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The One People's Public Trust & Sovereign Citizens Movement Scams Broken Down.

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posted on Feb, 16 2013 @ 01:40 PM
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Yes my dear, this is exactly what has happened. I presented factual proof. Unless you can provide a factual rebuttal you only have an opinion. The ball is in your court.




posted on Feb, 16 2013 @ 01:41 PM
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Ok. No problem!


(I edited my previous post)



posted on Feb, 16 2013 @ 01:42 PM
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Well I think its time for me to bow out of this thread. Most people are too emotionally attached to their false beliefs to even consider hard evidence facts reason and logic and will defend their irrational unsubstantiated beliefs to the death with not a single iota of substantiation. You can post a wall of proof and they will simply dismiss it without even examining it....

It is just illustrative of why this country is in shambles and is over the cliff and heading for the bottom of ravine at ever increasing speeds. Most won't get it till we hit bottom and then we will all suffer the consequences of apathy, ignorance and fear that has led us to this disaster... Good luck everyone I hope I am wrong but unfortunately it is not looking that way.



posted on Feb, 16 2013 @ 01:51 PM
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Originally posted by nightstalker46
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Yes my dear, this is exactly what has happened. I presented factual proof. Unless you can provide a factual rebuttal you only have an opinion. The ball is in your court.


No.. you provided the same rehashed myths that the entire movement relies upon.

Starting with the home rule law for Washington DC somehow being indicative of the Federal Government being a Corporation, you have stated we were Quit Claimed to some bankers, but cannot show the Quit Claim documents, i mean really.. the actual burden of proof is upon you to prove each of these things was what you claim them to be.



posted on Feb, 16 2013 @ 02:04 PM
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Originally posted by vkey08

Originally posted by tinhattribunal
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there are other ways to effect change without looking like a moron doing it..


no there's not.

according to you anyway.


Actually I described a method to effect change, noone cared to think it was plausible. A Constitutional Convention, it's legal, lawful and written into the system as a way for the people to fix problems.. Not any of this UCC nonsense.. So there..


question ... so why haven't we done that 25 times over?

answer ... the constitution is not as valid as people believe it to be.

i just hate to be the bearer of bad news.


Documented proof that the Constitution was not for us can be found at: Padelford, Fay & Co. v. The Mayor and Aldermen of the City of Savannah, [14 Georgia 438, 520]. This was a Court case wherein the Plaintiffs sued the City of Savannah, for violating what they believed were their constitutionally protected rights! The decision of the Judge says it all: “But indeed, no private person has a right to complain, by suit in Court, on the ground of a breach of the Constitution, the Constitution, it is true, is a compact but he [the private person] is not a party to it!” [Emphasis added]


read it and weep.
edit on 16-2-2013 by tinhattribunal because: addedtext



posted on Feb, 16 2013 @ 02:15 PM
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Excerpt from rep. Jim Traficant on house floor.

P.S. HYPOTHECATION, civil law. This term is used principally in the civil law; it is defined to be a right which a creditor has over a thing belonging to another, and which consists in the power to cause it to be sold, in order to be paid his claim out of the proceeds.

(excerpt from Rep. Traficant's address)
"Mr. Speaker, we are here now in chapter 11.. Members of Congress are official trustees presiding over the greatest reorganization of any Bankrupt entity in world history, the U.S. Government. We are setting forth hopefully, a blueprint for our future. There are some who say it is a coroner’s report that will lead to our demise.
It is an established fact that the United States Federal Government has been dissolved by the Emergency Banking Act, March 9, 1933, 48 Stat. 1, Public Law 89-719; declared by President Roosevelt, being bankrupt and insolvent. H.J.R. 192, 73rd Congress m session June 5, 1933 - Joint Resolution To Suspend The Gold Standard and Abrogate The Gold Clause dissolved the Sovereign Authority of the United States and the official capacities of all United States Governmental Offices, Officers, and Departments and is further evidence that the United States Federal Government exists today in name only.

The receivers of the United States Bankruptcy are the International Bankers, via the United Nations, the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund. All United States Offices, Officials, and Departments are now operating within a de facto status in name only under Emergency War Powers. With the Constitutional Republican form of Government now dissolved, the receivers of the Bankruptcy have adopted a new form of government for the United States. This new form of government is known as a Democracy, being an established Socialist/Communist order under a new governor for America. This act was instituted and established by transferring and/or placing the Office of the Secretary of Treasury to that of the Governor of the International Monetary Fund. Public Law 94-564, page 8, Section H.R. 13955 reads in part: "The U.S. Secretary of Treasury receives no compensation for representing the United States?’
Similar Subjects (Sometimes)

Does The United States exist in two forms? 5/12/12
The US government is still in receivership from the bankruptcy of 1933. 11/21/11
What If - The US declared insolvency and went bankrupt? 12/10/09
Federal Reserve sets stage for Weimar-style Hyperinflation 12/15/08
Who Remembers Congressman- Jim Traficant? 10/7/08
The Bankruptcy of The United States 11/2/07

A very telling remark by an elected member of congress. Didn't take long for the gov to silence him.



posted on Feb, 16 2013 @ 02:36 PM
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Originally posted by nightstalker46
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Excerpt from rep. Jim Traficant on house floor.


Is this the best you can do? Why do you post a known hoax speech here, claiming it is real?

coupmedia.org...


For years there has been a FAKE speech that has been attributed to James Traficant that was SUPPOSEDLY presented to the House of Representatives on March 17, 1993, that PURPORTEDLY talks about the ALLEGED “bankruptcy” of the US government, the Emergency banking Act, H.J.R. 192, the Federal Reserve, the United Nations, the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund, Emergency War powers, canon law, admiralty-maritime law, "paying" and "discharging" a debt, birth certificates, citizenship, allodial property & many other POPULAR “patriot” issues.


W



posted on Feb, 16 2013 @ 02:41 PM
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You beat me to it...



posted on Feb, 16 2013 @ 02:59 PM
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Originally posted by vkey08

Originally posted by nightstalker46
reply to post by vkey08
 


Yes my dear, this is exactly what has happened. I presented factual proof. Unless you can provide a factual rebuttal you only have an opinion. The ball is in your court.


No.. you provided the same rehashed myths that the entire movement relies upon.

Starting with the home rule law for Washington DC somehow being indicative of the Federal Government being a Corporation, you have stated we were Quit Claimed to some bankers, but cannot show the Quit Claim documents, i mean really.. the actual burden of proof is upon you to prove each of these things was what you claim them to be.


The federal reserve is private. That is all the proof I need, and lets not forget the usa government murdering 3,000 americans and using that as an excuse for the patriot act, dhs, homeland security, ndaa, 2 instanteous wars, 3-4 more after that, etc.

What more proof does one need? I even provided evidence of the dummy corps the ptb have filed under and people think it is too far fetched and thus nit picking details here and there to discredit everything. Some times you just have to go with the flow and accept things for what they are.

Is this a conspiracy website or what? I can understand people not trusting the one peoples trust fund or whatever the hell it is called, but the same folks hardely believe any conspiracy facts at all. Then to say we can effect change peacefully without even understanding WHY things are the way they are is beyond absurd and ridiculous.



posted on Feb, 16 2013 @ 03:01 PM
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I'd like to address some basic things I've been reading on this thread, forgive me if some of them are redundant.

- So far there has been NO hard evidence showing that the persons from the website: www.peoplestrust1776.org... are involved in any kind of scam, whether it be for money or some other "agenda"

- There ARE some people who are scammers who are in the same field, roughly speaking, but they have not yet been proven to be associated with said parties from the People's Trust 1776 (PTS).

Now this is my perspective on the PTS:

- Will it work? - the answer is: without support from the people - NO it won't. Is the legalese valid? Answer: yes, and here's why: All legalese, the government, rights, documents and whatever else, are in fact fictional from the standpoint that they only have meaning if enough people support them. For example, the bill of rights - those are rights that we have regardless of whether or not they have been written down. You either know that you have them or you don't. If you don't know, then relying on a document written by humans no better or worse than yourself is a slippery slope, because now that your rights have been written down, they can now be modified...

Furthermore - the ENTIRE system that we now operate in, is TOTALLY fictional! It exists because we support it. It's a fake table top and WE are the legs which hold it up. Literally, these people have been writing things down and essentially saying "this is the law now", and we have been going along with it for what is arguably a few thousand years, or in the case of the U.S.A. at least a few hundred years..

For example, if I write down the words "all laws written by me (NAME) henceforth shall be valid on planet Earth" - is that valid? Of course not! But if enough people support it it will be.

So the same goes for the PTS documents. Are they legally valid? - they will be if enough people support them.. They are literally no more or less valid than when Obama writes an executive order, the difference being that Obama has military and police to enforce his written words. What I see so far, is that the PTS people are trying to work within the system to make some major changes and it will live or die based on the support of the people.

To be honest, under current legislation in the U.S. the PTS could just be labelled as terrorists under the Patriot Act and the NDAA and shipped off to Guantanamo with no due process, and for that matter, so could I just for writing this, or for whatever reasons those in government and/or law enforcement want to manufacture. So that being said, even IF the legalese of the PTS was rock solid (which it may be, but I'm not a law expert..), it wouldn't matter because the government could simply invalidate them at the government's discretion. Again, it doesn't matter - what matters is who will support and enforce?

In closing, I'd like to state that, from what I've seen so far, the PTS people are not claiming anything for themselves, whether it be money, property or power, but are trying to get the power back in to the people's hands and put the government in it's place. Basically they are holding the government in breach of trust, as we all should be.



posted on Feb, 16 2013 @ 03:01 PM
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There is no definitive proof that the United States murdered 3000 people, and while I have lots of problems with 9/11, that's not one of them. If you're using a conspiracy theory as your basis for thought, there's an even bigger issue..



posted on Feb, 16 2013 @ 03:03 PM
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Then you must have missed Heather's announcement that she was the "Temporary Administrator" of the new government of the Earth and is in charge of all they foreclosed upon..



posted on Feb, 16 2013 @ 03:09 PM
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Well you're right, technically we can't prove that factions within the U.S. government are responsible for 911, however asking them to investigate 911 is like asking O.J. Simpson to investigate the murders of Ron and Nichole. You cant have a suspect investigate his own crime and then hold that investigation as valid. Is there enough evidence to name parties within the U.S. government as suspects? - overwhelmingly yes, and that is not "theory" it's literally hard data.

This applies to this thread because 911 is a clear example of how the U.S. government breached our trust, by engaging in what was essentially an incompetent investigation and cover up of the events on 911.
edit on 16-2-2013 by jamshaman because: punctuation error



posted on Feb, 16 2013 @ 03:21 PM
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Originally posted by vkey08
reply to post by EarthCitizen07
 


There is no definitive proof that the United States murdered 3000 people, and while I have lots of problems with 9/11, that's not one of them. If you're using a conspiracy theory as your basis for thought, there's an even bigger issue..


Regardless what 9-11 was, it all went downhill fast after that. There is plenty of circumstantial evidence hinting at inside job. And just like all the recent school shootings, the government is quick to capitalise on the misfortunes of others.

And I don't relly on one conspiracy theory to pass judgement. Give the nonsense a rest already!



posted on Feb, 16 2013 @ 03:25 PM
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Originally posted by vkey08
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I really can't see where people come up with this stuff..


i can!


thanks forthmealandnightstalker!



posted on Feb, 16 2013 @ 03:30 PM
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Originally posted by vkey08
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There is no definitive proof that the United States murdered 3000 people,


that coming from an FBI agent


sweet!



posted on Feb, 16 2013 @ 03:34 PM
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Documented proof that the Constitution was not for us can be found at: Padelford, Fay & Co. v. The Mayor and Aldermen of the City of Savannah, [14 Georgia 438, 520]. This was a Court case wherein the Plaintiffs sued the City of Savannah, for violating what they believed were their constitutionally protected rights! The decision of the Judge says it all: “But indeed, no private person has a right to complain, by suit in Court, on the ground of a breach of the Constitution, the Constitution, it is true, is a compact but he [the private person] is not a party to it!” [Emphasis added]



read it and weep.


I could find no record of this case on PACER, only the same cut and paste statement on assorted conspiracy sites. From now on, if you are going to cite a legal case, please provide a link to the actual ruling. (Not doing so is a violation of T&C.)



posted on Feb, 16 2013 @ 03:34 PM
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While I haven’t read the whole 45 pages I read the OP and tend to agree that this whole thing is a scam.

Actually, I was initially intrigued by this freeman thing ( I do so live to rebel and stick it to the man, especially sweet is using his rules against him) - so I have done quite a bit of research on the issue; however, in my research I have found the evidence that this works to be full of holes the size of dump trucks and about as consistent as the electricity at my compound in Afghanistan.

I think it fitting to use the AMWAY example because that is the most apt one word analogy I can think of when it comes to the freeman movement. Seems like a big smoke a mirror thing to me.

Try to look some concrete information up on what how to write the declaration of your freeman status and you'll get a bunch of crap - in short no real answers.

"It's different for everyone" you see "You have to do the research yourself for it to work but it works see" (points out crappy video of dude pissing off a judge so bad he leaves the room) are the most likely answer and common information you will find in most cases.

If it was a locked tight defense - it would give the equally locked tight example of how to write ones declaration; the steps to take in which order to defeat any prosecution attempt etc... Also, the results would be predictable, constant and consistent not a crap shoot.

Instead you hear about how cool it is to be free; "you are a slave if you don't see it" and "you need to wake-up and see the truth", "this works" etc...but again no how to book...

Again never any real concrete effective wording or steps to declare such a status and how to use it with consistent and effective results throughout the US various territories.

So like I said AMWAY; sounds great everyone talks about how financial freedom is within your grasp but they "the successful" will not just come out as tell you how to do it. Which is the tell tale sign of a scam in their case and a sign of a BS argument in the case of the freeman issue. They parade the “successful” about and say wouldn’t it be nice if you too could…then they leave you with no real plan for how to do it.

Evidently common law does require the services of a lawyer or attorney. However these people who "gets it" could make a killing representing others. If it were so easy the methods or defense would be well known and the outcomes of cases would be predictable, constant and consistent not a crap shoot.

I recognize the validity; however, that at some point the well would dry up and agree that in a sense this would be sort of like putting themselves out of work but here's where I draw a question.

Lawyers and Attorneys are a slippery lot and usually bottom feeding liars of the first order and moreover usually passive aggressive type people. Most judges were once lawyers as well and the media so loves to create a villain especially say a conservatively elected one. They love a good corruption scandal too - the live for them in fact.

Why is it then that the same slippery lying conniving individuals don’t regularly use this defense in their own legal issues? Certainly, any lawyer worth his salt would avoid the licensing fees and costs associated with the system of revenue generation however small they may be in comparison to his income just for the pleasure of being right and beating the system - lawyers live for that crap!

Half of them would sell their mothers for a dollar - yet we are supposed to believe they know a way to have no license plates or a driver’s license and consent to it anyway knowing that they give up their rights in so doing?

I for one do not buy that for one instant.

Also, they would argue any license to practice law or marry or whatever suspicious nefarious revenue generators were unconstitutional the minute one had to face divorce or a malpractice suit.

They would argue they didn't consent and defeat their straw man to get out of any obligations in a heartbeat as would most people. Why don’t we hear about them doing it?

If they are doing it, where are the undercover reporters with video of corrupt lawyers and judges using a dual system of law all their own - you honestly believe this is a secret they could keep in this society?

This would be too juicy of a scandal for any reporter to pass up.

To disrupt the and expose the fallacy of the entire legal system of the dreaded USA would be the Pulitzer of the millennium for not only our American reporters but foreign agents and governments of all types who wish us ill.

Yet what do we hear? Crickets that's what.

If there were a remedy or get out of jail free card to the imposition of illegal and unconstitutional fees and revenue the lid on the way to do it would have been blown long ago....

I remain unconvinced.



posted on Feb, 16 2013 @ 03:40 PM
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Originally posted by jamshaman


Now this is my perspective on the PTS:

- Will it work? - the answer is: without support from the people - NO it won't. Is the legalese valid? Answer: yes, and here's why: All legalese, the government, rights, documents and whatever else, are in fact fictional from the standpoint that they only have meaning if enough people support them. For example, the bill of rights - those are rights that we have regardless of whether or not they have been written down. You either know that you have them or you don't. If you don't know, then relying on a document written by humans no better or worse than yourself is a slippery slope, because now that your rights have been written down, they can now be modified...

Furthermore - the ENTIRE system that we now operate in, is TOTALLY fictional! It exists because we support it. It's a fake table top and WE are the legs which hold it up. Literally, these people have been writing things down and essentially saying "this is the law now", and we have been going along with it for what is arguably a few thousand years, or in the case of the U.S.A. at least a few hundred years...



you are right.

in order to claim our Sovereignty ...

we must assert our Sovereignty!

peacefully, of course.

besides, 'we' outnumber 'them'.

is that why this topic is so heavily defended?



posted on Feb, 16 2013 @ 03:42 PM
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Originally posted by tinhattribunal

Originally posted by vkey08
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There is no definitive proof that the United States murdered 3000 people,


that coming from an FBI agent


sweet!


Even looking at it as a private citizen, I see no definitive proof of that claim, I see things that are not exactly kosher, granted, such as Building 7, the stand down order (if true I've heard varying opinions on that) and a few other things i have not yet made my mind up on, but to just come out and say "The United States Government killed 3000 people" no i can't subscribe to that interpretation. so leave my job out of it, I do have a mind of my own..



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