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I do, indeed.
My apologies for everyone who will not bother to read past the OP and make some wild delusional claim that you are a homophobe
They are in fact based only on personal experience and subjective morality.
Homosexuals have been around since the begnning of time, if acceptance of homosexuality led to extinction humans would have become extinct centuries ago!
Even if every single person on the planet turned gay right now we wouldn't go extinct, we are advanced enough to stop that happening through artificial impregnation etc.
The Greeks and Romans come to mind. Obviously they did not suffer any citizenship shortages from these practices at all.
We are so, so much more than what we do in our crotch. Truly, we are.
Very telling about how decisions are made about a topic..
But, I saw that you were the OP and I figured that there had to be a gotcha inside. You didn't disappoint.
To what extent is it on the rise? In the "civilized world" or anywhere else?
According to the U.S. Census Bureau, which began asking questions about same-sex household information in the 1990 Census, only 581,300 individuals were part of a same-sex household in 2009. That’s less than one-half of one percent (0.5 percent) of the 307 million people living in the U.S. in 2009.
Furthermore, data from the Census Bureau's 2010 Demographic Profile shows that “same-sex spouses” accounted for a mere 2.5 percent of the U.S. population, which is nearly 8 million people out of the total 309 million Americans.
Another “surprise” that really should not be so surprising is a new study that has been released found that ‘Gay’ family kids are seven times more likely to be homosexual. The study revealed that children adopted by homosexual couples are seven times more likely to develop non-heterosexual preferences than other children. “Research… although not definitive, suggests that children reared by openly homosexual parents are far more likely to engage in homosexual behavior than children raised by others,” said the online report by Trayce L. Hansen, Ph.D.
Hansen’s report further states:
“Many of these researchers, as well as others, admit that acknowledging differences between homosexually- and heterosexually-parented children would be detrimental to their goals of wide-spread social acceptance of same-sex marriage, homosexual adoption, homosexual foster parenting, etc. The circumstances under which children are reared are immensely important to a civilization. Earlier social experiments, such as no-fault divorce and the broad acceptance of single motherhood, resulted in disaster by increasing the number of fatherless children, many who now fill our prisons and welfare rolls. Policy makers, judges, and citizens need to know the truth: children need fathers and changing legal standards such as the definition of marriage will deliberately deprive even more children of them.”
– WorldNetDaily.com
June 8, 2009
The more gay people you have the less natural reproduction will occur, thats simple logic, wouldn't you agree?
To my knowledge it really only goes back to Greece. In all of the ancient Babylonian, Egyptian and etc. Middle Eastern texts I've read I don't recall homosexuality ever being present.
9660 to 5000 BC
Mesolithic rock art in Sicily depicts phallic male figures in pairs that have been interpreted variously, including as hunters, acrobats, religious initiates and depictions of homosexual intercourse.[1]
7000 to 1700 BC
Among the sexual depictions in Neolithic and Bronze Age drawings and figurines from the Mediterranean are, as one author describes it, a "third sex" human figure having female breasts and male genitals or without distinguishing sex characteristics. In Neolithic Italy, female images are found in a domestic context, while images that combine sexual characteristics appear in burials or religious settings; in Neolithic Greece and Cyprus, figures are often dual-sexed or without identifying sexual characteristics.[2]
22nd century BC
Pepi II Neferkare governs as Egyptian pharaoh. A later tale, King Neferkare and General Sasenet, suggests a homosexual interpretation around nocturnal visits to his General[3][3][4]
And where have you seen this? I haven't seen it anywhere but this thread.
DEAR GOD. NEVERMIND. I thought we were no longer in the cro-magnon era of human history, and then I read 0mage's post.
This kind of info isn't easy to find but its there.
The University of Chicago’s National Opinion Research Center, which has been conducting scientifically designed surveys on homosexuality for close to 30 years – far longer than the U.S. Census Bureau – found the percentage of gays, lesbians, and bisexuals in the United States in 2008 was 2 percent – a number that has been stable since the late ‘80s, according to Tom Smith
So I answered your question, now will you answer mine?
we must remember that homosexuality in ancient times was a different thing, back in the day..
they just messed around with other males and females but they STILL made children...
in these days there are alot of gay people who would never sleep with the opposite sex,,,
Originally posted by solve
reply to post by Lucid Lunacy
we must remember that homosexuality in ancient times was a different thing, back in the day..
they just messed around with other males and females but they STILL made children...
in these days there are alot of gay people who would never sleep with the opposite sex,,,
many were bisexuals... it was rare that someone would be a "pure gay"....
Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by 1/2 Nephilim
This kind of info isn't easy to find but its there.
Wait. What? You are equating same sex households/spouses with the number of homosexuals and ignore cultural factors? But why did you ignore this:
The University of Chicago’s National Opinion Research Center, which has been conducting scientifically designed surveys on homosexuality for close to 30 years – far longer than the U.S. Census Bureau – found the percentage of gays, lesbians, and bisexuals in the United States in 2008 was 2 percent – a number that has been stable since the late ‘80s, according to Tom Smith
cnsnews.com...
So I answered your question, now will you answer mine?
I'll say, reluctantly, as you word the question, maybe. But for the most part your question is meaningless. You assume that all heterosexuals have children. You assume that no homosexuals do. Most of all you imply that there has been a relative increase in the number of homosexuals. But in spite of the continuing existence of homosexuals for millennia, the population increases. Your question is moot.edit on 2/13/2013 by Phage because: (no reason given)
I feel the OP is biased in not showing the extent to which homosexuality is on the rise in the "civilized world". Right now, it isn't substantially diminishing any population figures
Yes you did. And you implied that there has been a relative increase in the number of homosexuals.
I most certainly did not ignore it.
Flat, for 30 years? How do you get that from 2 data points? But help me out here, when was it first possible for homosexuals to be married in the US? And you think that represents an increase in the number of homosexuals?
A steady, flat 2% across the board for 30 years and then 2.5% in 2010 which only includes those that are married.
So what? A couple. Two people. One child, two children. How is that a different birth rate than a heterosexual couple?
Do they reproduce naturally, noooo.
Originally posted by 1/2 Nephilim
I do not assume that all heterosexual couples have children but I undoubtedly know that same-sex couples never have children, thats not an assumption. Do they adopt, sure? Do they use surrogates, yep. Do they reproduce naturally, noooo.
C'mon now, your smarter than that.
but I undoubtedly know that same-sex couples never have children, thats not an assumption. Do they adopt, sure? Do they use surrogates, yep. Do they reproduce naturally, noooo.
Originally posted by 1/2 Nephilim
reply to post by Phage
[quote]
According to the U.S. Census Bureau, which began asking questions about same-sex household information in the 1990 Census, only 581,300 individuals were part of a same-sex household in 2009. That’s less than one-half of one percent (0.5 percent) of the 307 million people living in the U.S. in 2009.
Furthermore, data from the Census Bureau's 2010 Demographic Profile shows that “same-sex spouses” accounted for a mere 2.5 percent of the U.S. population, which is nearly 8 million people out of the total 309 million Americans.
So thats an increase from less than 0.5% in 2009 to 2.5% in 2010. Funnily enough the article goes on to say “In general, these figures have changed little from our first studies in the late 1980s through 2010,”
Hinduism is one of the world’s oldest religions, and Hindus constitute a sixth of the world’s population today. Most Hindus live in India but there are about 1.5 million Hindus, both Indians and non-Indians, in the United States. As a result, homosexuality is a complex matter in Hinduism and depends heavily on cultural context and tradition.
Hinduism and Sexuality
“Same sex desire and even sexual activity have been represented and discussed in Indian literature for two millennia, often in a nonjudgmental and even celebratory manner,” according to Hindu scholar Ruth Vanita. For example, the erotic sculptures on ancient Hindu temples at Khajuraho and Konarak, and the sacred texts in Sanskrit constitute irrefutable evidence that a whole range of sexual behavior was known to ancient Hindus. The tradition of representing same-sex desire in literature and art continued in medieval Hinduism.
When Europeans arrived in India, they were shocked by Hinduism, which they termed idolatrous, and by the range of sexual practices, including same-sex relations, which they labeled licentious. British colonial rulers incorporated their homophobic prejudices – largely attributed to certain Christian teachings – into Indian education, law and politics. As a result, homosexuality was made illegal in 1861, when British rulers codified a law prohibiting carnal or lustful intercourse “against the order of nature” with any man, woman, or animal – in other words, any sex that is not between a man and a woman with the aim of reproduction is outlawed. Thus, the marginal homophobic trend in pre-colonial India became dominant in modern India. Some Indian nationalists, including Hindus, internalized Victorian ideals of heterosexual monogamy and disowned indigenous traditions that contravened those ideals. Homosexuality remained a criminal offense in India until 2009 when New Delhi’s highest court deemed this colonial era law unconstitutional.t