back in reality they could end up dead when they start to unnecassarily wrestle with a suspect giving him a change to reach for a weapon.
Police have been given certain powers which means they should be held to higher standards than civillians.

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So he should've ignored their orders to put his hands up? Did you even watch the video.
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posted on Feb, 15 2013 @ 09:41 AM
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So if a suspect holds his hands in the air signaling surrender it means he will comply all the time? It means that he has no intention of trying to catch the officer of guard then continue running or even try to gain the upper hand and pull a weapon?

Have you not seen any videos where the suspect stops, the cops pull in behind him and then the suspect flees again?

Come on man. An encounter like that can turn into a deadly situation in 0.0001 seconds with the complacency you are speaking of. I am glad your not my backup officer.



posted on Feb, 15 2013 @ 09:43 AM
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Could've should've would've. Hey lets allow the cops to shoot anyone. They could've had a weapon or something.



posted on Feb, 15 2013 @ 09:46 AM
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The officers shot the suspect in the video?! Hmm I must of missed that.
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posted on Feb, 15 2013 @ 09:48 AM
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I never said that. Reading comprehension?





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