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Originally posted by nightstalker46
reply to post by vkey08
Yes my dear, this is exactly what has happened. I presented factual proof. Unless you can provide a factual rebuttal you only have an opinion. The ball is in your court.
Originally posted by vkey08
Originally posted by tinhattribunal
reply to post by vkey08
there are other ways to effect change without looking like a moron doing it..
no there's not.
according to you anyway.
Actually I described a method to effect change, noone cared to think it was plausible. A Constitutional Convention, it's legal, lawful and written into the system as a way for the people to fix problems.. Not any of this UCC nonsense.. So there..
Documented proof that the Constitution was not for us can be found at: Padelford, Fay & Co. v. The Mayor and Aldermen of the City of Savannah, [14 Georgia 438, 520]. This was a Court case wherein the Plaintiffs sued the City of Savannah, for violating what they believed were their constitutionally protected rights! The decision of the Judge says it all: “But indeed, no private person has a right to complain, by suit in Court, on the ground of a breach of the Constitution, the Constitution, it is true, is a compact but he [the private person] is not a party to it!” [Emphasis added]
Originally posted by nightstalker46
reply to post by vkey08
Excerpt from rep. Jim Traficant on house floor.
For years there has been a FAKE speech that has been attributed to James Traficant that was SUPPOSEDLY presented to the House of Representatives on March 17, 1993, that PURPORTEDLY talks about the ALLEGED “bankruptcy” of the US government, the Emergency banking Act, H.J.R. 192, the Federal Reserve, the United Nations, the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund, Emergency War powers, canon law, admiralty-maritime law, "paying" and "discharging" a debt, birth certificates, citizenship, allodial property & many other POPULAR “patriot” issues.
Originally posted by vkey08
Originally posted by nightstalker46
reply to post by vkey08
Yes my dear, this is exactly what has happened. I presented factual proof. Unless you can provide a factual rebuttal you only have an opinion. The ball is in your court.
No.. you provided the same rehashed myths that the entire movement relies upon.
Starting with the home rule law for Washington DC somehow being indicative of the Federal Government being a Corporation, you have stated we were Quit Claimed to some bankers, but cannot show the Quit Claim documents, i mean really.. the actual burden of proof is upon you to prove each of these things was what you claim them to be.
Originally posted by vkey08
reply to post by EarthCitizen07
There is no definitive proof that the United States murdered 3000 people, and while I have lots of problems with 9/11, that's not one of them. If you're using a conspiracy theory as your basis for thought, there's an even bigger issue..
Originally posted by vkey08
reply to post by nightstalker46
I really can't see where people come up with this stuff..
Originally posted by vkey08
reply to post by EarthCitizen07
There is no definitive proof that the United States murdered 3000 people,
Documented proof that the Constitution was not for us can be found at: Padelford, Fay & Co. v. The Mayor and Aldermen of the City of Savannah, [14 Georgia 438, 520]. This was a Court case wherein the Plaintiffs sued the City of Savannah, for violating what they believed were their constitutionally protected rights! The decision of the Judge says it all: “But indeed, no private person has a right to complain, by suit in Court, on the ground of a breach of the Constitution, the Constitution, it is true, is a compact but he [the private person] is not a party to it!” [Emphasis added]
read it and weep.
Originally posted by jamshaman
Now this is my perspective on the PTS:
- Will it work? - the answer is: without support from the people - NO it won't. Is the legalese valid? Answer: yes, and here's why: All legalese, the government, rights, documents and whatever else, are in fact fictional from the standpoint that they only have meaning if enough people support them. For example, the bill of rights - those are rights that we have regardless of whether or not they have been written down. You either know that you have them or you don't. If you don't know, then relying on a document written by humans no better or worse than yourself is a slippery slope, because now that your rights have been written down, they can now be modified...
Furthermore - the ENTIRE system that we now operate in, is TOTALLY fictional! It exists because we support it. It's a fake table top and WE are the legs which hold it up. Literally, these people have been writing things down and essentially saying "this is the law now", and we have been going along with it for what is arguably a few thousand years, or in the case of the U.S.A. at least a few hundred years...
Originally posted by tinhattribunal
Originally posted by vkey08
reply to post by EarthCitizen07
There is no definitive proof that the United States murdered 3000 people,
that coming from an FBI agent
sweet!