The Naska Lines: An Alien Blueprint. (amazing discovery!)

reply to post by IndianaJoe


The trouble with modern academia is that it is so damn specialised, that persons with solid interest in particular topics can spend entire lifetimes working on the minutiae of a theory tenuously linked in to the 'larger topic', and yet entirely miss the boat on key developments that affect the overall study of the subject.

Nazca is not something that can be studied accurately or sensibly by '100s of independent studies', in my humble opinion. Take the totality of what is there, and look for the overriding connective factors. Skim off the superfluous, or irrelevant data, and review what remains as a holistic problem - and involve multi-disciplinary specialists WITH OPEN MINDS on resolving the problem. Yes, much study is required to achieve the removal of superfluous tripe, but without a 'total concept' in mind, it becomes yet more academic facetiousness, scattering trails of ever-specialised breadcrumbs, that actually lead nowhere concrete..

The trouble with ALL ancient studies, is that certain preconceptions exist, and will not be accepted as viable objects of challenge. For example Nazca - there is an indefatigable sense that some of these lines simply defy logic, if we are to attribute them to earth-bound primitives working over a span of thousands of years. No amount of cajoling towards the acceptance of 'primitive ritual' as their motivation will actually reveal that base speculation to be the truth.

The constancy of the lines, in terms of generic stylings & odd features (such as their cutting across vast spans of gorge or mountain top, emerging triumphantly, still laser-straight and with all angles intact on the other side) across such wide plains, without substantial evidence that there exists any lengthy timespan between the first etching and the last, suggests that they are likely to have been carved out by the same group, in a short period of time, with motivations for doing so UNKNOWN.

Please don't claim that native artifacts littered around the lines can be dated to such & such a date, and that therefore chronology of 'construction' can be established by comparison of artifacts at different locations; that is logically flawed, and every archaeologist knows it, though very few would ever admit it in so few words. Lines in the sand such as those at Nazca cannot be accurately dated in and of themselves, no matter who came across, lived around, dropped crap on - or annotated them - over the course of a few thousand years.

Therefore, any attempt to find a holistic 'vision' of the intended purpose of these lines, is entirely valid, and may in fact become more valid, more fresh & novel in and of itself, more likely to be unencumbered by the 'mountains' of minutiae of aspects of study done previously, when attempted by a generalist with a unique and original idea, with no preconceptions, who simply does a bit of tracing of lines and says 'Hey - these appear to show a 3D image set of some sort..'

Now, you can see from the last sentence what the academics' problem is. They are preconditioned to believe that coherent (or semi-coherent) 3D tracings in sand over vast distances (looking for all the world as though they were etched by some sort of variably-focused electromagnetic beam upon the 2D surface of the plains & mountains, valleys etc, from a moveable point of origin up in the air) - are simply impossible..!!

So, with that preconception firmly entrenched in the psychology of EVERY SINGLE ACADEMIC WITH A CAREER TO PROTECT, we can perhaps see why hundreds of studies on the particulars of Nazca have turned up precisely NOTHING in the way of a holistic theory, and have in fact all leaned towards cramming the data into preconceived notions, loosely connected to 'PRIMITIVE RITUAL'

I know I won't have made a friend of you with this post, but I simply can't be bothered to debate further, knowing as I do that academics have a reputation & a career to defend, and that if they were to start from the evidence and work up to the theory (as opposed to cramming the evidence into a pre-conceived notion), they would likely soon be out of professional friends, and looking for a new career.

If it doesn't fit with the established doctrine of the field of research, it will take quite a while for anything other than re-hashes of weak theories, based on particulars instead of the totality, to be raised to the forefront of the field as truth - heck, even to admit that you're ''not sure'' is an academic faux pas in most instances - though I suppose for Nazca, it might pass as moderately more acceptable than in other, more concrete fields of research such as.. Genetics? Oh no wait, that's right - DNA complexes which aren't yet understood are called 'Junk DNA', so the researchers can pretend to understand more than they actually do.

It goes on throughout academia, to the shame of humanity.

reply to post by FlyInTheOintment


I take no offense to anything you said. I'm very supportive of people looking outside the box and taking a holistic approach. I disagree with OP that he has found a set of blue prints in the lines, but that is not to say he is wasting time and shouldn't pursue his theory. Some of the things that are most worth finding, are found when looking for something else. To say that this doesn't happen in archaeology or academia isn't true. Some of the greatest discovery of all times have come from outside the box holistic theories, which were later proved. I'm sure you've heard the bed time story about old Heinrich Sleiman and Troy (there are hundreds of similar stories). The nature of archaeology lends itself to common folk making great discoveries.

That minutia you talk about is very important. Another name for it is "facts". I'm all about seeing the forest through the trees, but you have to admit the trees are a pretty important part of the forest. If you ignore the small details you are being lazy and are predisposed to some logical fallacies which will taint the big picture. No one ever said that a top-down approach is better than a bottom-up approach, or the converse. Academics utilize both approach's to view problems. You are misinformed if you do not believe this. The first article you read in archaeology 101 is a paper by Lewis Binford called "Archaeology is Anthropology", he argues the bottom up approach is better, where other leaders in the field feel that "Archaeology is History", and argue the top down approach. Real scientists use both, everyday.

Most importantly: Did you read the article I posted, if you haven't I insist you do. You will suprised to find that the article supports your line of logic! It's a bunch of academics pretty much echoing what you said in your post. The article says the academic field needs to take a step back, look at all the data holistically, then move forward. The article even cites von daniken, which for an academic paper is quite a leap (i've never seen him cited in mainstream academia) and demonstrates that they want to approach this with an open mind. The whole point of the article is, "look at us we collected this data, now everyone take a step back and interpret it". The article does reach some minor conclusions, some of which you should find interesting.

Archaeologists have frequently made clear that the lines are hard to date. They debate it consistently and are the first to admit that some ancient lines likely exist. The problem, as the article states, is that the landscape is like a blackboard that keeps getting erased and re-written over, it leads to a confusing mess of lines which are hard to interpret, especially if you ignore the "minutia" (facts).

My point in posting the articles, is that what the OP is doing, is actively being done in the field. Which if you think about it is kind of cool, scientists are approaching a problem the same way as ATS'ers. Experts obviously have better and more accurate models that an anyone here can create. My intention is to take the actual data from the field and have it examined here. I think it would be awesome if all the "out of the box" posters on this board can look at legit academically accepted 3d models. It would save people a lot of time and would allow for a more scientific holistic approach to solving the riddle. What sucks is that the data itself is saved to a proprietary file format and that the program needed to open it is somewhat expensive. Further, getting access to the data itself is very difficult, though I have contacted people who are trying to get it for me (I did my undergraduate work in archaeology and have some connections still in the field).

Pretty much if you read the academic literature you will find that what the experts think is not much different than what people here have proposed, which is kind of cool. It's not my place to tell you to believe in aliens or not, I can care less. I just want to see people approach the problem the proper way. To be clear, you should not dismiss the work that people have done on this subject and your post is somewhat unfairly dismissive of academics in general. Some brilliant, decent people have spent their whole life pursuing this. The work these people have done is incredibly informative and goes a lot deeper than simply explaining everything as "shamanic rituals". Read the source material and not the cliff notes and trust me you will respect and appreciate the work that these people have been doing, they make some pretty solid and supported arguments. Also part of being a scientist is admitting, when "you don't know". As a field, archaeologists, have stated that "they don't know" over and over again, especially regarding this site. That doesn't mean certain theories, which so happen to deal with rain water and not aliens, have been more accepted. Your entitled to reach any conclusion you wan't but always remember "God is in the details".

I don`t understand why they made the lines over mountains and through ravines that`s a lot of work, unless they were following something and mapping or tracing it.
Have you ever heard of Dowsing?
I think it`s possible that they were making a surface map above whatever it was that they discovered underground by Dowsing.
Dowsing is a very old art (dating back over 8,000 years) and is still used today to locate underground water, mineral and ore veins and even caves and caverns.

reply to post by FuzzyNintendo


Hi Fuzzy, one thing I've learned in my life is that the best tool is the tool you know and feel confortable with.
The best tool for one may not represent the best method for others.
But if you guys are creating a research group I'm sure there will be plenty of specialists in various pro softwares around.

Just carry on man, and congrats once again

You guys are pissing me off. FINE! They ARE blueprints. I tried to keep you off track by saying it was a circuit board, but NO, you had to investigate further. Sorry for my outburst. You just weren't supposed to find out until a few years later.

Amazing work! I really think you might be on to something.

On another note, it makes me quite annoyed and sad to see that some people obviously have started drawing their own lines in this sacred area. Soon enough there will be nothing left. Is it not yet a world heritage site? When I visited Auschwitz a few years back, I saw that they had the same problem. People scratching their names and grafitti onto pretty much any availible surface..

I think that nasca people just did what every upcoming civilisation did, thousands of years after the great flood (created by the gods to give us a new start): They restored and copied the remnants of the gods. And they did anything they could to make the gods return.
Some lines were there all ready when nasca civilisation emerged. The gods made them for some reason or another. And nasca people -ruled by superstitious rulers who thought themselves were gods- did an incredible effort and made the whole picture as it is now. Whithout result. By the way: the gods were geometric minded, they didn't portray spiders or anything like that.

www.evawaseerst.be...

It wasn't the naska people who made it it was the Atlantean ship that made those carvings. Its a message for the future generation to stop the fallen. The snake you are seeing everywhere with the wings is what is to come. I will not elaborate. But the something has to be put back in the pyramid to stop them. Im not saying anything further. Nice to see so many people interested in the naska lines tho

i think it's just a holy ground using labyrinth type archetypes in it's formation

reply to post by FuzzyNintendo


Great Post op. I've always thought that these things had more to them than just face value (lines in the sand). But schematics.. meh. that just seems like a far reach.

Its not holy ground its non of which you guys mentioned. The spider picture is a picture of Orion. The black dog too. The picture of the winged coiled serpent is of the Pleiades. And the atleantean ship driven by the sky god with a birds beak. Those lines are the subterranean cities of Atlantis. That ship is the ship of legend of All legends. We are at war with the Pleiades and that means we are targets of war,. Because of the feud of Orion and the Pleiades they will be returning here very soon Much like the time of the great flood. They fly cigar shaped ufos. Or motherships really.... And they have a fleet of a million of them. They are already here and the bulk of their fleet is moving here now. By the end of this year this will establish first contact forcibly. by the mid year after they will betray us. By the winter they will come and take us. And on that winter, those souls taken are taken to hell next to be seen again. And those souls that remain will be burned with no future incarnations. These are the truth of things.

reply to post by TurboT


Those squares and circles are missile test sites. I've seen those images on ATS and elsewhere many times. I was also intrigued when I first saw them.

reply to post by CrypticSouthpaw


I'll bet that none of what you say happens, just like every other outlandish prophecy posted on these boards, yours too will not come to fruition. I'll lay you 10/1 odds for any some of money that no aliens come in the next year.

Its kind of plastered in religion and in monuments and such. This year or next who knows. But significant events have happened that have been predicted and calculated over thousands of years. So maybe because in your life time you were lied to a lot about the end of the world, Nukes, Y2K, Asteroids, Russia.

These things are only within your time span of life. My dreams only align with prophecy set hundreds of years ago. Fabricated in the form of me deciphering the information already present in my own oppinion. As does any researcher under certain guidelines. I however am not bound by such things. So i can expess how i decipher this. Based on my knowledge of the ancients, Knowledge of the bible and other scriptures. Conclusions that monuments everywhere are made to Orion which is a fact. That spider there is a representation. It take some digging around but you will find that the beings of Orion are black shapeshifters. Here in one of the pictures of the lines you can clearly see a dog with hands Also in relation to the constellations. All this was made by, the ship! who ever did it drew a picture of the ship they flew in. And a picture of them waving in a depth suit as humor.

Its not hard to see the links of the dragon with wings there. And the dragon with wings in other cultures who basically say that place is bad. Im taking things that exist, and putting some basis of reality into it to explain this. The cities below, like you could google magic mountain lore. You would find links of known mountains with natives saying * a city is in there * or *beings of the blah blah live there in a city below* Aliens in a city below or not. You can look at all of this and make the connection if you want. Its obvious a city below is important. And often has some myth about the end of times associated with it. So these lines are in my oppinion the subterranian tunnels and what not below earth. There are gates to these mountains. Maybe someone should see if any of these lines resemble any locations on earth to mark the doors?

Will aliens invade next year? Who knows. I just know my dream was exactly how some native legends of the towers played out. Which is weird. And sharing that dream with some of my close friends. Eitherway indiana jones make way for the crystal skulls and the realm of pyramids and aliens. Ur gunna see some weird things in this decade that the people fearing missiles long ago were scoffing at all the bogus si-fi movies.

And no alien gunna walk out wearing tin foil and an fish tank on their head with some anteena. !@#$'s scarier than that.

reply to post by AlchemicalParadox


Was that meant to be funny, or are you pretending to know something we don't?

reply to post by CrypticSouthpaw


And of course you have proof of this?

en.wikipedia.org...

The thunderbird's name comes from the common belief that the beating of its enormous wings causes thunder and stirs the wind. The Lakota name for the thunderbird is Wakį́yą, from wakhą, meaning "sacred", and kįyą, meaning "winged". The Kwakwaka'wakw have many names for the thunderbird, and the Nuu-chah-nulth (Nootka) called it Kw-Uhnx-Wa. The Ojibwa word for a thunderbird that is closely associated with thunder is animikii, while large thunderous birds are known as binesi.

Common depictions Across many North American indigenous cultures, the thunderbird carries many of the same characteristics. It is described as a large bird, capable of creating storms and thundering while it flies. Clouds are pulled together by its wingbeats, the sound of thunder made by its wings clapping, sheet lightning the light flashing from its eyes when it blinks, and individual lightning bolts made by the glowing snakes that it carries around with it. In masks, it is depicted as multi-colored, with two curling horns, and, often, teeth within its beak. The Native Americans believed that the giant thunderbird could shoot lightning from its eyes. Origins of the belief may lie in the tendency of large birds to take advantage of the warm updrafts which precede large storms, giving the impression that violent weather followed in their wake.

In oral history Depending on the people telling the story, the thunderbird is either a singular entity or a species. In both cases, it is intelligent, powerful, and wrathful. All agree one should go out of one's way to keep from getting thunderbirds angry. The singular thunderbird (as the Nuu-chah-nulth thought of it) was said to reside on the top of a mountain, and was the servant of the Great Spirit. It was also told that the thunderbird controlled rainfall. The plural thunderbirds (as the Kwakwaka'wakw and Cowichan tribes believed) could shapeshift into human form by tilting back their beaks like a mask, and by removing their feathers as if it were a feather-covered blanket. There are stories of thunderbirds in human form marrying into human families; some families may trace their lineage to such an event. Families of thunderbirds who kept to themselves but wore human form were said to have lived along the northern tip of Vancouver Island. The story goes that other tribes soon forgot the nature of one of these thunderbird families, and when one tribe tried to take them as slaves the thunderbirds put on their feather blankets and transformed to take vengeance upon their foolish captors. Sioux people believed that in "old times" the thunderbirds destroyed dangerous reptilian monsters called the Unktehila. The Anishinaabe, who speak Ojibwa, one of the Three Fires Society, have many stories about thunderbirds. During the sundance ceremony a thunderbird nest is put near the top of the tree of life. The dancers often face the nest while dancing, and their hands and arms reach up towards the nest at times. A thunderbird pipe is used during the ceremony, and thunderbird medicine is prepared as well. The area of Thunder Bay, Ontario, is related in some ways to the Anishinaabe stories of thunderbirds. A famous story of the thunderbird is "Thunderbird and Whale". The thunderbird mythology parallels tales of the Roc from around the Indian Ocean; as the roc, it is generally assumed to be based on real (though mythically exaggerated) species of birds, specifically the Bald Eagle, which is very common on the Northwest Coast.

Here is a depiction of Orion Notice how the leg streches, because syrius does that in the orion constellation.



Here we see the exadurated neck to reprisent the sprawling dragon over Orion, Or a giant thunder bird. In our history they have played a part as both friends and foes As the thunderbird is a creation of the creator. Not the creator itself.



In other cultures its also know as the feathered serpent.

www.atlantisquest.com...



"Across the wide Pacific, there is the 7-headed Naga on the temple at Anchor Wat, in Cambodia, while the Chinese represent the Feathered Serpent in the form of a dragon; here the serpent has somehow become one with a fierce, fire-breathing bird, while simultaneously remaining a protective deity.

Unlike the dragons of Western Europe, which are usually emblematic of evil, the many Eastern versions of the dragon are powerful spiritual symbols, representing seasonal cycles and supernatural forces. In some Eastern cultures, the dragon plays an integral part in Creation mythology. Generally, the oriental Fire-dragon is a benevolent and powerful bringer of good fortune. "

You can check google earth and see the naska lines line others have pointed out


See the bird hes holding and all the feathers around him. That would be a pleiadian. Also represented as the feathered serpent.

The serpent Nehebkau ("he who harnesses the souls") was the two-headed serpent deity who guarded the entrance to the underworld. He is often seen as the son of the snake goddess Renenutet. She often was confused with (and later was absorbed by) their primal snake goddess Wadjet, the Egyptian cobra, who from the earliest of records was the patron and protector of the country, all other deities, and the Pharaohs. Wadjet is the Uraeus-Cobra that is placed conspicuously on the front of the crowns of the Egyptian Pharaohs.

Notice how it splits down the middle, These 2 constellations are closely related, And its obvious with all the lore out there. This is not fabricated, but knowledge passed down.










And here is the dragon roasting us. Hmm. I wonder why there are sooo many hieroglyphs and such depicting A lot of what the nazka lines are saying. As well as other monuments. You can tell its gunna happen in the 5th bakthun. See at the top of the diagram. Hyroglyphs arnt that hard to underatand yo. 5 cycles, so after the 5 cycles see the 5 sun cycles. And 7 circles means its gunna be at the 7th planet from the son. Which is earth. If you count the planets backwards which is how many ancients did it. We are known as the 7th planet in some perspectives. This will happen. The moon and sun is a reprisentation of the time going by with each cycle. And they followed by sun cycles and lunar cycles not day and night so to speak 24hs like we do.



You can tell where they got the idea of the serpent with wings, Associated with Orion. As torus and the Pleiades kinda look like that.



And here are the Pleiades taking people

en.wikipedia.org...

California's Mount Shasta has been the subject of an unusually large number of myths and legends. In particular, it is often said to hide a secret city beneath its peaks. In some stories the city is no longer inhabited, while in others it is inhabited by a technological advanced society of human beings or mythical creatures

science.nationalgeographic.com...

Advanced Society The Nabataeans, before they were conquered and absorbed into the Roman Empire, controlled a vast tract of the Middle East from modern-day Israel and Jordan into the northern Arabian peninsula. The remains of their innovative networks of water capture, storage, transport, and irrigation systems are found to this day throughout this area. Scholars know the Nabataeans were in Petra since at least 312 B.C., says archaeologist Zeidoun Al-Muheisen of Jordan's Yarmouk University. Al-Muheisen, who has been excavating in Petra since 1979 and specializes in the Nabataean period, says no one has yet found any archaeological evidence dating back to the fourth century B.C. The earliest findings thus far date back only to the second and first centuries B.C. But more clues remain beneath the surface. "We have uncovered just 15 percent of the city," he says. "The vast majority—85 percent—is still underground and untouched."

umerous scrolls in Greek and dating to the Byzantine period were discovered in an excavated church near the Winged Lion Temple in Petra in December 1993. Researchers at the American Center of Oriental Research in Amman, the capital, are now analyzing the scrolls and hope they will shed light on life in Petra during this period. Once Rome formally took possession of Petra in A.D. 106, its importance in international trade began to wane. The decay of the city continued, aided by earthquakes and the rise in importance of sea trade routes, and Petra reached its nadir near the close of the Byzantine Empire's rule, around A.D. 700. Visitors today can see varying blends of Nabataean and Greco-Roman architectural styles in the city's tombs, many of which were looted by thieves and their treasures thus lost. Today, local Bedouins selling tourist souvenirs hawk their wares not far from the place where Arabs believe Moses struck a rock with his staff, causing water to burst forth: "A knife for the wife? A gun for the son?"

So im saying that, the ship drawn in the nazka lines. Is the same one hidden in egypt. BUT there are doorways all over the planet. And relics that need to be recovered to unlock them, Everything is somewhat connected and people have to work together in order to get these doors open,

www.abovetopsecret.com...

So getting back to this now. Namarrgon, this lightning man was a creation spirit. One could say a godlike, devine being who resides in the sky. He is part insect and part devine as you can see here. You can notice a third pair of limbs that have faded.

Notice what is coming out of him? And notice what the feathered serpent is holding? Hope this helps connect some things.

www.crystalinks.com...

***********The Cherokee Calendar also speaks its voice telling that at this time of the fingers striking Jupiter that Orion Star System will awaken. And the Pleiades and Orion will war once again as in old. Jupiter and Venus will awaken to its destiny of TIME UNTIME of cycles. Orion will WAR with Pleadies, Jupiter will WAR with Venus. The time of the Cherokee UKU's will be at hand.

In the year 2004 and 2012 an alignment will take place both on the Cherokee Calendar and in the heavens of the Rattlesnake Constellation both. It is the time of the doublehead serpent stick. It is the time of the Red of Orion and Jupiter against White Blue of Pleadies and Venus. It is the time of the Uku's choosing. It is the time of the Beloved Woman and MYSTERIES OF TIME UNTIME. It is the Time Untime of the THUNDERBOLT and the spirits of Lightning Mountains.

In the year 2004 and 2012 the Cherokee Rattlesnake Constellation will take on a different configuration. The Snake itself will remain, however, upon the Rattlesnake shall be added upon its head feathers, its eyes will open and glow, wings spring forth as a winged Rattlesnake, it shall have hands and arms and in its hands shall be found a bowl. The bowl will hold blood. Upon its tail of 7 rattles shall be the glowing and movement of Pleiades.

The Rattlesnake shall become a FEATHERED RATTLESNAKE or FEATHERED SERPENT of TIME UNTIME.

And upon the Rattlesnake is also the Milky Way. A crossing of the Milky Way shall be seen at these times.

For the center of the Universe is what many know as the Constellation Sagittarius by modern man. But upon this constellation of is also found the Pleiades Star system which is what is different in the boundary of others and the Cherokee Zodiac.

The Milky Way is ALSO a Tree ... STONE TREE. And upon Stone Tree is as a Tree with a tree trunk, branches, a top, and even roots. The Flower and the Tree is also a tassel as corn. And upon the flower and the tree is the TREE OF LIFE. REBIRTH, RENEWAL, NEW.

And the Cherokee Calendar shall end in the year 2012. But upon the times just prior shall be the Feathered Serpent and its prophecy.

Upon the Heavens design, within the Cherokee Rattlesnake Constellation, it is written. And upon the Rings of TIME UNTIME of the Cherokee Calendar it also says BEHOLD RATTLESNAKE CONSTELATION. And Remember.

The Rings of the Cherokee Calendar are read by the winding motion of the Rattlesnake. To Add or to subtract TIME UNTIME. To MOVE the Wheels backward or forward, to add a wheel to move the rings, to tell the tale what was, what is, and to be. The Rattlesnake and it design tells the movement of the RINGS OF TIME.

And in the sky heavens the motions of the movement of stars, planets, and life tell the tale of its bearing. For all is as the winding of the Rattlesnake. And in the year 2004 the Morning Star shall be first and in the year 2012 the Evening Star shall be first. And upon those years the crown of the Feathered Serpent shall bear its colors and honor. The hands shall hold the bowl and the tail shall be as the roots of a Tree, The Pleaides Tree of the beginning.

And in the Year 2004 and 2012 shall be the TIME UNTIME of the Feathered Serpent of the Sky Heavens. And the Rings shall turn upon those years of prophecy foretold on the Rings of TIME UNTIME. And Ywahoo Falls Kentucky shall sing of Venus and the Feathered Rattlesnake.

For this is not all the prophecy not all the things thereof. For if it was meant for one to know and I give only part, then you have received a great gift. For if I tell all and it was not meant for one to know then I have waisted my breath. For this is a sacred thing, the Venus Alignment and the Feathered Serpent of the Heavens.

And in the Year 2012 the Cherokee Calendar Ends. And all is reborn. For the Feathered Rattlsnake comes and shall be seen in the heavens in the year 2004 to 2012.

In the south of the americas ... it is related as the coming of Quetzalcoatl. The Ancient Cherokee relate it as the coming of the Pale One once again.

The Rattlesnake Constelation shall appear with the Venus Alignment. The Stars of the Heavens of the Cherokee Zodiac, the Rings of the Calendar, and The Venus Alignment tell the story of a Chickamaugan Prophecy. For they all are aligned in the year 2004 to 2012.
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www.think-aboutit.com...

Read this article. And see the difference of why people think the shape-shifters are reptillian when they are not. There are 2 factions of Orions and this is well know. One is here controlling us, The other are benevolent. But we are gunna see some sparks fly when the Pleiades come here and try to banish em. And then try to convince humanity to go with em instead. God. Aliens are worse than door to door salesmen.