Acceptance Of Homosexuality Leads To Extinction, page 1

Please read entire post.

We have all heard this said many many times on ATS and elsewhere:

Homosexuality leads to extinction.

Accepting homosexuality is the catalyst.

I am creating this thread in the hope we can all be as honest and objective as possible. Please put forth evidence to substantiate the premise, or evidence to the contrary. My hope is that it will become clear this gloomy fear is not supported by observable truths. My hope is then people on ATS will stop spreading what I strongly feel is misinformation.

I will be using 10 of the Gay Friendliest Countries in the World for the rest of the post. I then plugged each country into Worldbank.org to see both crude birth rates and population growth.

Derived from total population. Population source: (1) United Nations Population Division. World Population Prospects, (2) United Nations Statistical Division. Population and Vital Statistics Reprot (various years), (3) Census reports and other statistical publications from national statistical offices, (4) Eurostat: Demographic Statistics, (5) Secretariat of the Pacific Community: Statistics and Demography Programme, and (6) U.S. Census Bureau: International Database.

Birth rate, crude (per 1,000 people)
Crude birth rate indicates the number of live births occurring during the year, per 1,000 population estimated at midyear. Subtracting the crude death rate from the crude birth rate provides the rate of natural increase, which is equal to the rate of population change in the absence of migration.


United States 14
Argentina 17
Belguim 12
Canada 11
Denmark 11
Iceland 15

Netherlands 11
Norway 13
South Africa 21
Spain 11
Sweden 12

As you can see acceptance of homosexuality in these countries has not stopped the "breeders" from making babies.

Population growth (annual %)
Population growth (annual %) is the exponential rate of growth of midyear population from year t-1 to t, expressed as a percentage.
2008-2012

United States .7%
Argentina .9%
Belguim 1.0%
Canada 1.0%
Denmark .5%
Iceland .3%
Netherlands .5%
Norway 1.3%
South Africa 1.2%
Spain .4%
Sweden .8%

Unless I counted wrong there are 18 countries in the World with a negative growth rate. My list of countries have positive, not negative, growth rates. So despite the acceptance of homosexuality in these countries, heterosexuals are able to birth enough babies to continue an increase in population.

Be sure to click this link to compare the stats to all other countries.

What about the World in general?




According to UN projections and US Census Bureau the world population may rise to 16 billion by 2100; according to the lowest estimate, it may decline to only 6 billion.


Homosexuality makes up an estimated 3-10% (from what I have seen) of the World population. Homosexuality is not contagious! (it hurts to even have to say that). There will continue to be 90-97% heterosexuals in the World, potentially making babies.

reply to post by Lucid Lunacy

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I am not allowed to have a position? Based on the evidence I see this concern is not rational. BUT I am open to seeing evidence to the contrary.

Of course you can have a position...of your choice.
The thing is you will find no evidence on the pro side of the debate because there is none. Homosexuality has existed for as long as the genus homo.
So a simple "no" is adequate.

reply to post by Phage

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I assume you know my position is NOT on the pro side? That should have been clear in the post...

I do not believe homosexuality will lead to extinction or even a lower world population!

My point of making this post was to hopefully show that sufficiently so people will stop saying it so much on ATS.

But I am open to seeing seeing any contrary evidence and arguments.

So a simple "no" is adequate.

I agree. But not everyone does. That's why I made the thread

reply to post by Lucid Lunacy

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I assume you know my position is NOT on the pro side?

I do, indeed.

to anyone who thinks homosexuality will lead to a reduced birthrate and then eventually extinction...
ummm...

The demographic-economic paradox is the inverse correlation found between wealth and fertility within and between nations. The higher the degree of education and GDP per capita of a human population, subpopulation or social stratum, the fewer children are born in any industrialized country.

en.wikipedia.org...

national success and development leads to extinction
fear this instead

Originally posted by Danbones
to anyone who thinks homosexuality will lead to a reduced birthrate and then eventually extinction...
ummm...

The demographic-economic paradox is the inverse correlation found between wealth and fertility within and between nations. The higher the degree of education and GDP per capita of a human population, subpopulation or social stratum, the fewer children are born in any industrialized country.

en.wikipedia.org...

national success and development leads to extinction
fear this instead

or erm..ya..what he said.
( really should read to the end before commenting. I am so redundant)

reply to post by SaturnFX

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that is the only connection between populations slowing growth in said countrys.

The stats show an increase in population in said countries. Was my post that confusing? Hmm. I can edit if you point out where I went wrong.

reply to post by Lucid Lunacy

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I don't think that infowarrior read the complete OP AND I don't believe that infowarrior has the ability to read and understand the graphs and statistics or understand the question!

Homosexuals have been around since the begnning of time, if acceptance of homosexuality led to extinction humans would have become extinct centuries ago!

reply to post by Lucid Lunacy

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Dear Lucid Lunacy,

Pop history and bad statistics are unimpressive. Try reading Arnold J. Toynbee, he wrote about what causes societies to thrive and die, it is not homosexuality, lol. You need to learn history, there are just as many gays today as there ever been, the percentage is sort of a constant. It is not as if some years we produce more gays than others. The birth rate is not going down because there are more gays, it going down because heterosexuals are having fewer children. Check the numbers and take responsibility, how many kids do you have? I have three. I did my part and I am straight and preach.

reply to post by Lucid Lunacy

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No, I don't think it would. Not even if all of a sudden every single person was gay. There are other ways of making a baby then a man and a woman "sleeping" together. The old Turkey juicer method and I know of a few gay women who have slept with men because let's face it, it is cheaper than going to a sperm bank.

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