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Acceptance Of Homosexuality Leads To Extinction

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posted on Feb, 13 2013 @ 06:54 AM
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Ahh. Your edit made a world of difference. Clunch confused me. I couldn't fathom why more hard clay was wanted or needed. But, I see that you edited the word to make it read "clunge". Oh you scamp...

Makes sense now




posted on Feb, 13 2013 @ 07:05 AM
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Great thread, LL!

The position reflected in the title is TOTALLY fear-based. It's irrational and frankly ignorant to think that an acceptance of homosexuality will lead to everyone being homosexual.
It's taking an idea to the most illogical and unlikely extreme to justify a position of hatred. Think of the FEAR people have of homosexuals to think that they have the power and desire to change everyone into being gay. It's sad that people live in so much fear.

This thread shows me a couple of sad facts about people.


1. Far too many read the title and don't bother with the content. :shk:
2. People who hate the idea of homosexuality USE this silly argument (Acceptance Of Homosexuality Leads To Extinction) to "logically" justify their hatred of and inability to accept those who are different than they are.

It's much like using the silly argument that Obama is a "foreign Muslim socialist" to "logically" justify their hatred of and inability to accept that a black man is in the White House. Totally fear-based.

I am not a "breeder", but I have NO fear that the species will die out. It's in our genes, whether we're gay or not. Look at all the gay people who have kids! Even if some people's worst fears were realized - if somehow the most hateful homophobe were to be convinced to "turn gay", they do not give up their biology. They can and do still reproduce. We have the technology.


The only thing acceptance of homosexuality would lead to is a more loving, accepting, equal and honorable world.
Of course, not everyone wants that... But I think the time is coming where the haters and fear-mongers will be out-numbered in large enough numbers that we, as a society, will move on to our real issues.


Homosexuality exists. Let go of the fear and hatred.



posted on Feb, 13 2013 @ 07:09 AM
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Originally posted by infowarrior9970
I agree with the statement.

Homosexuality does leads to extinction. If we were all gay ..we'd stop reproducing and eventually die out in a few generations.

unless gay men started impregnating gay women all of a sudden.. but last I checked they don't like each other very much

edit on 13-2-2013 by infowarrior9970 because: corrections


Not true. I know several gay couples who worked together to produce offspring so they wouldn't have to go through the red tape of adoption. They are very capable of doing so.



posted on Feb, 13 2013 @ 07:19 AM
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Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
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HOWEVER, and here's the salient point, I was not saying homosexuality acceptance was singularly capable of negatively causing the extinction of the species, only that it, in addition to other factors, it will increase the decrease in population growth over time and be proportionate to the amount of acceptance of homosexual activity


I understand you had meant it as a co-factor. I didn't feel I could address that idea and include all those variables so I isolated it. My point then would be, the stats show that Agenda 21, malicious eugenicists, or all those factors you speak of, are not yet 'proportionate to the amount of acceptance of homosexuality'. In these areas, at least the ones I listed, population is still growing. On top of that global population is growing, and projected to continue growing (assuming of course those projections can be trusted).
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the continued increase in population growth is isolated to muslim and catholic populations, almost exclusively, islam in particular. and this is because 1) they don't believe in abortion, 2) they are increasing in african populations that were hithertofore mostly catholic, and although catholic families have been encouraged by the vatican in times past, to not use contraceptives or abortion, and to have large families, they do not have the added incentive of polygamy nor caveats where you could marry a person just long enough to have sex with them and possibly impregnate them.

so overall, countries where islam is a significant part of the population, you have increases in population growth that are larger than any other single group on the planet, even dwarfing out of wedlock pregnancies in the non-islamic populace at large, many of which end in abortions anyway, particularly in the western world. And 3) because they are migrating to western countries in large numbers, particular european countries and are enjoying privileged status of not being subjected to the same level of scrutiny for having huge families with multiple wives, each of whom is receiving subsistence. This in turn, provides incentives to have more babies and more wives, thereby also fulfilling their roles as good muslims. Finally, 4) they don't believe in the practice of, nor encouragement of, homosexuality, in their population.

Check your map, the only thing that is stopping the downward trend of population growth is the spread of islam in african countries that were formerly catholic and western countries with social assistance programs for families of protected status.




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posted on Feb, 13 2013 @ 07:19 AM
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Another rational voice! Thank you!

What they also don't seem to realise is that the sooner they stop with their hating the sooner the gays, those that are "in your face" won't feel the need to be so militant because they would not have reason to be! But trying to reason with an unreasonable person doesn't get you very far!



posted on Feb, 13 2013 @ 07:23 AM
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What about China and India?

2nd



posted on Feb, 13 2013 @ 07:28 AM
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I don't mean any particular country.

So you are asking us then to believe the Worlds homosexual percentage is going to increase to 25% when currently it's viewed as 3-10%? Why?


I couldn't view the full list on your link, I'm not gonna register to do so.

I didn't register. I see all of them.


While you were looking into annual population growth rates you entirely neglected to mention that all of those countries are in the lower end of that spectrum.

I even mentioned there were 18 countries with negative growth in my OP. Not sure where you get off saying I am neglecting.

I didn't neglect that at all. It's erroneous to the point.

The point was simple. If being more accepting towards homosexuality is a catalyst to homosexuality leading towards drastic decline in population (even extinction) as many claim, do we currently see evidence of a reduction in birth rates/population growth in areas that are more 'accepting'. No. We do not. Do you think I should use a different list of countries to show this?


"Homosexuality isn't hurting population growth", well it sure isn't helping either!

Was that a claim of the OP? That homosexuality is "helping"?


This thread is leftist disinformation..

Naturally
And what you're promoting is the truth, naturally



None of those countries, nor any country yet period, have a gay population high enough to adequately illustrate your point.

I think you're confused on the point.



posted on Feb, 13 2013 @ 07:36 AM
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Originally posted by wiser3
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What about China and India?

2nd


china wiped out an entire generation of females with their one child policy (they have since made it illegal to check baby gender first but took almost 30 years of the one child policy before they did. this is a cultural problem related to male children being their parents social security for old age). so in the next 40 years, as the current female population dies off, their population will not grow in size, but instead will either have zero growth or, in the event of war, catastrophe or plague, decrease.

the vedic texts of india, encourage the killing of female infants and fetuses, due to the dowry system. as a result, indian women have been seeking out modern technology to tell them if the baby is female or not before deciding on abortion. i have no idea how long this went on before the government tried to stop it, but many families can't afford dowries, so they secretly kill their female infants anyway, with or without an abortion. so my guess is, india's population will not be increasing in the next 40 years, due to the advent of gender tests and abortion. if their population appears to be increasing, there's a good chance its from immigration of islam into india or islamization of sectors of india.
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posted on Feb, 13 2013 @ 07:39 AM
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Im shocked this thread has been allowed as when i made a thread about the possible medical reasons behind homosexuality i got accused of spreading hate speech ny donttreadonme and the thread deleted despite it being a structured adult conversation without any nastyness. Why the double standards ats?



posted on Feb, 13 2013 @ 07:39 AM
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First for the OP in answer to your thread question, I agree with you that there will not be a decline in the population rate because of homosexuality.

As for the crazy notion that if a gay couple be it two women or two men living together that the children would be prone to becoming gay themselves is stupid. Someone cannot make someone else gay you either are or you or not and you enjoy life as best you can, hopefully without morons spouting stupid stuff in your face.

I do not put my sexuality in anyones space and hope and pray they do not put theirs in my space but this notion that children learn to be gay is stupid, not because a teacher is gay, not because of a scoutmaster and not because they see a gay couple holding hands or because society allows them to marry as two people that love one another it does not make someone else gay.

And to believe that it is because of a chemical in-balance....well that is something that would be corrected after birth so I would say negative to that theory as well. Perhaps more studies will some day determine a cause....but actually a cause is not important to me...I am who I am now and do not need confirmation from anyone as to who I am and all the theories in the world would not change it nor would I want too...I like who I am.



posted on Feb, 13 2013 @ 07:44 AM
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You may be right but I consider there to be a world of difference between free speech and hate speech. Now I will defend everyone's right to free speech, but when that is designed to be hateful and divisive I think there needs to be a line in the sand. Especially on a public forum like this where younger kids may be reading. If you were an impressionable younger teen already feeling insecure about homosexual feelings, to read that homosexuality is a mental deficiency is going to do more harm to that individual than I feel is acceptable. It is a backward bigoted attitude which we can all do well without. I am very happy to see the post has been removed. Remember, debate and free speech are all well and good until some poor kid goes and hurts himself. This is still happening all too often.



posted on Feb, 13 2013 @ 07:51 AM
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Why cant the medical reaso.s behind homosexuality be discussed. In 100 years if medical science proves homosexuality to be a medical disorder how much of an idiot will you look for denying open unbiased debate on the issue and making it a taboo subject so scoentists leave the research alone from fear of reprisals from the pc brigade



posted on Feb, 13 2013 @ 07:54 AM
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Aparently political correctness outranks structured scientific research these dsys. Doesnt look like we will be progressing much as a race from here on in.



posted on Feb, 13 2013 @ 07:55 AM
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In 100 years if medical science proves homosexuality to be a medical disorder

Can you connect this to the thread topic in a cogent argument?

Also did you read the whole OP?



posted on Feb, 13 2013 @ 07:58 AM
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I was directly replying to something somebody has said. Also i havent read the whole thread as im on a mobile phone



posted on Feb, 13 2013 @ 08:20 AM
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Honestly who cares if it did? There are 7 billion people here on Earth....

Humans aren't a endangered species.



posted on Feb, 13 2013 @ 08:23 AM
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Stay in the closet like the past and I am happy....

This global acceptance crap makes me want to puke everytime I see 2 guys or 2 girls kissing in public.....

My opinion and mine only, I don't push it on anyone like you are trying to do here.....

Your thread to accept homosexuality because the world will make babies regardless statement makes me want to puke also.....

Most people won't say what I did but when they are done typing their politically correct statement into this thread, they think the exact same way as I do......



posted on Feb, 13 2013 @ 08:28 AM
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This thread shows me a couple of sad facts about people.

1. Far too many read the title and don't bother with the content.

2. People who hate the idea of homosexuality USE this silly argument (Acceptance Of Homosexuality Leads To Extinction) to "logically" justify their hatred of and inability to accept those who are different than they are.

It's much like using the silly argument that Obama is a "foreign Muslim socialist" to "logically" justify their hatred of and inability to accept that a black man is in the White House. Totally fear-based.


Agree 100%!!

ATS holds many members who these loop holes to spew their hatred, hating yet "politically correct".

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People are born gay, but i need to know more... on why it is happening.

It is natural, but what makes it so?

All i can think of is its either:

A: Hormonal Imbalance during fetus developmental - in a normal natural way.

B: Hormonal triggers activate due to psychological stimuli - which is still innate and latent.

c: Hormonal production during puberty stage.... this is what i favour more, because it is when i noticed girls to be something curious...
!


Im not sure why people shy away from such topics, like it is a taboo to speak about it.



posted on Feb, 13 2013 @ 08:47 AM
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Originally posted by Chrisfishenstein
Stay in the closet like the past and I am happy....


Gay people aren't concerned with making you happy.
That's your job. If you're not happy, that's YOUR failing.



Most people won't say what I did but when they are done typing their politically correct statement into this thread, they think the exact same way as I do......


Some do agree with you. And if they do, they will say so. But to presume that people who DO accept homosexuality actually feel as you do, but are lying, is highly inaccurate.

What floors me is that those who want to re-closet gay people are many times, the same ones who preach "freedom" and individuality.
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posted on Feb, 13 2013 @ 08:56 AM
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Great thread!


I think people fear what they do not understand. For the majority of homophobic's they fear gay people because they have not taken the time to put them self in their shoes and understand the confusion that takes place at such an early age. I grew up with a lesbian and she and I are still friends. I feel as though I knew she was "different" than me before she did or accepted such.

Society can be so cruel.



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