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Originally posted by jaffer44
Quoting the manifesto is not evedence there are a lot of unaswer'd questions surround it.
I know this is not the point of this thread just trying to show you all this evedence you think you know about is not evedence at all
Except his ex-lawyer /ex lapd captains daughter and fiance... Most of the evidence points to Dorner committing those murders and i think they were holding only onto taco bell burritos... Which if Dorner did murder them the whole he only shot at armed thugs is wrong... Lets wait for more evidence before convicting, condemning, or praising him for only going after *the man*
Originally posted by jaffer44
reply to post by Wrabbit2000
Also all eyewitness that I have seen him that didn't pull a gun on him are still alive
Now he could have only shot back at police because he was defending himself.
If you think thats a joke you are right because because we wouldn't know without the courts.
But it's no less valid then all the crap being given to us by the msmedit on 13-2-2013 by jaffer44 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by impaired
reply to post by Wrabbit2000
And once again - this all comes down to skipping due process of the law, which is NOT GOOD and very serious.
And it happened right on national TV. I hope the FBI or some type of a trustworthy entity of IA will go after this.
No one in America - regardless of the crime(s) they have "allegedly committed" should have their right to their day in court taken away like this. It's unconstitutional, and we here at ATS are (I thought) very pro-constitutional???
Terrorists in GITMO are still in jail, waiting to go through with their trial.
How can some people not see how messed up this is? I am astounded at the people who are disregarding due process. Frankly, it's scary.
So how many dead cops would have been enough? Another 2? 3? How many before they either shot the house to pieces in a cross fire 'just to be sure', or burned it down anyway? This was not a man who "maybe" committed a crime. He'd outright said, in his own words, he was going to war with police. He was in a GUN BATTLE with TWO different city policdepartments .....and most shockingly... he actually broke contact and got CLEAR of both.
Growing up around the police culture and cops, that last detail made him infinitely more dangerous in my mind...and I wasn't the one being actively hunted. The cops were, as he declared himself. he'd kill them, anywhere he could ...and he did just that.
So.... Again, you have a rabid dog surrounded. Now what? Storming a house only works with people who aren't LOOKING to die and simply take more with them. If they had gone in, lost half a dozen more guys, we'd all be calling the :LAPD criminally negligent for that.
Originally posted by jaffer44
reply to post by Wrabbit2000
your asking why we think he is a hero
I think there is only one or two post here saying that I defently am not saying that and will not defend him at all for killing people.
That was not the point of this thread
FBI admits agents used incendiary device in Waco
Posted: Wednesday, August 25, 1999
By ALICE ANN LOVE
Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) - Taking back previous disavowals, the FBI now admits that federal agents fired one or more incendiary tear gas canisters during the 1993 standoff with Branch Davidian cult members in Texas, a federal law enforcement official says.
The agency, however, still maintains it did not start the fire that consumed the Davidians' compound with leader David Koresh and more than 80 followers inside. The April 19, 1993, inferno ended a 51-day siege by federal agents trying to serve a warrant for Koresh's arrest on firearms and explosive charges.
While all these theories have a *maybe be, could of been* I would like to counter that with Dorner was WAY hostile to the LAPD, he was shooting at and killing some more officers before he barricaded himself into the cabin. Burning himself alive would not garner anymore sympathy then that is already out there... He would of wanted to take more of the SOB he hated. He bought a little bit a time in the cabin and could of completed more of his main objective before being taken out, (killing more cops).. All his actions up to now show us he isn't a light himself on fire like a peaceful monk and protest the man... If that was his goal he would of off'ed himself way long ago... The cops shot incendiary grenades into the cabin, most likely to draw him out in the open so they could switzzcheese him..
Originally posted by Domo1
There is a rather large difference between a homeowner chucking these canisters into a home and a SWAT team doing it. You would also probably get laughed out of court if you just randomly started shooting at your home. In
Another thing to consider is that the guy set the fire himself to gain sympathy and foster even more distrust for LE. I read somewhere that they heard a single gunshot from the cabin when the fire broke out.
Originally posted by pacifier2012
the duty the Police have to protect me is to do whatever they need to to take him down by whatever means is the least risk to them. Shot, burn, blow up, whatever.
You are a very sick and selfish person. Money and material things will be a curse around your neck all your life.
The police have no legal duty to protect citizens... Shooter walks into a school, front desk calls 911 and tells them someone is shooting 911 dispatches officers to school, officers wait 15 min until shots have stopped being fired before going on..... Same with a gang related shooting, they wait until its over and come to clean up the bodies.... The LAPD was not protecting anyone in SOCAL other them themselves
Originally posted by Revealation
Originally posted by pacifier2012
the duty the Police have to protect me is to do whatever they need to to take him down by whatever means is the least risk to them. Shot, burn, blow up, whatever.
You are a very sick and selfish person. Money and material things will be a curse around your neck all your life.
Their duty is to "PROTECT YOU" by 'WHATEVR MEANS" ? Yet you have the audacity to call Somebody sick and selfish.
A police dog and teenage suspect James Connelly died in the incident.
Despite the fire risk, police and SWAT guidelines do not address the issue.
May 30, 2001 ... The pyrotechnic tear gas fired by Boynton Beach police uses a burning canister that remains hot for at least several minutes. It is similar to ...
Newer and safer products can be substituted for flammable tear gas canisters, said Andy Casavant, a training specialist with the Police Training Institute at the University of Illinois.
"A number of buildings have been burned to the ground," he said of pyrotechnic tear gas. "There's always that potential."