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Is the Chicken Pox vaccine causing a shingles epidemic?

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posted on Feb, 14 2013 @ 11:50 AM
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I've always thought the Chicken Pox vaccine was a dumb idea. Chicken Pox used to be a common ailment in children, rarely serious and was seen as a right of passage that everybody had to go through in their lives. People even used to hold "pox parties" in order to infect their young ones when someone in the neighborhood came down with the pox.

Then Big Pharma stepped in and had the gubment mandate that all children MUST receive the pox vaccine in order to get their schooling. Many protested that it was unnecesary and the effects of the vaccine wore off right at the age when the pox became dangerous. The gubment turned a deaf ear and now every child has to receive the mandated vaccination, along with dozens of others.

A new study suggests that the pox vaccine may be responsible for the increase in the incidence of Shingles appearing throughout the country.


Study suggests chicken pox vaccine responsible for triggering nationwide shingles epidemic


For the past several years, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has been actively promoting the shingles vaccine as the solution to what some experts say is a building shingles epidemic. But a new study published in the German medical journal Der Hautarzt, or "The Dermatologist" in English, has revealed that the childhood vaccine for chicken pox, a common viral disease related to shingles, may actually be directly responsible for triggering this epidemic.

Also known clinically as varicella-zoster virus (VZV), chicken pox is a relatively mild form of herpes virus that typically manifests itself during the early childhood years. Nearly all children who develop the condition at a young age, in fact, never develop it again, and are also usually imparted with lifelong immunity to both VZV and its relative, herpes zoster, a more severe form of the disease commonly referred to as shingles.


According to the new study; however, getting vaccinated with the chicken pox vaccine, which first became commercially available in the U.S. back in 1995, could damage this natural immune cycle. Based on the available data, getting vaccinated for chicken pox may end up blocking the mechanisms the body uses to develop its own natural immunity to both chicken pox and shingles, causing much worse infection later on down the road.

A five-year-old girl, it turns out, was found recently to have developed severe symptoms of shingles not long after being vaccinated for chicken pox. Researchers from Helios Klinikum in Germany conducted a direct immunofluorescence assay on the child to look for evidence of the vaccine strain in the infection, and found that the vaccine strain had, indeed, caused the child to become infected with the much more severe shingles virus.

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Leave it to our ever competent gubment overlords to cure one harmless disease while making us vulnerable to a way more serious one.




posted on Feb, 14 2013 @ 12:16 PM
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As originally mandated by the states (mostly in the 70s and 80s), these vaccinations were likely quite innocent with the genuine intention of stopping this common childhood ailment. The problem creeps in much later, as government and big pharma both become far less worthy of the public trust and apt to fill that hypodermic going into your child's arm with anything.

Personally, I tend to draw a line in time... with better days on one side and what we know today, being on the other.



posted on Feb, 14 2013 @ 12:20 PM
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I'd say so.

S&F&



posted on Feb, 14 2013 @ 12:21 PM
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This does actually kind of make sense but at the same time if you have had Chicken pox then there is a good chance you’re going to end up with Shingles, I have had both neither will cause too much harm.



posted on Feb, 14 2013 @ 12:22 PM
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The funny thing is i managed to escape catching chicken pox until i was 35 and my dad died aged 70 never having it yet running a newsagents/sweetshop for nearly 15 years and shingles is generally caused by stress based weakening of the immune system since you already have the infection in your system allowing it to kick back in

wish i'd of got it as a kid as by god the itching was terrible



posted on Feb, 14 2013 @ 12:23 PM
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A harmless desease, huh? I guess that is only if you were not the parents of the approximately 105 people who died from it each year, or the parents of the 11-12,000 who were hospitalized with severe cases each year. Until, that is, 1995 when the vaccination campaign began. Chicken pox, caused by the varicella zoster virus, often results in pneumonia, encephalitis, and/or fatal liver damage. A 2012 study in the journal Pediatrics found that pre-1995 chicken pox caused medical ecpenses of about 330 million dollars/year, and societal costs (lost work) of 1.5 billion dollars/year.
Shingles is caused by the same viron, which lives forever in the body of someone who has had chicken pox. Shingles attacks mostly the elderly, who were too old in 1995, when the vaccine was first licensed, to have been vaccinated. So, as opposed to the suggestion in the OP, the occurence of shingles is caused not by the attenuated varicella zoster vaccine, but rather by the lack of a vaccine pre-1995.



posted on Feb, 14 2013 @ 12:26 PM
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Originally posted by FortAnthem
A new study suggests that the pox vaccine may be responsible for the increase in the incidence of Shingles appearing throughout the country.



It says no such thing.
The claim you make may or may not be true, but the study linked to makes no reference to any suggestion of an epidemic and goes no way to proving or disproving anything about an epidemic in a country on the other side of the world from where the study was done.

It is an observation of ONE individual.



posted on Feb, 14 2013 @ 12:30 PM
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Now that you have brought up this topic i just realized that in the past 6 months or so I have been seeing a lot ads on T.V. by pharmaceutical companies advertising shingle drugs/medicine.
Up until about 6 months ago i`ve never even heard shingles mentioned on T.V. and I dang sure NEVER saw any ads for shingle drugs/medicine.



posted on Feb, 14 2013 @ 12:37 PM
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It is my understanding that the only way to break out with shingles is to have previously contracted chicken pox at some prior point. The chicken pox virus remains in the body and while you may never experience symptoms of it again it still lurks within the body and at some future point may re-emerge as shingles (my dad got shingles last year and as I took him to the doctor I had the opportunity to ask questions).

I believe the chicken pox vaccine may have a lot to do with the rise in cases of shingles. When my kids were young they contracted chicken pox the old fashioned way- I took them to play with my best friend's kids when they got it so as to get it over with while they were young. Some kids got chicken pox and some didn't, and those who never did catch it did not have the virus lurking around in their bodies- waiting for the chance to strike back in the form of shingles. Nowadays all children are mandated by law to receive the chicken pox vaccine in order to attend public school, which means EVERY child has the virus lurking in their bodies- thus the greatly increased chance of developing shingles.

It is my opinion that shingles is a far worse condition than chicken pox and the vaccines are not only not worth the risk but are also not completely effective in preventing the chicken pox either. When is the government going to figure out that natural is better?



posted on Feb, 14 2013 @ 12:40 PM
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It's unfortunate that people think that shooting a virus into their body is the best way to fight it off.

The answer is that Chicken Pox, Herpes and Shingles are all signs of Vitamin C Deficiency. The best way to keep these diseases at bay is to taken in higher doses of Vitamin C.

The medical research proves this.

If you are interested in the research, see my signature thread "What You Don't Know About Vitamin C".



posted on Feb, 14 2013 @ 02:34 PM
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Originally posted by F4guy
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A harmless desease, huh? I guess that is only if you were not the parents of the approximately 105 people who died from it each year, or the parents of the 11-12,000 who were hospitalized with severe cases each year. Until, that is, 1995 when the vaccination campaign began. Chicken pox, caused by the varicella zoster virus, often results in pneumonia, encephalitis, and/or fatal liver damage. A 2012 study in the journal Pediatrics found that pre-1995 chicken pox caused medical ecpenses of about 330 million dollars/year, and societal costs (lost work) of 1.5 billion dollars/year.
Shingles is caused by the same viron, which lives forever in the body of someone who has had chicken pox. Shingles attacks mostly the elderly, who were too old in 1995, when the vaccine was first licensed, to have been vaccinated. So, as opposed to the suggestion in the OP, the occurence of shingles is caused not by the attenuated varicella zoster vaccine, but rather by the lack of a vaccine pre-1995.



It may sound a little callous but, those numbers seem pretty small compared with all the kids put at risk from even more vaccinations every year. The 105 who died (out of how many millions of Americans?) is puny and probably represents mostly the elderly and people with compromised immune systems. Same goes for those hospitalized; 12,000 isn't that bad compared to the general population and more people die from the common cold and the flu every year than that.

The medical expenses and lost work are probably more than made up for by the cost to vaccinate EVERY SINGLE CHILD IN THE US. That's a drain on the pocketbooks of everyday Americans going straight into the pockets of big pharma every year. How many people had to miss work to take their kids to the doctor or sit at home with them when they had an adverse reaction?

Why spend all that money on vaccinations that wear off right when the disease is most likely to cause the most damage and then end up leaving the treated person with the likelyhood of getting shingles later on? If you read the article, it points out that vaccinated children become carriers for shingles and can infect others like their parents, grandparents and any elderly person they happen to run into which is what is causing the epidemic right now.

The old way of letting kids get the pox when they were small and best able to fight the disease seemed to work best. It gave them the antibodys to become immune for the rest of their lives and a better resistance to shingles down the road. Now, the new vaccinations are probably leaving all of America's children vulnerable to shingles when they get older.

Of course, Merck is ready to step up with a solution to that problem with a seperate vaccine for the shingles. Way to go guys; creeate a problem and then step up with the solution. All in the name of squeezing a few more bucks out of the public.



posted on Feb, 14 2013 @ 03:22 PM
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I have a shingles flare up most years.

Have my collodial silver on stand by. Rub on the flare up and it clears within a day or two.

Miracle stuff eh.



posted on Feb, 14 2013 @ 03:29 PM
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I read it in the medical literature twenty years ago that early vaccinations to avoid a minor disease could result in later more serious effects of the same organism.
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posted on Feb, 14 2013 @ 03:36 PM
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Originally posted by F4guy
reply to post by FortAnthem
 

A harmless desease, huh? I guess that is only if you were not the parents of the approximately 105 people who died from it each year, or the parents of the 11-12,000 who were hospitalized with severe cases each year. Until, that is, 1995 when the vaccination campaign began. Chicken pox, caused by the varicella zoster virus, often results in pneumonia, encephalitis, and/or fatal liver damage. A 2012 study in the journal Pediatrics found that pre-1995 chicken pox caused medical ecpenses of about 330 million dollars/year, and societal costs (lost work) of 1.5 billion dollars/year.
Shingles is caused by the same viron, which lives forever in the body of someone who has had chicken pox. Shingles attacks mostly the elderly, who were too old in 1995, when the vaccine was first licensed, to have been vaccinated. So, as opposed to the suggestion in the OP, the occurence of shingles is caused not by the attenuated varicella zoster vaccine, but rather by the lack of a vaccine pre-1995.


You cover it all here......It was normal UNTIL it started costing the medical field billions.....Then they release the vaccine against it....


Just reading stuff on medical field and money makes me want to puke!!

UPMC in Pittsburgh owns practically the entire city.......Yeah the huge NON-PROFIT hospital owns almost all of Pittsburgh and is invading Monroeville right up the road from there......

They make no money at all and I feel bad chicken pox costs them billions.......

I am walking away with my back to you whilst playing the world's smallest violin toward the medical field losing billions....



posted on Feb, 14 2013 @ 03:40 PM
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Hmmmm. I just read a few more articles and the mechanics of the disease as described by the OP seem to not be quite right.
Here's how the medical side says it works:
Child gets chicken pox. The child recovers, but the virus remains, dormant. As the child ages, many more exposures to chicken pox will happen, which will reactivate the immunity from their original illness....essentially getting a booster shot. Each of these exposures will most likely be asymptomatic. Each booster keeps the virus dormant. But now with the vaccine, children are not getting chicken pox, therefore not creating the chances for exposure and the booster shot effect. As the vaccine eventually wears off, there is the chance for the person to get chicken pox and therefore shingles. Because the exposures are not happening to the parents and grandparents (and other adults), the virus they carry can become active and develop into shingles. Which is why there is a shingle vaccine.
This virus is tricky and tenacious. My son got chicken pox twice, and he is not the only person I know that had the happen. So even if you have had chicken pox you can get them again and develop shingles. To get shingles, you need to have had chicken pox. Recovery from chicken pox is NOT immunity.
If you never had the chicken pox, you won't be able to get shingles. So either get the vaccine and keep it up to date or get sick and carry the chance of shingles with you for the rest of your life.
I've had a very mild case of shingles. All that could be done was bed rest, Percocets, and novacaine patches. To those who aren't aware, Percs contain oxycontin. And they did not help.
I'd take the vaccine over that again without pause.



posted on Feb, 15 2013 @ 02:11 AM
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Natural News in altering the truth shocker!

I've scoured the article for the study mentioned but all I can find is ONE case history of an individual.

People really need to understand what that website is all about...it's not to "inform" you, it's purely advert-led and marketing for Mike Adams to fleece money off it's readers.
That's it.



posted on Feb, 15 2013 @ 08:25 AM
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Go to You Tube and watch "The Exploding Autoimmune Epidemic by Dr Trent" and
"Dr Mary's Monkey" they are 2 hours each. Then come back and say is it worth it.



posted on Feb, 15 2013 @ 10:05 AM
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Originally posted by speak24
Go to You Tube and watch "The Exploding Autoimmune Epidemic by Dr Trent" and
"Dr Mary's Monkey" they are 2 hours each. Then come back and say is it worth it.


Dr Tent's presentation almost looks interesting until he starts trying to substantiate his claims by using handwritten case studies.
Can you see the problem with that?

As for Dr Mary's Monkey, talk about putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with brocolli.



posted on Feb, 23 2013 @ 09:30 PM
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Originally posted by F4guy
reply to post by FortAnthem
 

A harmless desease, huh? I guess that is only if you were not the parents of the approximately 105 people who died from it each year, or the parents of the 11-12,000 who were hospitalized with severe cases each year. Until, that is, 1995 when the vaccination campaign began. Chicken pox, caused by the varicella zoster virus, often results in pneumonia, encephalitis, and/or fatal liver damage. A 2012 study in the journal Pediatrics found that pre-1995 chicken pox caused medical ecpenses of about 330 million dollars/year, and societal costs (lost work) of 1.5 billion dollars/year.
Shingles is caused by the same viron, which lives forever in the body of someone who has had chicken pox. Shingles attacks mostly the elderly, who were too old in 1995, when the vaccine was first licensed, to have been vaccinated. So, as opposed to the suggestion in the OP, the occurence of shingles is caused not by the attenuated varicella zoster vaccine, but rather by the lack of a vaccine pre-1995.


How nice of you to give an opinion without bothering to look at the facts. The article referenced by the OP mentions CHILDREN with shingles. Not the elderly.

I tend to take anything from natural news with a grain of salt, but please respond to what is in the actually cited article.
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