The Black Hole in Russia

in the process of reading the whole thread but did you see this article?

www.opendemocracy.net...

seems plausible thats its a military experiment

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


Wait, are you implying that there is conspiracy-related information on the deep web? All I saw were illicit drugs for sale and stolen merchandise.

Originally posted by miniatus
I think this is the most plausible explanation =) kudos .. and I like the photos of the site.. the coordinates match exactly with the site mentioned by the OP.. this should be case closed I would think

In my mind, if this is indeed the explanation, it only makes for more of a mystery and certainly doesn't close the matter at all.

Why would anyone work so hard to obscure / hide an old abandoned airstrip in the middle of nowhere when (as noted earlier) items that are highly classified can be easily found in plain view elsewhere?

reply to post by Flyingclaydisk


I'm quite comfortable with topo maps and the outdoors. The photos don't look like they could be from that area, given the contour lines.

The foliage would be very similar to that of Alaska as well. From what I see in those photos, the trees resemble a location much further south in a warmer, wetter enviroment.

I do not believe those photos of that abandoned airstrip are in the area in question.

reply to post by MystikMushroom


I concur, and this was also bourne out by an earlier poster as well.

reply to post by MystikMushroom

Well, if that's all you saw then that's as hard as you apparently looked. Like I told the other poster, it's not being coy to say it's really not something described well in a text message like this. Also...If spending a couple hours looking around is what anyone figures is a look at what is off the open web for material? Err... It'd be similar to looking at the polluted Long Beach harbor and saying you've seen enough to declare the Pacific Ocean a nasty mess in need of desperate help.

The black markets are part of it...but that much is up in the open too.

I think what makes it special for a thing like this thread is that the sites down there are as untraceable and impossible to fight as anything can be around our electronic world. It means people don't hesitate like they do in openweb for posting sensitive and often enough, outright classified material at levels higher than Wiki-leaks ever posted anywhere. It's also why...you won't find a tour guide to take anyone down there. Just SEEING that material is, under federal law, a crime. Simply reading it....is a felony. So... 'The Truth is out there' is about as detailed as I get, anyway.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by larphillips

 

I'm the second to mention it...Why me for the focus?

I know.. I'm likely to actually explain anything, right?

ATS seems touchy on this topic so I am circumspect in how I approach it to touch on it. The T&C about criminal activity is what applies, I think, and I just about understand that since the top levels of Deepweb are generally based in that side of society.

Anyway... to be real simple and as much as I'm going to say...Look up Tor, look up Deepweb and go from there. It's one of those Matrix like things. No one can tell you what Deepweb is. You really DO have to see and experience it to understand it. I sure did...and it's not being coy. Any words just don't quite do justice to what represents MORE online material, as a whole, than the Openweb Google and Bing know anything about.

One warning though, and this IS a sincere, honest and heartfelt warning....not hyperbole or B.S. to sound cool. Deepweb IS the wild wild west of the world's electronic frontier. There IS no law. There IS no enforcement and there IS no "right or wrong" as it's really respected down there.

You WILL see things you never wanted to and you'll never be able to get out of your head. If you explore at all down there..you will come across some things like that.

You'll also find things like this Russian site ..and several MORE, by the way, which Mr. Tesla wouldn't need explanation to fully grasp and understand the purpose for, from the outside. China has some sites as well...and if anyone things Gakona, Alaska is a unique project? Well... Seek deep my friend. The truth is out there.....it's just in a REAL bad neighborhood.

Nevermind this, just saw your above post.

reply to post by Flyingclaydisk

I agree, the photos I posted earlier might not be a perfect match for this location. I'm looking into the matter further to see if there might be some actual pictures from the sight in question floating around.

It's definately very suspicious that this area is blocked in every sat photo available. There is something there they don't want us to see that's for sure. Still the question remains, what is it?

Edit: I'm starting to believe the photos are not from the area in question, the Zeriz Kresta runway, but an old abandoned ICBM from more inland Russia to the south-west...it's like the earlier poster mentioned, there are so many of these all over Russia a mix up could have easily happened. The only way might be to lay eyes on it yourself... Anyone in Russia feel like going for a hike?

Why do you guys make this Dark Web seem so sinister. I haven't explored it, and doubt I will. But from what I have gathered from you guys is that... It has tons of Cocaine and Meth for sale (No Surprise) And then it is mentioned that there are disturbing images that you can't get out of your head. ( Youtube has some pretty crazy videos of people getting be headed, and all other crazy stuff. ) Images of war are pretty gruesome too. (children with body parts blown off.

Not to be sinister, but imagine babies and toddlers fighting each other with swords and knifes, and then adults coming in and eating the children alive. Raping of children and the elderly.
Really, what is worse than that?
You guys act like there is live satellite feed of Satan himself, on the deepweb. I mean you make it sound like once you go there, you can't make it back.
The only thing that would freak me out, is if the greys(aliens) had their own media on the deepweb and openly discussed what ever. That would be crazy.

reply to post by Jodlum66


I know, I'm with you.

What is scary about it are the people that inhabit that place. There are some hardcore hackers there that can really, really mess up your computer if you happen to wander into the wrong area.

The place is also known to be infested with federal agencies of one sort or another. I would guess that all of the "murder for hire" advertisements are completley flase and /or setups.

It basically reminds me of what the internet used to be circa 1997-ish. *shrug*

Are there really secret documents and stuff that hasn't been posted on sites like ATS down there though?

Sorry, it's just new to me and I'm curious.

reply to post by Flyingclaydisk


As long as anomalous/sci-fi is being offered as solution, I once had trouble photographing my haunted rental house. It always showed up as blurry no matter what camera was used while surroundings were crisp.

Maybe the area is massively paranormal? But I like the gates to Hades idea, too, as that is way cool and metal (guitar screeches).

Originally posted by MystikMushroom
reply to post by Jodlum66

 

I know, I'm with you.

What is scary about it are the people that inhabit that place. There are some hardcore hackers there that can really, really mess up your computer if you happen to wander into the wrong area.

The place is also known to be infested with federal agencies of one sort or another. I would guess that all of the "murder for hire" advertisements are completley flase and /or setups.

It basically reminds me of what the internet used to be circa 1997-ish. *shrug*

I've been all over the "Darknet" and it's not that bad. What is bad is the child pornagraphy that is rampant all over it. It's disgusting, and it's all over the place. You stumble across it because there is no way to tell what the onion address you clicked on is. There are some link directories that describe the address it links to, which is kind of helpful to avoid that kind of stuff. It's also scary because if you do stumble across it - A.) You have seen that disgusting material B.) it has now been on your computer.

There is also tons of malware / drive by download infection vectors on the "Darknet" as well, but any good anti-virus anti-spyware / IDS / firewall will block all of that or quarantine any infection that you accidently infect yourself with. It's not as "dangerous" as people make it out to be - really it's just the fact that it is a CP haven and it's everywhere.

Atleast for me, that's the major reason I don't venture on there very often.

So if what they say is true about the "object" on the link provided about the satellite map images with missing or unclear data then I have a feeling that there could be a potential link to Kinross. It appears that they have a great interest in the far east of Russia and own a substantial amount of mining sites between the parent company and their many subsidiaries.

Russian Lawyer's Profile - Second bullet point under Representative Experience.

Kinross Exploration - Click "Russia" for areas of interest.

Not sure how much this will help find an answer, but it's a possible lead I suppose?

Very interesting stuff...I'll come back and read the whole thread when I have time.

Off the cuff, it looks close enough to Bering Straits it could be a missile site or SAM defense site. As far as getting in and out, Russia has some big helicopters. Moving generators and equipment would not be an issue if this was a Government site.

I'll come back to read the whole thing when I have a chance.

reply to post by Flyingclaydisk



Ahhhh yes, the coveted big foot/yeti/Sasquatch sanctuary. The government has secretly been rounding them up around the world and relocating them deep in the Russian Wilderness where every man woman and child is too drunk to care about a hairy man in the woods. There is a valley, with low lying land and what looks to be a river/lake system running through it. Plenty of food, fresh water.

All jokes aside, from your topographical map it appears to be exactly this. There are a few larger mountains around the outside of the area, with low lying area in between. There are a few low peaks in the area, I think 350 meters-ish, from your topographical map( sorry I closed it when I opened this reply). So for the most part it's a mountain valley. There appears to be a river running through the area that possibly widens out to a formidable size. It's really hard to say, because the only image that isn't a black box or black smudge is really blurry. It could even be a road.

Now, I'm not an expert, but your mention of a silver/mineral mine some what near by could lead us to believe this area is a mineral rich area they don't want the public knowing about. Maybe Diamonds, maybe even Uranium which would be a resource many would want to protect. I know in it's raw form it's not much of a concern, but if you can get the materials it could be made in to a somewhat concerning product. I don't know if Uranium mines are public knowledge. I do know we have them in the US, Canada, all over the world really.

If it's not some kind of mine, it's possible it's a soviet version of a NORAD type facility. It would make sense they would want to keep it unknown even to their own public for the same reasons the US tries to keep theirs secure. They don't need curious civilians hanging around, or if there is a catastrophe a swarm of panicked civilians coming for cover. NORAD isn't secret, it's whereabouts are even known by some civilians, but it is a facility you can be shot for trespassing on, in or around.

It could be part of Stalin's secret railway from WW2. I remember learning about this in school, and this railroad took routes into the weirdest uninhabited parts of Russia, to bases, training facilities, factories, warehouses, that were abandoned after the war, or adopted during the cold war for the same or updated purposes. It's really hard to say with Russia, there are people in Russia who have no idea what or where things are. The Communist tight lip policy was pretty damn amazing given the conditions we were lead to believe they lived.

It's hard to say why it would be intentionally blacked out like that. It could be as simple as they don't have data for that specific area, or there literally was nothing there so they just never filled that gap in. They could have missed it and the programs default is an empty black spot where a photo would have been stitched in.

The image where it is a big brown smudge makes me wonder the most, I've found all sorts of ultra low rez images in areas of Canada, and that's simply because no one cares to look there. It's 1000s of kms of forest or mountain range, Why use up valuable space on a server or hard drive filling them in to look at dirt and trees.

It may just be me, but it doesn't make my gears kick into motion with uncontrollable saliva drooling fury. How ever, I have never been that in to " secret places" of the modern world. More often than not the times I have gotten excited I disappoint myself looking for something amazing to find out it's a military installation.(I don't subscribe to super military tech. It's ahead of civilian tech, but it's not a flying car or Teleport.)

I'd be absolutely curious to hear what you come up with if you do OP, I'm just not as driven to search myself.

Interesting thread!

S&F

This pic posted by XLR8R



Intrigues me... as does this whole thread.
It could be that I want to see something here so I do see it... but it does look like what could be a surface building... I see a rectangular building shape and also part of a perfect circle on its 'roof' in the area highlighted.
Not sure what the scale is... that would be useful.
Good luck with your investigations!

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by larphillips

 

I'm the second to mention it...Why me for the focus?

I know.. I'm likely to actually explain anything, right?

ATS seems touchy on this topic so I am circumspect in how I approach it to touch on it. The T&C about criminal activity is what applies, I think, and I just about understand that since the top levels of Deepweb are generally based in that side of society.

Anyway... to be real simple and as much as I'm going to say...Look up Tor, look up Deepweb and go from there. It's one of those Matrix like things. No one can tell you what Deepweb is. You really DO have to see and experience it to understand it. I sure did...and it's not being coy. Any words just don't quite do justice to what represents MORE online material, as a whole, than the Openweb Google and Bing know anything about.

One warning though, and this IS a sincere, honest and heartfelt warning....not hyperbole or B.S. to sound cool. Deepweb IS the wild wild west of the world's electronic frontier. There IS no law. There IS no enforcement and there IS no "right or wrong" as it's really respected down there.

You WILL see things you never wanted to and you'll never be able to get out of your head. If you explore at all down there..you will come across some things like that.

You'll also find things like this Russian site ..and several MORE, by the way, which Mr. Tesla wouldn't need explanation to fully grasp and understand the purpose for, from the outside. China has some sites as well...and if anyone things Gakona, Alaska is a unique project? Well... Seek deep my friend. The truth is out there.....it's just in a REAL bad neighborhood.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Originally posted by zeeon

Originally posted by MystikMushroom
reply to post by Jodlum66

 

I know, I'm with you.

What is scary about it are the people that inhabit that place. There are some hardcore hackers there that can really, really mess up your computer if you happen to wander into the wrong area.

The place is also known to be infested with federal agencies of one sort or another. I would guess that all of the "murder for hire" advertisements are completley flase and /or setups.

It basically reminds me of what the internet used to be circa 1997-ish. *shrug*

I've been all over the "Darknet" and it's not that bad. What is bad is the child pornagraphy that is rampant all over it. It's disgusting, and it's all over the place. You stumble across it because there is no way to tell what the onion address you clicked on is. There are some link directories that describe the address it links to, which is kind of helpful to avoid that kind of stuff. It's also scary because if you do stumble across it - A.) You have seen that disgusting material B.) it has now been on your computer.

There is also tons of malware / drive by download infection vectors on the "Darknet" as well, but any good anti-virus anti-spyware / IDS / firewall will block all of that or quarantine any infection that you accidently infect yourself with. It's not as "dangerous" as people make it out to be - really it's just the fact that it is a CP haven and it's everywhere.

Atleast for me, that's the major reason I don't venture on there very often.

edit on 14-2-2013 by zeeon because: (no reason given)

It's not dangerous but you do have to be careful for sure.