Next or Last Pope? Pontificate of Tribulations?Holy see moved away of Rome? Great Apostasy?

The Church Must respond to the demands of Heaven. There is new devotion introduced to the Sacred Heart of Joseph, together with the Sacred Hearts of Jesus and Mary (now called all sacred), in approved by the Church appairition in Itapiranga, Amazon. The Church must act quickly on the new graces given to her!

There is a 1970s devotion to the Flame of Love of Mary's Heart given in Hungary during the Socialist time, to a mother of 6. Now it gets imprimatur from cardinal Erdo of Budapest. Those are new rays of grace that touch not only a handful of seers and their "half crazy" followers. But are intended to touch the entire Church, both catholic, orthodox and other. (because the spiritual church is one).

The leaders of the church must not disregard those supernatural interventions, because in that way they wil disregard their own salvation, let alone the salvation of the people (even if we are talking of a pure physical salvation and not that of the soul). Jesus warned the King of France who was late to fulfill the demands of the Sacred Heart. Mary warned the popes who were late and are still late to fulfill the demands of the Immaculate Heart. Now I don't know of any new demands of Joseph's and the three sacred hearts united, in Itapiranga. There are many secrets in all these apparitions. Someone said Benedict resigned because of a persona message to him. This is unverifiable at that moment.

If tomorrow God provides Elijah's chariots to get out of the planet that will be struck with any cataclysm (at this time most likely is the mega solar flare, but also others). then the Church must obey the command of her bridegroom. Or to die in most of her members. The salvation of the soul is not the only care for the church on earth, otherwise it would request the roman emperors to kill of her members in the early centuries. That is an absurd, but that is repeated today only in not so drastic colors. The church must care for the physical continuation of her flock as well. Otherwise there would be angels appointed to lead her, not people. Peter cared for his earthly family. I just cannot stand some fake messages (and they are alot) who speak of how one should prepare for death, and even martyrdom, as if all who listen to it are overaged churchgoers with main task to say 5 rosaries a day and to visit their grandchildren once a three months may be. Is this the church of Christ to continue in 21st century after the cataclysm (or Chastisement)? And how about those grandchildren who seem not to listen carefully even to the basic teachings?

Whether the new pope is called Sherer or otherwise, he must do all of that and more. Otherwise it is over with Rome, and with much of the Earth as well. It won't be anything small as 9/11 was.

The Zophar Hebrew prophecy speaks of a rain of meteorites in 2013.

When I was a kid I lived in Italy. I distinctly remember being told there were to be two popes after John Paul II. The variation I was told was the next one would oversee the end of the Church.

My vote is last pope.

Originally posted by GreenGlassDoor
When I was a kid I lived in Italy. I distinctly remember being told there were to be two popes after John Paul II. The variation I was told was the next one would oversee the end of the Church.

My vote is last pope.

so do I. But it depends what "last pope" means. It may not be now, or any combination. Why pope if Peter was a simple bishop. And so far. In anyway, the responsibility of the next pope is enormous. Not only because of the earthy problems (sex scandal, to feed the hungry etc) but also because of the heavenly demands that are overdue.

I admit the only info of Zophar prophecy for me comes from ExoVaticana www.disclose.tv...
the new book of Tom Horn. As in the thread dedicated to her, I urge utmost caution critical thinking. If you think you will be tempted, don't listen and read. In short, Tom Horn demonizes both the Cath. Church leaders and the yet unseen ET that will come to Vatican, as "souless creatures" who are coming to impose the false prophet. That is quite naive and simplified, when we have a galaxy with 400 billion stars and with all kinds of ET civilizations, and when we have records of GOOD ET in the Bible. Tom Horn prefers to concentrate on the evil ones and to connect them with the Vatican secrets. Good to learn, not good to believe!

It may be the last pope ON EARTH because the Earth civilization will move out of the planet before the cataclysm, and the remaining ones will die. Thousands of years may pass until the Earth is restored back to life and populated. And only then the final end times will happen.

2 Peter speaks of an event of fire. Reread it again. He doesn't speak of the Second Coming, rather of our taking to a new earth (planet). It doesn't match of what we know of the Second Coming when Jesus comes on Earth to judge, and not we go up to a new earth and the old earth is burnt.

Some will say it is the final Judgment Day after the millennium. But I suppose that Peter speaks of ANOTHER EVENT comparable to the flood, with fire, that ony those who will leave the earth (by spaceships and stargates) will survive it. It matches with modern day prophecies who speak of a Chastisement. Not that many of them speak of Second Cmoning of Jesus. There are indeed, but not that many. These wordings are not found in Fatima, not even in La Salette that speaks of the antichrist, not found in any known parts of Garabandal and Medjugorje. The seers there were asked explicitly if the antichrist or the end time were included in their secrets and their answer was NO. Those are old interviews from the early years of the apparition started 1981.

With most of today's apparitions, incl Anguera and Sao Jose dos Pinhais, dealing with secrets, it is hard to determine what exactly will come. We should be prepared for both possibilities. Including the one that I just mentioned - no antichrist (final), no armageddon, no second coming. Yes - planetary chastisement by fre, yes relocation (not rapture but rescue) to another planet, yes angels - extraterrestrials who accompany Virgin Mary and Jesus.

I will quickly accept the other option is true if there is a mandatory mark of the beast.

Or another option is the separation of the timelines for those who leave earth (they will not experience the end times) and those who stay on earth (they will). According to Einstein the time can flow at different rates. Moreover if the earth during the last 3.5 years is enclosed in a kind of a black hole/event horizon thing that slows down the time for many years outside of it. I dont know if this is the real case scenario, just suggestion.
BTW I recommend all readers to deepen their basic knowledge of non-Newtonian physics. There is a lot of stuff on youtube with cartoons that show the basic principles easy to grasp even for children. It is a must basic knowledge for everyone. It is proven to be rea, we are not talking of science fiction. Learn as much as you can, while all of that stuff is freely available on internet. You wil need it tomorrow for your own discernment of events. Yes the saucers fly thru tunnels, yes that is permissible for the post-Einstein physics. To demonize someone without proofs is to take someone else agenda. Perhaps someone else ET that wants to demonize the first one. I entered deeper into the matter, and I can tell you such ET do exist, who look like human, who preach light an dlove, who demonize those who do not look like human, but at the same time who denounce the Bible as a historic document, jesus Christ as a historic person, and the entire human history and philosophy. Their name is Andromedans after the galaxy they come from. But the galaxy itself consists of 1 trillion stars, so there might be many other "Andromedans" who do not share that same view. But these particular ones, known by the revelations of Alex Collier, are dangerous. They are said to come second, and call the first to come the evil ones. (i.e. after the rapture will come other ET with anti-religious agenda). So the questin is much wider than what is flying and to be fast to demonize it because Our Lady does not need saucer to come in apparition. It is we who need the ships, not Our Lady!

Please consider this message of Louise Tomkiel. She speaks a lot of refuges and stockpile on food, angels to lead to refuges. But these are the two unique messages when she speaks of a mysterious "ship"

Unfortunately, the website of prophecies that contained all Louise's messages, is down. This is found in blogs. Louise passed away in 2011.

Extremely and Imminently Urgent Message via Louise Starr Tomkiel, V+J June 9, 2004 --1:20 A.M. Louise began to receive a message from Jesus and said, "Jesus, please cover me with Your Most Precious Blood." Then Jesus spoke, "I stand ready at the helm of My ship which soon will set sail. We will pass through the great pillars leaving the turbulent seas behind and navigate our way into the safe harbor of the Three Hearts; the Hearts of your Jesus, your mother Mary and daddy Joseph. Here you will find safe refuge from the battle that rages about you. Here alone will you find true peace. Covered with the mantle of Divine Love you will find rest for your weary soul. My ship will sail safely through the darkest of night, unseen and unheard. It will withstand many storms as it is propelled by the Breath of the Holy Spirit. It has provisions for 3 1/2 years for all My precious remnant- -men, women, children and various animals. The light will come from the Light of Christ and the Spirit's Breath will provide the pure air needed for the entire journey. I invite you, My precious few, to be ready to board at My command. Fear not for it will be smooth sailing even in the roughest of seas. Michael and his legions of Angels are now on standby. All is ready and the darkest hour is approaching very quickly. Watch and pray for Our Father is about to signal His Angels and the trumpets will blast alerting His faithful ones that departure time is upon you."


Thursday, August 26, 1999
Louise started to receive a locution from The Lord and said: "Jesus, please cover me with Your Most Precious Blood."
Then Jesus said: "The ship will sail at midnight." It will not dock in familiar waters but in a port where all is new, clean and peaceful. Make ready now for the hour of departure is at hand.
Only My own faithful Remnant will be able to understand and discern this statement.
PRAY!
Your Loving, Merciful Lord

Another US seer/locutionist is Carol Ameche. The site dedicated to her is still online. Perhaps you can read the message where she speaks that the whole heaven rejoices of the work of another seer John (Leary) and that seer will travel to the ends of the Universe for his mission. Carol adds, she doesn't know what the word Universe means...for those who read her who are almost all fundamental catholics. Of course she knows and all of us know what the Universe means. I have reservations to John Leary as of sequence of events because he envisions pretty fast rise of the antichrist after the Great Warning, lasting until the Chastisement. Well that may be one possibility too. Frankly, I don't want to be among those who will prove it to be right or wrong while staying on Earth and denying the salvation of Our Lord "to escape all those things"

Will there be a fast sequence of events as given in Revelation 14:
1. Rapture (144,000++), 2. Fall of Babylon, 3. Great Warning the 3 angelic warnings, 4. second rapture of multitude on the sea of glass mingled with fire that didn't receive the Mark of the Beast(still voluntary because they are not martyrs) in Revelation 15, followed by the 7 last bowls of God's wrath?

Are we in that time? Or may be centuries and thousands of years separate us from that time? I don't know. It seems some want the events to happen now, others want to play them out for the public, still others as the Russian patriarch want to postpone the Apocalypse and defeat the current personification of the antichrist if there is a such, as he said they did with Napoleon and Hitler. Above all seems a pending solar event (with or without planet X) still awaits the inhabitants of the Earth. For that speak the countless underground facilities in the superpowers.

I don't know which of these possibilities is the real case scenario permitted by God to happen.

english.pravda.ru...
Scientists have managed to conduct a fantastic experiment. With the help of electrodes they tied the brains of two rats living on different continents. Neuroscientists from the Brazilian Institute in Natal brought electrodes to the cerebral cortex of a lab rat. The rodent transmitted the required information to another rat at a university laboratory in North Carolina, says BigPond News. This success opens up the prospect of creating an "organic computer", says Brazilian neuroscientist Miguel Nicolelis.

It is terrible to think about the consequences for human society. Perhaps the antichrist has all the tools needed already at his disposal, should he be permitted to rise. But perhaps something will stop him also this time. As in previous times when the people were sure that is the antichrist. Including the early Christians and Nero. Still we don't know. It may happen as one morning TV address around the world. Seers say, not before the Great Warning takes place. protestants say, not before the Rapture takes place. And for me the rapture and the great warning are pretty much one same event of extraterrestrial spaceship rescue and announcement to the left behinders. Perhaps will be given 1 month period or slightly more in which they would be able to decide to go after the first raptured. Let say the Great Miracle on April 11 (date for 2013) could be a system of stargates around the world on sacred grounds, thru which the God's people could decide to follow their first rescued brothers and sisters in spaceships around the Great Warning. Garabandal sequence says the Miracle will be the last action of God's mercy before the Chastisement. (or before the antichrist's reign that ends with the chastisement - in John Leary's sequence that envisions refuges and angels to leads ut to there right after the Great Warning, he doesn't have miracle, instead "nearest refuge" and "permanent refuge" as well as mysterious angels that should appear out of nowhere). I don't know and don't have answers. I only notice logical sequences of events, named this or that way. It might not be a "rapture" of protestant scholars that see people flying in the air. (even there is such a forum Rapture in the air now). It could be much more physical in nature.

If all the above scenarios of a rapture or a rescue in spaceships before imminent planetary cataclysm are going to happen in one way or another,

then I see the last pope Petrus Romanus as the last pope ON PLANET EARTH and as a martyr. Not as the false prophet.

I doubt the multitudes of left behinders non-catholics will follow the Roman bishop as a false prophet. Much more likely is the rise of a true false prophet from the Middle East, India or may be Pakistan, who will unite religions at that time, of the remaining hardened left behinders. If we are in the End times and not of a planetary cleansing similar to the Flood.

The intake of the Exo topic by Tom Horn is incredible. I will use the space here to comment it because it follows logically the previous posts. However I could do that in the thread exo Vaticana. But definitely I cannot jump from thread to thread. So if the author of this thread invited me politely, I will follow the logical line.

Tom Horn reaches conclusion in the 2h radio interview in Red Ice radio (I think) that the false prophet Petrus Romanus as pope will declare a new dogma. Horn takes the idea of the 5th Marian dogma expected by believers in some apparitions, and changes it into the unbelievable: a dogma to proclaim the brothers in space, not only not contradicting to the belief system (something already declared by Vatican astronomers). And here Tom Horn makes the unbelievable: But also to make it sin not to believe the space brothers. And that the church at that time will have the force to punish every heresy, as it did in the Middle ages, with death.
That is absurd conclusion of such an educated person as Tom Horn. No surprise when the Vatican astronomers in VATT Arizona observatory explained him everything in the command room of the telescopes and showed him UFOs recorded, he said, when they learned of his motives and intentions, they started answering only with Yes and No...

There is a real danger the good ET to come to be demonized, not only by people like Tom Horn but also by protestant (and catholic) preachers.
And after the rapture/rescue to be declared as evil alien abduction.
Then when the really evil ET will come to Earth, They will be declared space saviors. And if it is the End times, they will give the power to the antichrist to rise.

The Revelation is pretty clear - first comes the rapture, then come the locusts, then come the dragon and his angels, then come the beast. We may speculate which is which from the currently known alien races. There are draconians, there are insectoids, there are conformer-transformer silicon - metal based shapeshifters. There are human ET who are good. There are human ET who are so far in their anti-religious rhetoric, that could be called PR of the antichrist. Who himself is a human, not Et.

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The Peace of God to all that belong to the Light,
Dear Readers,

I just want to add, to all what I have said of my personal flashes of intuition with respect to the next Pope, that I do not see an outstanding leader for the world coming soon from the Catholic Church.

I perceive another Pontificate during which the world will experience a lot of expectation of a new leadership for this so complex times of crisis, but that is not going to be really satisfied.

The next Pope will have to lead a church that is going to be extremely fractured in different currents, with conservative sectors opposed to any change, and liberal ones trying to modify in so drastic way what Christianism has been until now.

I am afraid that we are not going to see another John XXIII, or another John Paul II coming soon, but a Pope that will try to maintain a very difficult balance in between many sectors of the church, and whose response to the great challenges of our epoch will not be enough to gain the support of the world.

Now, to the contrary of all what it is said now, Joseph Ratzinger will continue being a very strong figure in the shadows, and in some sense during this next Pontificate he will not assume as passive role as he has announced. The new younger Pope will carry a lot of lack of confidence from the more traditional sectors of the church hierarchy , that they will frequently try to revive the weight of his Predecessor to neutralize many of his attempts to modernize the Church.

So, I don't want to scare nobody here, but what I have seeing is a possible double Papacy running in parallel for a while.

Here there is just a preamble of what is waiting for us in this so complicate conclave:
news.yahoo.com...

Now, in what I coincide with 2012newstart is that without doubt the humanity will experience a so clear close encounter with an alien civilization in the so near future, and that will take place in this next Pontificate. The world is already prepared for this so interesting moment, as global civilization we are going to affront a contact with forms of intelligence life that for the last 70 years we have being speculating about.

Of course this First global contact, since there were many isolated ones in the past, will challenge a lot the institutionalized Religion, is going to be a tremendous test about the different cosmologies we have at present in the world, and Christianism, as all the other great religious traditions of the world, will enter in a huge internal debate of what is the best attitude to assume trying to deal successfully with it.

The point is that the Catholic Church is perhaps the best prepared religious congregation of the world at present to deal with this new dilemma of the extraterrestrial intelligent life, since it has done a lot of carefully and serious research and also planning for this event, along many years of important forums in the subject.

None other important religion is now better informed and also ready for the encounter with a more open mind attitude than Catholicism. There is no crisis of identity at all, or conflict with the belief in God, in this aspect, as it still happen in many sectors of Protestantism and in the Muslim world. In this sphere the Catholic church is showing the world a more modern vision of the future, leaving to the past the fundamental-isms that still prevail in other religions.

Pls read:

www.universetoday.com...

roman-catholic.com...'s.htm

socrates58.blogspot.com...

www.abc.net.au...

www.telegraph.co.uk...

www.reporternews.com...

www.ufoevidence.org...

www.authorstream.com...

www.wired.com...

Thanks for your attention,

The Angel of Lightness

I think it's between him and Cardinal Angelo Bagnasco.

This is just based on a look and feel of the pictures. I saw Ratzinger and knew he would be the next Pope.

Currently a hot discussion is being held among the cardinals. About sex scandal, and other issues.
hosted.ap.org...

www.latimes.com...


12 cardinals HAVEN'T ARRIVED YET. That will postpone the conclave date decision until they arrive in Rome.

I don't want to envision a sort of destruction of Rome predicted by some prophecies, but that is not completely impossible to happen. I quoted Tom Horne's latest interview and he there quotes old Jewish Zohar prophecy that says basically the same. All is in God's hands, as always.

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"Please consider this message of Louise Tomkiel."

Extremely and Imminently Urgent Message via Louise Starr Tomkiel, V+J June 9, 2004 --1:20 A.M. Louise began to receive a message from Jesus and said, "Jesus, please cover me with Your Most Precious Blood." Then Jesus spoke, "I stand ready at the helm of My ship which soon will set sail. We will pass through the great pillars leaving the turbulent seas behind

I dont mean to be disrespectful, but this was 2004, has Jesus ship set sail or not?

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you are not disrespectful. The other message is from 1999. Fatima is from 1917. The prophecy happens slowly and sometimes generations pass. Not this time, I hope. Now we have the last pope to be elected, or none. Rome to fall, or to go irrelevant in history, or to be changed forever. I don't know whether or not we are in the End Times and Great Trib. I list the messages for reference, that there are Catholic messengers (call them prophets if you will) who speak of rapture. Others are Joe Coleman, JNSR. Anguera speaks of "new heavens and new earths" in earlier messages. And so on. Lec of Philippines has wonderful messages - inner locutions from God about the new worlds that expect the rescued people. May be I post them next.

Rapture-related messages of Lec of Philippines,
received thru inner locutions

(different from exterior locutions, and both different from seers of 3D figures of Jesus and Mary, although we tend to call all of them seers. Carol Ameche is exterior locution, I don't know what were with the late Louise Tomkiel, John Leary uses the word "see". However the big Marian apparitions that some of them I spoke before, are in the form of 3D touchable figures of Mary and sometimes Jesus. Such are Fatima, Garabandal, and from the contemporary - Anguera and other Brazilian apparitions. Joe Coleman claims such, although it is controversial for some because it goes in controversy with local church authorities (is this what matters). Special measurement could be made on the people who see 3D figures that proves as in Medjugorje that they do not hallucinate. Still, the official science cannot say what they see or who is appearing).


November 28, 2008
"Son, allow me to use your time to communicate with my faithful people.

I AM the God of heaven and earth and everything that is in the whole of creation. My power extends far beyond what the limits of the human mind can comprehend and yet my mercy and love still cannot be fathomed in its profundity. As I AM the God of the universe and all that has life in it, yet I know very well each one of you and how you love me and my son and how you treat your fellow human beings, your brothers and sisters and your neighbors as well.

The universe is teeming with life in various forms. When you enter into my glory, your eyes will be opened to the great wonders of creation. You will see worlds that will astound you with their wonders and awe inspiring beauty.

Be joyful therefore for your Father loves you and wishes to give you eternal happiness.

November 13, 2008
Son, tell others who need to know of my immediate plans?..to lift them off the face of the earth to bring them to a beautiful, safe place away from the earth. I will let them know in their hearts who they are.my children who are chosen to undergo the TRANSFORMATION in another world before they are brought back to assist their brothers and sisters whose purification remains yet to be completed. I will not tell the exact date so as not to create anxiety but my chosen ones will not be surprised either. They will be informed three (3) days in advance prior to their departure.

Those who will leave in the first group will have the knowledge in their hearts or thru their dreams that they are pre-selected from among many.

posting those alleged prophecies does not mean I believe 100% they determine what happens next, or they are 100% correct. There might be fake messages as well as false apparitions. My approval doesn't mean anything than personal view btw, and none of you need to attack me for what someone don't like in them. I post them for info purpose.

There might well be another long parenthesis in Daniel's prophecy or any other prophecy. We just don't know. However as I watch the world and church alike, I think a big change must occur anyway. Not only to survive but to have a better next generation. Otherwise, the evil will take over if it didn't already. Does it matter if we call it End times or not.

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The Peace of God to all that belong to the Light,
Dear Readers,

I know from long experience that prophecies have their own tempo, in the ultra dimension, where the subconcious mind reaches the collective inconscient the perception of time is absolutely altered, one day can represent a week, one month a year, year a century and so on and so far.

Nobody like the psalmist King David or the Apostol St Peter to explain this with meridian precision:

2 Peter 3:8–9
8 But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and ta thousand years as one day. 9 uThe Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise vas some count slowness, but wis patient toward you,1 xnot wishing that any should perish, but ythat all should reach repentance.

Psalm 90:4
4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

Thanks for your attention,

The Angel of Lightness

Originally posted by The angel of light
reply to post by 2012newstart

 

The Peace of God to all that belong to the Light,
Dear Readers,

Does the peace of God also come to those who do not belong to the light? I would think so. And if the catholic church (it's always weird to me when people call it "the church") can get its act together after condoning and practicing paedophila for, what, a thousand years or more ("Come on to me, little children".....right), they are going to have to clean house in a major way. Don't you think that all those prophecies, all the warning bells, the vision at Fatima included, were telling "the church" that they would have to put the brakes on...and were ignored up until this day? Maybe that has something to do with the thing being in so much trouble that it now has the reputation it maybe deserves?

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Dear Aleister,

Seems to me that you have not yet read some of the most important post that were replied in this thread, and believe me, I do not have any personal interest in to be advocate of anybody involved in such horrendus immoralities you are refering to, but you are wrong to believe that the Peadophilia was invented in the Catholic Church or that is going to disapear if this Chrstian congregation collapses. .


I have showed with a very extensive list of extremely interesting links refered to many different sources that the paedophilia trend you are mentioned is not at all exclusive of the Catholic Church, it is equally present if not possible worst in other religious and secular congregations of the world that deal with children or adolescents, like for instance among the Mormons, Evangelicals, Baptists, Anglicans, Episcopalians, even among Jewish and Muslim priests.

It is sad to see this cancer of the society spread around the world, but it is clear that the Paedophilia is linked with the corruptive power of Pornography, an epidemia of immorality that is running with incredible momentum arlong all the world thanks to the pervasive use of the Internet by certain maffias interested in to promote those antivalues.

it is quite difficut to stablish with precission where is the epicenter of the Paedophilia expansion in the world, but it is not needed to go to Rome to find it, possibly in the middle of the valley of San Fernando, here in California, USA is more probable to find it.

Here it is again a link to the post in which I talked about the paedophilia epidemia in the religious and also secular organizations of the world:
reply to post by The angel of light

Anyway thanks for your reply,

Please read my previous posts on the subject.

The Angel of Lightness

I put here a comment of mine from this thread:



Tarcisio Bertone (Peter the Roman) has the TOWER on his personal SEAL

i.imgur.com...

What a correlation! We can say now that the 'The Tower' card has been foreseen a long time ago by people having the ability to see the future.

If Petrus Romanus is the last one without being clearly named it is because the next pope is seen by St Malachy as a whole group in the papacy and points out the great event to come as a turning point in the world beliefs, i.e. extraterrestrials showing up at this precise time.