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reply posted on 13-2-2013 @ 04:04 PM by symptomoftheuniverse

Originally posted by Klassified
Careful OP. Mentioning either, or both, ancient civilization on Mars, and/or Richard Hoagland in any thread causes some folks to have seizures. You should have posted a warning.

However, I think Soylent has offered up information well worth considering.
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i understand ,consider me warned. Yep its rock caused by drill bit.

reply posted on 13-2-2013 @ 04:09 PM by smurfy

What is interesting, is that all the drilling is concentrated on the upper layer of rock, which looks to be of a different composition than the 'shiny' rock of the op's which looks to be a hard solid rock trapped in aggregate. All the rest, the reddish coloured stuff looks like more delicate aggregate, possibly hardened dust from moisture and dust mix, there's even a crack coming down the slope on the left-hand side, maybe the drill caused that??

reply posted on 13-2-2013 @ 04:11 PM by Zaphod58

reply to post by symptomoftheuniverse

It's different levels of zoom. One was zoomed in closer to the "shiny bit" the other showed the area around it. You do that to highlight different things. The zoomed in one lets you get a good look at the "shiny bit", while the zoomed out one lets you see it, but also lets you see the area too, to look for other things. It's simply different levels of zoom.

reply posted on 13-2-2013 @ 04:12 PM by symptomoftheuniverse

Originally posted by smurfy
What is interesting, is that all the drilling is concentrated on the upper layer of rock, which looks to be of a different composition than the 'shiny' rock of the op's which looks to be a hard solid rock trapped in aggregate. All the rest, the reddish coloured stuff looks like more delicate aggregate, possibly hardened dust from moisture and dust mix, there's even a crack coming down the slope on the left-hand side, maybe the drill caused that??

i also can not see and drill debris,not in the hole or around it.supposed hole. Does it really look like hole to anybody?

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reply posted on 13-2-2013 @ 04:22 PM by Aleister

Originally posted by gortex
reply to post by draknoir2

Ah Hugo

Ok its not Hugo , what am I supposed to be looking at in that picture ?
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I nominate Hugo for site mascot.

reply posted on 13-2-2013 @ 04:24 PM by eriktheawful

Originally posted by symptomoftheuniverse

Originally posted by smurfy
What is interesting, is that all the drilling is concentrated on the upper layer of rock, which looks to be of a different composition than the 'shiny' rock of the op's which looks to be a hard solid rock trapped in aggregate. All the rest, the reddish coloured stuff looks like more delicate aggregate, possibly hardened dust from moisture and dust mix, there's even a crack coming down the slope on the left-hand side, maybe the drill caused that??
i also can not see and drill debris,not in the hole or around it.supposed hole. Does it really look like hole to anybody?
edit on 13-2-2013 by symptomoftheuniverse because: added srntance

Here is the hole in it's original resolution, cropped. If you look closely you can see the dusting, and even debris in the hole itself:

Some times changing the orientation can help a person see that something that may look like it is sticking out.....is really sticking "in" (a hole). Same image as above, but flipped 180 deg:

Link to original Curiosity image

yes, looks like a hole to me. A hole barely 3 inches wide.

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reply posted on 13-2-2013 @ 04:25 PM by Soylent Green Is People

Originally posted by Aleister

Originally posted by gortex
reply to post by draknoir2

Ah Hugo

Ok its not Hugo , what am I supposed to be looking at in that picture ?
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I nominate Hugo for site mascot.

This is a different thing than Hugo. (Did ArMap give it that name?)

reply posted on 13-2-2013 @ 04:25 PM by Chamberf=6

reply to post by symptomoftheuniverse

Its obviosly metal and it is obviously sticking out. It is obviously ancient.

And you know this how?

How is it "obviously" metal?

Does it really look like hole to anybody?

Yes.

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reply posted on 13-2-2013 @ 04:28 PM by Aleister

Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People

Originally posted by Aleister

Originally posted by gortex
reply to post by draknoir2

Ah Hugo

Ok its not Hugo , what am I supposed to be looking at in that picture ?
edit on 13-2-2013 by gortex because: (no reason given)

I nominate Hugo for site mascot.

This is a different thing than Hugo. (Did ArMap give it that name?)

No, Arken did, he named it after his dog.

reply posted on 13-2-2013 @ 04:29 PM by smurfy

Originally posted by symptomoftheuniverse

Originally posted by smurfy
What is interesting, is that all the drilling is concentrated on the upper layer of rock, which looks to be of a different composition than the 'shiny' rock of the op's which looks to be a hard solid rock trapped in aggregate. All the rest, the reddish coloured stuff looks like more delicate aggregate, possibly hardened dust from moisture and dust mix, there's even a crack coming down the slope on the left-hand side, maybe the drill caused that??
i also can not see and drill debris,not in the hole or around it.supposed hole. Does it really look like hole to anybody?
edit on 13-2-2013 by symptomoftheuniverse because: added srntance

Soylent meant that whole area is a hole, your rock happens to be in it. The rock is not the hole. The drill marks are immediately above your rock. Sorry if that looks like a whole lot of holes!

reply posted on 13-2-2013 @ 04:36 PM by Soylent Green Is People

Originally posted by symptomoftheuniverse

Originally posted by smurfy
What is interesting, is that all the drilling is concentrated on the upper layer of rock, which looks to be of a different composition than the 'shiny' rock of the op's which looks to be a hard solid rock trapped in aggregate. All the rest, the reddish coloured stuff looks like more delicate aggregate, possibly hardened dust from moisture and dust mix, there's even a crack coming down the slope on the left-hand side, maybe the drill caused that??
i also can not see and drill debris,not in the hole or around it.supposed hole. Does it really look like hole to anybody?
edit on 13-2-2013 by symptomoftheuniverse because: added srntance

The percussion/drill assembly can also pick up debris drilled from the rock. HOWEVER, having said that, I don't think that is the case regarding your OP image.

The reason why I don't think that was the case in your OP image is that (1) it only made a very shallow percussive strike into the rock in that image, (2) you can see a little debris around that shallow percussive strike, and (3) I think the "drill" mode must be in use (not the percussion mode) to pick up the material. The debris gets picked up by the drill by an auger that needs to be spinning.

Here is another detailed story about the workings of Curiosity's drill. This was written a few weeks ago, prior to these drill tests:

spaceref.com...

Like I said, the mark made is very shallow (the entire width of the drill bit is only 1.6 centimeters), and you can see the some debris around the hole. Other debris may have vibrated away due to the percussive force.

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reply posted on 13-2-2013 @ 04:39 PM by tsurfer2000h

reply to post by symptomoftheuniverse

i also can not see and drill debris,not in the hole or around it.supposed hole. Does it really look like hole to anybody?

And how much fine dust do you expect to see?

Here this should help explain the drill marks...

science.nbcnews.com...

Those are drill marks and that is a rock...Sorry but it isn't metallic nor is it something that is hidden on the Mars surface...

Actually it is something hiding.... A rock..

reply posted on 13-2-2013 @ 04:41 PM by Chamberf=6

According to Reuters the first hole drilled by Curiosity was just very recent and a much different photo than OPs.

reply posted on 13-2-2013 @ 04:41 PM by symptomoftheuniverse

Originally posted by eriktheawful

Originally posted by symptomoftheuniverse

Originally posted by smurfy
What is interesting, is that all the drilling is concentrated on the upper layer of rock, which looks to be of a different composition than the 'shiny' rock of the op's which looks to be a hard solid rock trapped in aggregate. All the rest, the reddish coloured stuff looks like more delicate aggregate, possibly hardened dust from moisture and dust mix, there's even a crack coming down the slope on the left-hand side, maybe the drill caused that??
i also can not see and drill debris,not in the hole or around it.supposed hole. Does it really look like hole to anybody?
edit on 13-2-2013 by symptomoftheuniverse because: added srntance

Here is the hole in it's original resolution, cropped. If you look closely you can see the dusting, and even debris in the hole itself:

Some times changing the orientation can help a person see that something that may look like it is sticking out.....is really sticking "in" (a hole). Same image as above, but flipped 180 deg:

Link to original Curiosity image

yes, looks like a hole to me. A hole barely 3 inches wide.
edit on 13-2-2013 by eriktheawful because: (no reason given)

thankyou very much, at last i can relax. Its a hole. Thankyou contributers and im sorry if i have irked people. Its a hole.
My pic does not look like a hole though, my eyes have been decieved. Never trust your eyes,i will be less trusting of my own from now on.

reply posted on 13-2-2013 @ 04:41 PM by MysterX

reply to post by symptomoftheuniverse

That's very interesting actually.

I've not read through the thread yet, (i will though) but in case there isn't one posted, is there a link to the original image on the Curiosity site please? (ETA: link is in the post directly above this one..typical!)

It does look metalic, it actually looks a lot like oxidised or encrusted lead that has been partially sandblasted and exposed the metal beneath, with what looks a lot like a manufactured zig-zag seam running down the top / middle of it. The apex is more silvery than the rest as this would have been exposed for longer.

I'd like to examine the original image before making any firm conclusions though.

Good find OP, thanks.

edit on 13-2-2013 by MysterX because: added comment

ETA#2: Yes, it's appears it's a scoop hole. Man, that does go to show how easily the eye can be deceived with these images.

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reply posted on 13-2-2013 @ 04:48 PM by eriktheawful

Originally posted by symptomoftheuniverse

thankyou very much, at last i can relax. Its a hole. Thankyou contributers and im sorry if i have irked people. Its a hole.
My pic does not look like a hole though, my eyes have been decieved. Never trust your eyes,i will be less trusting of my own from now on.

You're welcome.

Actually, many people can see that same trick, where something that is sinking down, is actually sticking up. Topography photos from high altitude of Mars can look that way too.

Go back and look at my to pictures. The top one is the orientation of the original image from NASA. Take a look at those orange balls that are debris from the drill near the edge of the hole. They look strange. Yet when we flip it (my second photo), they look normal.

It looks like the camera was over angled from the hole (not looking straight up and down birds eye view). You'd get the same effect if you took a shovel out in your yard, dug a small hole then look straight down into it, then lean forward about a foot while still looking at the hole.

Just a bit of a optical illusion is all.

reply posted on 13-2-2013 @ 04:49 PM by symptomoftheuniverse

Originally posted by tsurfer2000h
reply to post by symptomoftheuniverse

i also can not see and drill debris,not in the hole or around it.supposed hole. Does it really look like hole to anybody?

And how much fine dust do you expect to see?

Here this should help explain the drill marks...

science.nbcnews.com...

Those are drill marks and that is a rock...Sorry but it isn't metallic nor is it something that is hidden on the Mars surface...

Actually it is something hiding.... A rock..

the raw images above must have been earlier than mine because the spheres are missing. It was the shiny bottom/tip which threw me. It still looks metallic to me.

reply posted on 13-2-2013 @ 04:51 PM by blackcube

Just a little fun about subject of optical illusion

en.wikipedia.org...

Just check the image... Your brain can do crazy stuff

I checked the image in an image editor. Yes! square A and B square has the same color, but you brain will say they don't

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reply posted on 13-2-2013 @ 04:52 PM by Soylent Green Is People

Originally posted by symptomoftheuniverse
...Does it really look like hole to anybody?

Yes. Look at the shadows:

EDIT TO ADD:

I now see in this post (quoted below) that you do realize it is a hole. I'm going to leave this picture (above) up anyway, just because I took the time to make it

Originally posted by symptomoftheuniverse

thankyou very much, at last i can relax. Its a hole. Thankyou contributers and im sorry if i have irked people. Its a hole.
My pic does not look like a hole though, my eyes have been decieved. Never trust your eyes,i will be less trusting of my own from now on.

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reply posted on 13-2-2013 @ 04:53 PM by Aleister

Originally posted by blackcube
Just a little fun about subject of optical illusion

en.wikipedia.org...

Just check the image... Your brain can do crazy stuff I checked the image in an image editor. Yes! square A and B square has the same color, but you brain will say they don't
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