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The One People's Public Trust & Sovereign Citizens Movement Scams Broken Down.

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posted on Feb, 14 2013 @ 12:08 AM
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my question to the OP is:

what about this corporate personhood,
which is a legal process, where an entity, like say a corporation:

corporation [ˌkɔːpəˈreɪʃən]
n
1. (Law) a group of people authorized by law to act as a legal personality and having its own powers, duties, and liabilities
2. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) Also called municipal corporation the municipal authorities of a city or town
3. a group of people acting as one body
4. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) See public corporation
5. (Life Sciences & Allied Applications / Anatomy) Informal a large paunch or belly

can sue and be sued... this corp.(se)

[corpse (kôrps)
n.
A dead body, especially the dead body of a human.

or these CORPS, i should say have had laws written for them to make contributions
to campains, through PAC, in which they do not have to disclose how much and
to whom they contribute and for what purpose:

en.wikipedia.org...

Since the Supreme Court's ruling in Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission in 2010, upholding the rights of corporations to make political expenditures under the First Amendment, there have been several calls for a U.S. Constitutional amendment to abolish Corporate Personhood. [7]


so what say you?




posted on Feb, 14 2013 @ 12:08 AM
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Originally posted by VoidHawk
Well, I have to say this thread and its subject has been a real eye opener!

First of all I've seen british judges arrested using these laws, GO LOOK ON YOUTUBE PEOPLE. Thats assuming they havent removed the vids. I even watched one judge arrest HIMSELF when it was explained to him how he was braking the law by enforcing illegal CORPORATE law.
I've watched Police (UK) back down when faced with REAL COMMON LAW.

OP, like others on here I think you have and agenda.

To the site owners.
I wont be back, other than to see how this thread is dealt with. And you can rest assured I will be spreading the word. ATS has revealed what it truly is and to all of you who decide to stay I suggest you look closely at who is saying what in this thread and remember them.



Oh how right you are...
All your recommendations are correct, especially about the agenda.
I have observed what you're talking about.



posted on Feb, 14 2013 @ 12:15 AM
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Originally posted by fourthmeal
Those vids are interviews with Charles miller


So you have as a "trustee" a convicted felon, jailed for 12 years, who has NEVER been successful with any court filings. From his past this is just another of his cons



posted on Feb, 14 2013 @ 12:16 AM
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If he starts an exodus of like minded people I personally wouldn't mind.

reply to post by hellobruce
 


If that is enough to restore his faith you should just give up now.
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posted on Feb, 14 2013 @ 12:30 AM
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I'll make this brief. If the US is not a corporation then why do all the states, cities and federal government file CAFR? Why do they make investments? Why do they file 2 sets of books? One is called a budget the other
is a comprehensive annual financial report! They do this to keep the sheeple in the pen unaware of the truth!
But you can believe what you want, I know what i know.



posted on Feb, 14 2013 @ 12:34 AM
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Originally posted by masta12d

Originally posted by NeoVain
I have never heard of this movement or anything else about it... What surprises me about this thread(that seem very suspicios) is that it has really no links to substantiate the claims being made about this subject matter(which would be unheard of by most), and still has 110 flags at this point, with barely any replies whatsoever...


Something is not right here...


Edit: Also 21 stars on the op post, making the ratio of stars/flags 1:5, which is extremely uncommon... usually the stars ratio is higher.... Is this thread having a bug with the amount of flags?


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I too couldn't help but notice almost instantly the approved, coddled one sidedness of this thread thus far. Also took note of flag count in 200+ wow! For how messed up this world and this government is how quickly we discard those attempting to do something.... At least to an extent. I know some Sovereigns and initially they seemed to be in the right place. Unlike the OP I can't stand in defense of my government on any level, in any way. In fact I'm quite ashamed.

Anyway, the movement as it were IMO, is doomed to fail nor do I support it. The notion of using a corrupt system in and equally shady way by no means gets my support. Thinking I'm gonna creat a revolution using the box already made is silly. Moving everything around in the box doesn't change the box from being a box.
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Just read the original OPPT thread and anyone can see why this thread is getting the attention it DOES NOT DESERVE! If it is not obvious to any sentient being here what is going on, I have no sympathy for you. If you are unable to work this out then, ask yourself for clarity. Nobody can think for you unless you want them to. That should say it all! Do NOT let anyone here make up your mind for you! If you must, back away and re-approach with eyes wide open and a clean slate. I ask that no-one take what I say as the undisputed truth, nor what anyone else says as the undisputed truth. THE truth is and always has been up to you!

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posted on Feb, 14 2013 @ 12:45 AM
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Originally posted by tinhattribunal
reply to post by vkey08
 





a scam that a few people are getting very rich off of


which people are getting very rich off of?

exactly how much have they made?

where is your proof of this?

i suspect that you have made this up.

that would be slander and we do have laws in this country against that.

don't you know the laws?



Me thinks your being sarcastic! I hope you are at least.
Law is a relative term and depends on status!
If one is wealthy enough they can get away with pretty much anything except robbing other rich people!
We all know there are poor innocents in jail and guilty wealthy free from justice!



posted on Feb, 14 2013 @ 01:00 AM
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This thread focuses on 2 or 3 alleged scammers to discredit a whole section of knowledge. I don't know what to really make of this stuff, but it is NOT made up. It all comes from case law, legislation, quotes from law books, and congressional speeches. It's a deep rabbit hole. This link is straight to the point on a complicated subject with sources for everything said or implied. www.barefootsworld.net...
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posted on Feb, 14 2013 @ 01:01 AM
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I am sorry a large fraction of the people who participated here don't conform to your model for how people should behave and think.

It must be terribly frustrating
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posted on Feb, 14 2013 @ 01:19 AM
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thank you for your contributions along the way but reading this gave me pause ...


the first British Accredited Registry (BAR) was established in Boston during 1761 to attempt to allow only accredited barrister-lawyers access to the British courts of New England.
i seem to recall the first being in NY around 1745 or so ... several years before the Revolution began.

the ABA didn't organize until much later (131 yrs later
)

here's a few sources that agree ...

history professor
NY State Bar Association is first on this continent in 1747
... which makes it entirely a British construct, from day one and continuing since the Revolution.

psu timeline www.engr.psu.edu...
1747
• The New York Bar Association is founded in New York City.


teaching aide
1747 - The New York Bar Association is founded in New York City.

of course, i could be wrong but if so, please show me different.
as for the origins of B.A.R. -- it goes back a lot further than Wiki and i'll leave it at that.



posted on Feb, 14 2013 @ 01:28 AM
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Originally posted by Mkoll
reply to post by ajay59
 


I am sorry a large fraction of the people who participated here don't conform to your model for how people should behave and think.

It must be terribly frustrating
edit on 14-2-2013 by Mkoll because: (no reason given)


You see this people? This is the perfect example of what I have stated above. It should have been abundantly clear from what I posted, that neither you, nor anyone should be influenced by the words of another! This is a clear example of what I speak about. Read the above with understanding and SEE what this post attempts to do. I say again, listen, read, take in all that you are able, the decision on the truth is ultimately up to you.



posted on Feb, 14 2013 @ 01:35 AM
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Originally posted by fourthmeal
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Then with your own free will you opt out. All they did, and I remind you this is clear in the filings, is that you can choose by your own free will exactly how you BE.

If you want to do that, then do so.


However most human beings would probably prefer to be free and have the systems that enslaved them no longer operate, and by their own free will this will be done.


Not about opt out of anything. They claim to legally represent me without my consent which is btw illegal. BS the whole concept.



posted on Feb, 14 2013 @ 01:38 AM
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Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by IntrinsicMotivation
 

thank you for your contributions along the way but reading this gave me pause ...


the first British Accredited Registry (BAR) was established in Boston during 1761 to attempt to allow only accredited barrister-lawyers access to the British courts of New England.
i seem to recall the first being in NY around 1745 or so ... several years before the Revolution began.

the ABA didn't organize until much later (131 yrs later
)

here's a few sources that agree ...

history professor
NY State Bar Association is first on this continent in 1747
... which makes it entirely a British construct, from day one and continuing since the Revolution.

psu timeline www.engr.psu.edu...
1747
• The New York Bar Association is founded in New York City.


teaching aide
1747 - The New York Bar Association is founded in New York City.

of course, i could be wrong but if so, please show me different.
as for the origins of B.A.R. -- it goes back a lot further than Wiki and i'll leave it at that.


Lest one allow the far afield detract from what is in front of the nose.


the ABA didn't organize until much later (131 yrs later )


The A-for American, should not be the focus. The B, is what the focus should be on!



posted on Feb, 14 2013 @ 01:42 AM
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Originally posted by Mkoll
reply to post by Honor93
 


Well since it is so important why don't you go ahead and tell us who they are?
would you like to be served with a silver spoon too ??
gonna have to get your own ... i'm busy researching



posted on Feb, 14 2013 @ 01:58 AM
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Originally posted by ajay59

Originally posted by Mkoll
reply to post by ajay59
 


I am sorry a large fraction of the people who participated here don't conform to your model for how people should behave and think.

It must be terribly frustrating
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You see this people? This is the perfect example of what I have stated above. It should have been abundantly clear from what I posted, that neither you, nor anyone should be influenced by the words of another! This is a clear example of what I speak about. Read the above with understanding and SEE what this post attempts to do. I say again, listen, read, take in all that you are able, the decision on the truth is ultimately up to you.


If it is up to each individual to decide their own truth why are you #ing surprised that people do just that?

You cannot have it both ways. You cannot say that people should think for themselves at the same time say that anyone who can think should reach the very same conclusions as you.
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posted on Feb, 14 2013 @ 02:04 AM
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I know, I know, I am playing dirty by encouraging everyone to do their own thinking. To be self reliant. No worries though, I'm quite sure that you people, with your unlimited resources, will come up with something more to discredit and manipulate to win the masses back to the dark side. Take your time!
In the mean time, I encourage everyone to be self-reliant and research the OPPT to make your own judgement as to it's validity.



posted on Feb, 14 2013 @ 02:05 AM
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thanks for the video references but i'll have to mark them for laters as i cannot view them on this machine.

however, in light of the conversation and the references to the Inns ... i thought i'd share this tidbit that i learned long ago from none other than Encylopedia Brittanica.

www.britannica.com...

The system broke down completely during the English Civil Wars; readings ceased in 1677, and only the fees survived. Having paid them, the student was deemed to have fulfilled his duties. With no readers to recommend students for call to the bar, the four Inns in the 18th century finally agreed to call students who had been in residence a stated number of terms. Later, it was settled that eating three dinners was equivalent to attending for the whole term. Meanwhile, the Inns of Chancery were no longer adequate for so large a group as the attorneys and solicitors, and these latter therefore created their own society.
-- i often wondered if that's where the phrase ... 3 hots & a cot ... originated


edit to add -- in case others aren't noticing ... the 18th century is when the BAR came to American soil ... 1747.


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posted on Feb, 14 2013 @ 02:09 AM
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I ask everyone here,


You cannot have it both ways. You cannot say that people should think for themselves at the same time you are saying anyone who can think should have the same version of the truth as you.


Is this what you got from my words? Did anyone feel as though I attempted to coerce in any way? Do you feel as I do, that if any was trying to sway thought, it was not me? Keep on Mkoll, I am not the one making a fool of you!


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posted on Feb, 14 2013 @ 02:15 AM
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Originally posted by ajay59

Is this what you got from my words?



You said



If you are able to add, you could easily work this all out for yourself. All the attacks against this have absolutely NO foundation. Not one single piece of evidence against this would stand one second in a court of law, it is all circumstantial and hearsay.


and



If it is not obvious to any sentient being here what is going on, I have no sympathy for you.


It is clear that you think your worldview is the most valid and that you think everybody should feel the same way you do on this.
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posted on Feb, 14 2013 @ 02:18 AM
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I definitely think it is a scam...

There was this lady on youtube all gung hoe about it for a few years, she started a website and forum about it, "selling" these forms, then she ended up in court a few times, then she fled to mexico and can't return to the states.


As someone else stated, if it were TRUE, they would just put the forms up publicly and for free, no need to charge money if they themselves had become so "free"....




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