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65,376,373 guns sold during Obama's term and still counting!

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posted on Feb, 12 2013 @ 04:53 PM
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What does that tell you? Those that own guns...are buying MORE guns...and as the chart above shows, a little fear mongering and a black man in the whitehouse doesn't hurt the gun sales either


Thanks for the data, that is what I was suspecting was happening but I didn't have the data to prove it so I didn't say anything (take notes pro-gun folks making claims with no data).

It is all fear and stockpiling by people who already own guns...I wouldn't be surprised if overall gun owners ticks up a little bit in the next few years...but I wouldn't expect it to be much.




posted on Feb, 12 2013 @ 04:55 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by xedocodex


I even acknowledge that "millions" of people have an irrational and non-fact based fear of Obama...but millions more support him.


Source for irrational?

Or more opinion?


Sure, call it an opinion.

But you could use all the evil things that Obama anti-Obama people have been claiming he is planning on doing and realize that none of it has happened to see the irrationality of it.

If you have a rational fear of Obama, what is it?



posted on Feb, 12 2013 @ 04:56 PM
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Actions that didn't need consent of Congress. And I much prefer Obama's military actions of not commiting us to a long term war than Bush's policies.


Um, there are quite a few members of Congress that disagree with that statement. Your right on the second part, It is much better to smash and grab while installing into power the same terrorists you claim to be at war with and then funneling all resources while the innocents of the country delve into poverty, hunger and relent to endless drone strikes to weed out pockets of resistance.




But please...show the other examples of gun control turning into the massacre of the citizens....and then please show that this is ALWAYS the case. If you can't do that, then you are using a logical fallacy.


Google dictator, you can see for yourself, there are many too choose from. I don't have to demonstrate that it is always the case just that it is possible, has happened in the past and is reasonably likely given the actions of the current and recently departed administrations.




That is your opinion...they are recognized as an official government of Egypt...just because they are Muslim doesn't make them terrorist...brainwashing is a scary thing.


Recognized by who? If they are recognized by the United States then I would ask you to address why we claim to be in a "war on terror" and support a government that openly makes terrorist statements and threats? Can you do this? Did you really just claim the Muslim Brotherhood is not a terrorist organization by nature?




That is actually not a right of yours...that in fact, by definition of the Constitution, would make you a traitor to the Constitution and country.


Have you even read the Constitution? That statement is completely false.

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posted on Feb, 12 2013 @ 04:56 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
Everyone has graphs!

Like the one from this site:

Click on the picture to find out the real deal.

www.huffingtonpost.com...

88 guns per 100 people. 49% Americans think its a right compared to 45% who say its a "priviledge".
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And people like you who don't understand graphs/statistics shouldn't try to use them.

88 guns per 100 people does not mean that 88 people out of 100 people own guns.

As we have already covered, it is more like 30-40 people out of 100 people own guns...but they owns LOTS of guns.



posted on Feb, 12 2013 @ 04:59 PM
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Yep some people don't understand graphs or other material sourced in this thread because ATF hold means persons have reached their gun ownership quota.

Follow by the BATFE regulation that anyone buying over 3 firearms gets reported.

Which means what?

I See someone saying there is only a few people buying guns that is not the truth.



posted on Feb, 12 2013 @ 05:00 PM
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Now my interpretation is what it is. You asked for sourcing. You got it and more than you asked for. That my interpretation and yours don't agree is one of those things in life we just can't do much about. That is debate though. Can't win 'em all.


It's not that our interpretations don't agree...it's that yours is flat out wrong at this point because the data doesn't support it (because there is no data.)

You have no data to back your interpretation...it's pure speculation on your part. I have no interpretation about DEMOGRAPHICS of gun purchases by looking at the data you have presented...because there is no logical interpretation I can make besides it is unknown.

The fact is that your "interpretation" is not back up by facts, so it stops being your interpretaion and becomes pure speculation.



posted on Feb, 12 2013 @ 05:03 PM
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Oh just like California, New York and Chicago so how is that working out for them?

Last time I checked lots of people getting murdered.


And yet another logical fallacy...i've been meaning to create a thread on this.

pro-gun people like to use these as their "gotcha" examples of "gun control". But they make the mistake in trying to suggest that the "gun control" in these cities is what caused the violence...when in fact the "gun control" was in response to the violence.

The reason I put "gun control" in quotes is because you can't really have gun control when you can drive 1 hour and you are now in another state/city that doesn't have the same gun control. This is why we need National gun control.



posted on Feb, 12 2013 @ 05:05 PM
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nd yet another logical fallacy...i've been meaning to create a thread on this.


BS California,Chicago and New York all have the strictest gun control laws in this country and people are still dying.

There is no way to spin that.




The reason I put "gun control" in quotes is because you can't really have gun control when you can drive 1 hour and you are now in another state/city that doesn't have the same gun control. This is why we need National gun control.


That is more BS considering every gun dealer in the country has to perform a background check when a person shows an out of state license they know damn well what the laws are.

Same reason I could not drive to kentucky and buy an automatic knife since it is illegal to own in indiana.

Border states know what the hell the laws are
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posted on Feb, 12 2013 @ 05:12 PM
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Um, there are quite a few members of Congress that disagree with that statement. Your right on the second part, It is much better to smash and grab while installing into power the same terrorists you claim to be at war with and then funneling all resources while the innocents of the country delve into poverty, hunger and relent to endless drone strikes to weed out pockets of resistance.


And that is their opinion...but their opinion has gone no where and has garnered little support among the rest of congress.

I would much prefer to get out of the middle east and other countries business all together...not Bush's doctrine of commiting to invasion and occupation...and not Obama's of drone strikes and smash and grab. But I do support Obama's over Bush's...even if it isn't what I think is ideal.


Google dictator, you can see for yourself, there are many too choose from. I don't have to demonstrate that it is always the case just that it is possible, has happened in the past and is reasonably likely given the actions of the current and recently departed administrations.


Sure, it's a possibility...anything is a possibility. It's also a possibility that by arming the citizenry that we will have Taliban like religous fanatics pop up that rule by being vigilantes outside the governments consent.

Hey...it's a possibility



Recognized by who? If they are recognized by the United States then I would ask you to address why we claim to be in a "war on terror" and support a government that openly makes terrorist statements and threats? Can you do this? Did you really just claim the Muslim Brotherhood is not a terrorist organization by nature?


Recognized by the World...but the USA...and by the UN.

The had democrat elections...and because the people you don't like won and are Muslims...they are all of a sudden terrorists.

You really like Democracy...as long as it is White Christians in power...huh?


Have you even read the Constitution? That statement is completely false.


www.law.cornell.edu...

Section 3.

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort.


Now you show me where the Constitution gives you the right to overthrow the government....have you even read it???



posted on Feb, 12 2013 @ 05:17 PM
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I used that story as a reply to a post in this thread. I was thinking of posting it as its own thread but you beat me to it.

Just the NEW gun purchases far outnumber military and police numbers combined. And they think we are just going to hand them over.



posted on Feb, 12 2013 @ 05:17 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
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nd yet another logical fallacy...i've been meaning to create a thread on this.


BS California,Chicago and New York all have the strictest gun control laws in this country and people are still dying.

There is no way to spin that.

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Gun control on the SALE of guns...not the ownership.

How far away is Arizona from Los Angeles? Las Vegas? How far away is Indiana from Chicago?

Hopefully you get my point...passing gun control laws at the state/city level is pointless because anyone can drive to another state/city to buy their guns.



posted on Feb, 12 2013 @ 05:18 PM
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Hey...you have to agree that the more fear mongering...talk of apocolypse...casting the POTUS as the next Hitler or worse....drives a chunk of gun sales among a specific demographic. I have zero doubt...though just my opinion...that the NRA has chosen to fan the flames of fear to drive the profits up amongst the very people who fund them, the gun manufacturers.

Otherwise...the NRA membership deserves representation, but what they get is a marketing campaign of fear...buy now!!!

For example Sturm, Ruger & Company went beyond simply contributing directly to the NRA...they get over half thier funding...not through members..but from gun manufacturers....But Sturm, Ruger & Company made it a simpler business model to encourage the NRA to fear monger....



In May 2011, Ruger launched the challenge to sell one-million Ruger firearms over the course of one year, with one dollar of each sale going to benefit NRA Institute for Legislative Action.

www.nraila.org...$12-million-to-benefit-the-nra-institute-for-legisla tive-action.aspx?s=%22Lead%22&st=&ps=

They directly gave the NRA money for every gun sale...now tell me again...does the NRA have an incentive to drive gun sales? ...and what would drive gun sales?...Fear...of confiscation..of socialist dictatorship...yada...yada
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posted on Feb, 12 2013 @ 05:19 PM
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For those who are not paying attention federal gun laws are pointless.

The end.



posted on Feb, 12 2013 @ 05:19 PM
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Originally posted by xedocodex
Now you show me where the Constitution gives you the right to overthrow the government....have you even read it???


THAT made me LOL right there. Behold everyone - That is ignorance at its purest.



posted on Feb, 12 2013 @ 05:19 PM
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Originally posted by AwakeinNM
I used that story as a reply to a post in this thread. I was thinking of posting it as its own thread but you beat me to it.

Just the NEW gun purchases far outnumber military and police numbers combined. And they think we are just going to hand them over.


Doesn't matter how many guns someone owns...they only have two hands.

This whole mess with Christopher Dorner should show you how ridiculous it is for someone to say they are going to fight off the police, let alone the Military.



posted on Feb, 12 2013 @ 05:20 PM
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Originally posted by AwakeinNM

Originally posted by xedocodex
Now you show me where the Constitution gives you the right to overthrow the government....have you even read it???


THAT made me LOL right there. Behold everyone - That is ignorance at its purest.


Then show me.

Expose my ignorance...show me where in the Constitution it gives you the right to overthrow the government.



posted on Feb, 12 2013 @ 05:21 PM
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Finstein, Obama fans the flames of fear. Is the NRA culpable? Sure!

But many Americans are smarter than the average meme.
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posted on Feb, 12 2013 @ 05:22 PM
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This whole mess with Christopher Dorner should show you how ridiculous it is for someone to say they are going to fight off the police, let alone the Military.


Really?

Those terrorists sure aren't having a problem.



posted on Feb, 12 2013 @ 05:22 PM
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Originally posted by xedocodex
Gun control on the SALE of guns...not the ownership.


You are not a very forward-thinking person, are you? I don't mean "forward" in the sense that Obama thinks "forward" means "in the direction of communism". Or maybe you ARE "Forward" thinking in that respect?

What is being discussed in legislation for the 2013 session is registration, among other things. Registration leads to eventual confiscation. This has been historically documented over and over.



posted on Feb, 12 2013 @ 05:23 PM
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Expose my ignorance...show me where in the Constitution it gives you the right to overthrow the government.


Wanna show me where in that constitution where it says you can tell me what rights I have and take away my property?



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