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The One People's Public Trust & Sovereign Citizens Movement Scams Broken Down.

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posted on Feb, 21 2013 @ 06:41 PM
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Originally posted by Crakeur
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no, we are merely telling people to be careful.

If I was in a knife store and I saw a person standing by the hunting knives, telling people the best way to pick up the knife is by tightly grasping the metal part I would tell them that they might get hurt if they do that.

this is really no different


Or you could just tell that person that they may not enter the store at all, same outcome, no harm to befall them. In essence, that would be the same as forbidding this topic, which I know is the goal here, and no one will ever have to worry about breaking any law. Beautiful logic, but controlling!
Kinda reminds one of the anti-gun laws, if the people have no access to guns, no tyrants will be killed by guns!

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posted on Feb, 21 2013 @ 06:47 PM
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I really have to call BS. This thread contains extant and uncensored posts that, in just about any other context, would have led to post removals and possibly posting bans. The OP and several staff members, including site owners, have been more than cordial and have made a very strong effort to avoid being baited into reacting and feeding the "censorship" hyperbole.

IE not only is this subject being discussed. But it's being shown an incredible amount of leeway by staff and owners alike.



posted on Feb, 21 2013 @ 06:53 PM
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I really have to call BS. This thread contains extant and uncensored posts that, in just about any other context, would have led to post removals and possibly posting bans. The OP and several staff members, including site owners, have been more than cordial and have made a very strong effort to avoid being baited into reacting and feeding the "censorship" hyperbole. IE not only is this subject being discussed. But it's being shown an incredible amount of leeway by staff and owners alike.


I guess the fate of the topic will be most telling then, won't it? If it becomes banned, then I as well as others, will have been correct in our assumptions that the site admins. want to keep this information in the dark.




posted on Feb, 21 2013 @ 06:55 PM
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I'm going to add to Heff's statements and state I've been in threads in the 2012 forum that have been 404'd for less than has happened in this thread, and the amount of information from both sides is astronomical, even IF the tread was closed right now by the staff, it would still hold all of that information and debate..

When you see threads like this almost every other post is an Off Topic or Extreme T&C Warning, that's happened very minimally here. My guess is because everyone knows frustration hits, and well, sometimes, and I've admitted doing it, you get snarky..



posted on Feb, 21 2013 @ 06:56 PM
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there will be no further threads on the topic and, honestly, why should there be? there are several already and everything that anyone could possibly want to know is in this thread as well as the others that were started days and weeks and months ago.

More important, other than the transmissions from heather's two mouthpieces, there isn't going to be any news about this until either she gets arrested or the aliens return with the gold they teleported out.

want to guess which is the more likely to occur?



posted on Feb, 21 2013 @ 07:02 PM
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I am done with arguing this topic on this thread. The Above Network LLC will do whatever they wish with this thread and the topic in general. Make no mistake, many frequenters of this site have seen the exchange in this thread and where you go from here with this, could determine the fate of the site. To be clear, I am not making any threats, including forfeiting my membership. I am merely pointing out the fact that if you disenfranchise your base, you do so at your peril.



posted on Feb, 21 2013 @ 07:04 PM
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Originally posted by ajay59
I am done with arguing this topic on this thread. The Above Network LLC will do whatever they wish with this thread and the topic in general. Make no mistake, many frequenters of this site have seen the exchange in this thread and where you go from here with this, could determine the fate of the site. To be clear, I am not making any threats, including forfeiting my membership. I am merely pointing out the fact that if you disenfranchise your base, you do so at your peril.

Nothing bad, or perilous, will happen to ATS because it doesn't allow people to push scams.
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posted on Feb, 21 2013 @ 07:11 PM
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Prove it to be a scam. If you cannot, then it is not a scam. If there is any validity to this OPPT, then I suspect that this site will just fade away or change venues and maybe even ownership as well. If the OPPT is real, then that would leave only people who still believe in the failed system and convince others to follow them in their enslavement. Good evening!

To add; I do hope you have the intestinal fortitude to leave this thread available somewhere for the base to peruse. I do realize that it could be extremely difficult for you to keep down if you did so though, as people discover it.

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posted on Feb, 21 2013 @ 07:17 PM
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Originally posted by ajay59

Prove it to be a scam.


75+ pages of clear facts showing that ucc filings are false
repeated requests for a trust document that names heather as trustee and names the beneficiaries - they are transparent about everything...but this. why?
those promoting this scam aren't even attempting the ucc game, nor are they halting bill payment
pages and pages of court docs, legal docs, gov't docs showing how this doesn't work vs ucc paperwork being used outside of the uniform commercial code purpose
common law, no roman law no biblical law no maritime law no martian law no, wait, what kind of law are we under today?



posted on Feb, 21 2013 @ 07:20 PM
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Originally posted by ajay59
I am done with arguing this topic on this thread. The Above Network LLC will do whatever they wish with this thread and the topic in general. Make no mistake, many frequenters of this site have seen the exchange in this thread and where you go from here with this, could determine the fate of the site. To be clear, I am not making any threats, including forfeiting my membership. I am merely pointing out the fact that if you disenfranchise your base, you do so at your peril.




I am sorry, but your game played out many pages ago and yes your playing a game.

"You do so at your own peril" is definitively a "threat". I think you misjudged the membership here at ATS if you think your threat has caused anything other than laughter at your expense. The only question is whether or not your secretly giggling while posting or if you truly believe things no rational person would ever believe.

I'd imagine this thread will in fact attract members and exactly the type of members who want to deny ignorance rather than embrace it fully as you have.

I'm floored you have been given so much latitude here and my reasons for being here have been greatly reinforced, not diminished. Ignorance is most certainly being denied in this exchange. Bravo to all



posted on Feb, 21 2013 @ 07:21 PM
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Originally posted by ajay59
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Prove it to be a scam. If you cannot, then it is not a scam.

You must not have read the whole thread. Usually people pay attention to the thread before responding. This might explain the lack of understanding.



posted on Feb, 21 2013 @ 07:23 PM
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I guess I must have missed the those specific points. The only proof I noticed through the entire thread was for the OPPT.



posted on Feb, 21 2013 @ 07:24 PM
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I don't know if you read this It's " MAry Crft's Book" she is attorney.'

www.thecrowhouse.com...

HOW I CLOBBERED
EVERY BUREAUCRATIC
CASH-CONFISCATORY AGENCY
KNOWN TO MAN

Free PDF
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posted on Feb, 21 2013 @ 07:26 PM
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HOW I CLOBBERED EVERY BUREAUCRATIC CASH-CONFISCATORY AGENCY KNOWN TO MAN
... a Spiritual Economics Book on $$$ and Remembering Who You Are

by: Mary Elizabeth: Croft


If you mean this, yes I stopped reading it at the point where she puts a colon in her name thinking it somehow changes it...



posted on Feb, 21 2013 @ 07:44 PM
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Originally posted by ajay59
People are not allowed to communicate to spread knowledge of the existence of something


yes, that is true. People are not allowed to spread a fraud like the OPPT here.... and apparently you do not like them stopping people promoting a fraud....



posted on Feb, 21 2013 @ 07:58 PM
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I can't edit the post anymore but I made an error that I wish to correct, Roger Elvick is still alive and in prison, he has not kicked the mortal coil yet, but he is in for life, a few 4 year consecutive terms that he will never see the out of, and if he does, well he's no longer in any position to be a bother to anyone, and I spelt his name wrong in my previous posting..

Just to clarify.. and so people don't use it as a picking point.
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posted on Feb, 21 2013 @ 08:01 PM
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Originally posted by ajay59
the fact of the matter is, you people are trying to DELEGATE the truth to others.


And you're not with the repurposed Galactic Federation of Light Workers Knumbskullery combined with a NESARA chocolate center, all wrapped up in Freeman on the Landscape enlightenmentarianism silliness?

We've seen this before.

We'll see it again.

And when we do, we'll treat it to the same warm embrace.



posted on Feb, 21 2013 @ 08:22 PM
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And the final nail in the coffin for the OPPT, Heather's initial description of how she came to do all of this:


To give you an overview of the concept of what this organization is doing you have to understand how our current reality has been manipulated.

Some time, long ago, humanity made the choice to experience separateness from Creator Source. In in truth separation is impossible, but Creator Source allowed an allusion of it for its many manifestations of Source. A contract was made and sides were chosen by the participants in duality consciousness. Whether this was a voluntary choice or whether humanity was pushed and tricked into it by outside meddlers, I don’t know.

The choice to experience separateness in a state of duality consciousness drew into this environment other beings who were attracted to the lower density negative consciousness. They fed off the negative energies. An invasion of sorts ensued. These beings set up an quantum anomaly in the etheric realms that would cut off human beings that inhabited this planet from source, their identity, and their memories of other incarnations. Thus shielding humans from the natural energy input from Creator Source. This allowed these beings to parasite the energy, time, and resources of human beings dwelling here, and shield themselves from higher energies they found uncomfortable. This quantum anomaly vastly shortened human life spans which facilated control because knowledge was lost when people died. They convinced the people over the ages that they had sinned, that Source had abandoned them because Source didn’t love them. That they had fallen from grace. Nothing was further from the truth.

They used the natural energy grid of the planet to reinforce their control by making sure the darkest and most savage events took place on the acupressure points of this planetary grid creating a negative feedback loop into the very ecosystem of the planet. The earth energy grid looks very much like the patterns on the surface of a soccer ball.

Governments were formed, and an economic system was imported from the Orion system. They had done this on other worlds before. It was a competitive economic casino system pitting one innocent human against another. The game was rigged and the house always won. The system rewarded handsomely those who faciliated the system, the beings needed human minions, and they quickly empowered the most sociopathic and compassionless among the people, to rule as puppets for them.

They created systems of hierarchies, one form of “archy” “ism” and “ocracy” after another. They knew that to keep up this synthetic entropic reality of scarcity, they must always polarize the beings who still had energetic ties to source within their heart. For if they awakened the illusion would fall. They divided humanity with religions, ideologies and political factions to keep people in their seats within the system and so busy surviving they never had time to simply BE.

No time to ponder, no time for contemplation, no time for joy, just a brutal struggle for basic survival while the minions of power wallowed in luxury and comfort. For if the people had time to contemplate the structure of the universe they dwelt in, they would notice the stars defy entropy and only grow more complex, and that nature itself defied entropy producing much bounty from the soil and sunshine compared to the effort of planting it, and the full abundance the Creator Source intended for humanity.

The spiritual traditions were twisted, the judges corrupted, and the educational systems were all designed to teach people this was the natural order of things.

What the Trustees accomplished was the reverse engineering of the financial system, including its endemic corruption. They discovered was that it was beyond repair. But what to do? The minons still controlled the judges, the police, the banks, the media, and the consciousness of an unawakened humanity. For all the corruption inherent in the system, all the companies, transactions, financial houses, and governments (worldwide!) were all registered corporations within a very well documented system called the UCC. All IRS codes are registered in the UCC. All US Codes are registered in the UCC. All international equivalents are registered in the international equivalent of the UCC It’s all there, registered and documented. The US was a Corporation until they canceled it and left what always was, the United States of America Trust. There was one for Australia. Iran too was a corporation. This means the very concept of self-determination by the citizens of ANY country, was and is a complete fraud.

Continued:



posted on Feb, 21 2013 @ 08:23 PM
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What wasn’t well known was that the UCC and commercial registry was itself a privately run company, commandeered and run by the principals, agents, and beneficiaries of these slavery systems, these private corporations until one of the people discovered it. hrough a series of registration, gift, and assignment the ownership is now with the original owner who paid for it … we the people of this planet. But humanity didn’t “know” that it was gifted, or rather, returned back to them and the bankers were sure not going to tell them that. In legal terms, in order for a gift transfer to take place, someone has to accept the gift. Heather drew up the acceptance papers and accepted and registered the gift of the UCC for humanity to be held in perpetual trust by the One People’s Public Trust, which itself belongs to humanity.

The One People’s Public Trust has created and filed legal documents based on The Law of One, Universal Law, and UCC law that states in effect each human is a manifestation of the Creator Source, and as such is a Creator, and is not subordinate to any artificial principality or corporate fiction.


Now read this, pay particular attention to the reasons she did this, and where our government supposedly came from... Orion, aliens, offworld,.........



posted on Feb, 21 2013 @ 08:28 PM
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Originally posted by vkey08
And the final nail in the coffin for the OPPT, Heather's initial description of how she came to do all of this:


The sad thing is some people, even after reading that nonsense, still will believe the OPPT is valid....
Sad really.



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