I imagine that at a certain point in the quest for any civilization to make contact with another, time is no longer an issue. Because of the sheer size of the universe, you resign yourself to the fact that it's probably not going to happen quickly, but rather over the course of hundreds of thousands of not billions of years. The intelligences you're trying to contact might not even exist at the same time you begin your efforts, or could easily be long dead by the time your attempt reaches them.

In that regard, I sometimes think the best way to make contact is to send something physical (radio and light are okay, but definitely lose a lot of their power quickly over long distances) that can ride through the cosmos, drawn by the small but unending force of gravity, and eventually find what it's looking for. A bacteria on a rock. A bacteria that can land on a suitable planet, adapt and evolve to thrive in the available environment, and eventually reach a level of existence that allows it to communicate with whatever intelligence is around it. I also like the idea (not original) of encoding into the bacteria a little bit of information about where it originated, and maybe a map to find it -- although after several billion years, tracking down a rapidly moving planet would be practically impossible.

All it would take is for the intelligence to evolve enough to decode the message in the DNA (or whatever) of the bacteria and read it. It could take billions of years, but again, there's no hurry. It's unlikely that anybody -- including ourselves -- sending out messages into space will be alive long enough to get direct responses, anyway.

Originally posted by mbkennel

Originally posted by Dragonfly79

We don't care if they come to destroy, eat us, farm us like cattle, or to wave magic crystals around to give us everlasting halleluja peace on earth space brothers and sisters.

The ones I am in contact with just want to teach.

They're doing an awfully piss-poor job at it then. If they want to teach people, why not land at universities and start talking with the faculty to set up some courses?

edit on 13-2-2013 by mbkennel because: (no reason given)

No, they keep argueing about free will and all, so it's the humans that are doing it wrong. They can't land because they respect our immigration laws, passports, place of birth etc. Even if they were allowed they would have to wear special suits to protect themselves from negative human emotions and even with a suit they would have to feel something in order to fully understand humans.

They have universities but someone on the inside has to teach humans how to reach those.

Originally posted by Druscilla

Originally posted by mbkennel

Originally posted by Dragonfly79

The ones I am in contact with just want to teach.

They're doing an awfully piss-poor job at it then. If they want to teach people, why not land at universities and start talking with the faculty to set up some courses?

edit on 13-2-2013 by mbkennel because: (no reason given)

Exactly.

If it's SO important that it needs be taught by aliens, then, the stupid aliens very well better bring themselves here and teach it in person.

Otherwise, the information is just more kooky bargain bin new aged reject drivel getting recycled by yet another nutter off their medications (or at least that's the common perception that will persist).

Hey, I object because I was never on medication. I explained why they can't land. Besides material laws they respect there's also the spiritual laws. The males rule the material laws and the women the spiritual laws, it's because of ancient systems from long gone tribes but their descendents still hang on to it. It's because some females once believed all life entered through their world, which is nonsense but there you have it.

The ET's have to fully enter which means also their psyche, which means they must let humans know through a psyche which can understand they are coming before they can tell humans the physical way. And in Earth's case there are so many people holding on the idea of a mother goddess that they have to let all our ancestors know as well for too many reasons for me to explain in a single post without anyone asking please in a genuine respectful manner.

Originally posted by Blue Shift
I imagine that at a certain point in the quest for any civilization to make contact with another, time is no longer an issue.

But it is to us. How else are we going to meet without time and ofcourse a set of coordinates. Else first contact might have happened in the past on some other planet or worse in noplace somewhere in the future.

Because of the sheer size of the universe, you resign yourself to the fact that it's probably not going to happen quickly, but rather over the course of hundreds of thousands of not billions of years. The intelligences you're trying to contact might not even exist at the same time you begin your efforts, or could easily be long dead by the time your attempt reaches them.

That might be true but the afterlife holds no secrets to them. Besides some oddities perhaps.

In that regard, I sometimes think the best way to make contact is to send something physical (radio and light are okay, but definitely lose a lot of their power quickly over long distances) that can ride through the cosmos, drawn by the small but unending force of gravity, and eventually find what it's looking for. A bacteria on a rock. A bacteria that can land on a suitable planet, adapt and evolve to thrive in the available environment, and eventually reach a level of existence that allows it to communicate with whatever intelligence is around it. I also like the idea (not original) of encoding into the bacteria a little bit of information about where it originated, and maybe a map to find it -- although after several billion years, tracking down a rapidly moving planet would be practically impossible.

I think you are on to something, until you hit the paradox of what came first, the people of the future who created themselves in the past and so setting their own existence into motion or how everything always has existed without a beginning or an end, surpassing even those people from the future and/or alternate dimensions or timelines.

All it would take is for the intelligence to evolve enough to decode the message in the DNA (or whatever) of the bacteria and read it. It could take billions of years, but again, there's no hurry. It's unlikely that anybody -- including ourselves -- sending out messages into space will be alive long enough to get direct responses, anyway.

Well if you put a manual inside the message along with a guide on how to reach them then it might work.