The Vanity of Enlightenment

Isn't enlightenment on earth, like a never ending quest But its more of you flowing through you due to reaching a frequency of purity or goodness that allows that, like unto like, birds of a feather flock together.

Its also related to: does the body suit play a tune, and force you to dance along, (this especially relates to harming another, judging harshly or reacting) or we conscious, awake, and playing our own tune. Refer to above on the frequency of love and goodness.

With awareness its likes finding your mind, gaining your mind that you lost and a feeling of rising, or expanding dough. Unless that is another feeling. But still wouldn't call that enlightenment. Really don't know what its called, but its a process nonetheless.

One thing those talking of enlightenment, is its not something you can reach.

I kept seeing the "en" in the word, and that also means "nut" OR

en.wikipedia.org...

A sacred symbol of Nut was the ladder, used by Osiris to enter her heavenly skies. This ladder-symbol was called maqet and was placed in tombs to protect the deceased, and to invoke the aid of the deity of the dead. Nut and her brother, Geb, may be considered enigmas in the world of mythology. In direct contrast to most other mythologies which usually develop a sky father associated with an Earth mother (or Mother Nature), she personified the sky and he the Earth.[6]

Nut appears in the creation myth of Heliopolis which involves several goddesses who play important roles: Tefnut (Tefenet) is a personification of moisture, who mated with Shu (Air) and then gave birth to Sky as the goddess Nut, who mated with her brother Earth, as Geb. From the union of Geb and Nut came, among others, the most popular of Egyptian goddesses, Isis, the mother of Horus, whose story is central to that of her brother-husband, the resurrection god Osiris. Osiris is killed by his brother Seth and scattered over the Earth in 14 pieces which Isis gathers up and puts back together. Osiris then climbs a ladder into his mother Nut for safety and eventually becomes king of the dead.[7]

reply to post by Itisnowagain

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
This thread is like a bunch of blind men arguing over the definition of the colour red.
They have no idea what red is but they still have so many opinions about it but none of them actually know what they are talking about!

Even people who see red don't agree on what it is. Too some, it is a masculine color, to some it is feminine - to some it is a "hot" color (bright red) to some it is "cold" (being low on energy - electromagno scale).

reply to post by Unity_99


If enlightenment is a "never-ending" quest, then it is a LIE. If you can search for something for all ETERNITY and STILL not find it - for all eternity - then it doesn't exist.

You said a "never-ending" (eternal - past - present - and the NEVER ENDING future). It doesn't exist then.

Originally posted by LesMisanthrope
reply to post by Wang Tang

 

As I pointed out, someone being Enlightened—meaning they understand absolute truth—would have to admit a paradox, insofar as he who knows absolute truth, must also know that no one can know absolute truth...

So is the above statement an absolute truth or fallacy?

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The moment you think you are enlightened you are not. Enlightement becomes a joke after the "awakening" experience. Once experienced, it can not be un-experienced. The place you were when "searching" for it, becomes a joke. Its simply awakening to a basic perception of reality.

Its not about gaining anything, its about losing everything. Letting go all. Once thoughts are seen as only thoughts, all concepts fall away one by one, because they are seen as illusionary things, things that were never really there but only in the mind. This becomes spontaneus and theres no going back. Because in this new perception, theres no coming or going back to anything, there never was. Timeline becomes a spot. You are not going anywhere or coming from nowhere so theres nothing to gain. Everything just IS, and everything there is, is always now. Now is all there is and all you ever have. It was always like that, so theres no such thing as enlightenment, you just missed it by trying to get somewhere all the time. Thoughts do it. They are always in the past or in the future. The moment of NOW is only a steppingstone for thoughts. And yet its all you ever experience.

Non duality is impossible to explain, it can only be experienced. When everything falls away, youl find that emptiness is not empty at all. Its a total freedom and all love. No judgements. No beginning no end, no good or bad. Your "personal story", the sufferer and the hero has no effect on you anymore. The "you" has changed. "I amness" is now "amness". The thinker was a thought. Human becomes a being. And happines was the all the time watching the whole drama play out.

I am not enlightened. Its just egos word for gaining something, when in reality when ego is talking about "enlightenment" its unknowingly talking about its own suicide.

Originally posted by arpgme
reply to post by Itisnowagain

 

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
This thread is like a bunch of blind men arguing over the definition of the colour red.
They have no idea what red is but they still have so many opinions about it but none of them actually know what they are talking about!

Even people who see red don't agree on what it is. Too some, it is a masculine color, to some it is feminine - to some it is a "hot" color (bright red) to some it is "cold" (being low on energy - electromagno scale).

Interpretations will always vary, however at least they would be speaking about something they had all experienced.

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"then it doesn't exist".....

It's called Infinity and Infinite Progression. We're on very low levels here, so stands to reason, in the playpen, its not possible to be fully enlightened. ET's aren't either, anyone in this universe isn't. I'm using a non coded, understood by many, version of the meaning and the other is ridiculous, either complete symbolism for an inner process, a buried truth that would benefit ever so much more from being clearly stated, OR, a demiurge merging, which is to be avoided at all cost.

There are some who really don't know where earth stands in the pecking order and that it has not even emerged from yearnings for bloodshed, its baby hood, its a poopy diaper planet, and don't seem to understand a tiny tot's deep thinking on frequency and density, and that harm is heavy gravity, and you can tell from your own experiences, from paying attention. The very thing we are supposed to do.

Its as if, they really can't get beyond the dream or pop out story book here and relate to this level and the laws, judgments and systems here, and then some kind of ego is blocking them.

If they would, they would raise frequency and thus have more of them and memories come, they would begin to remember things.....and yearn for home.

No one is enlightened here. But they can strive. No one gets A's here either, when life review and frequency sorting for the "heavens" and "many mansions" happens.

No one.

Originally posted by Itisnowagain

Originally posted by arpgme
reply to post by Itisnowagain

 

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
This thread is like a bunch of blind men arguing over the definition of the colour red.
They have no idea what red is but they still have so many opinions about it but none of them actually know what they are talking about!

Even people who see red don't agree on what it is. Too some, it is a masculine color, to some it is feminine - to some it is a "hot" color (bright red) to some it is "cold" (being low on energy - electromagno scale).

Interpretations will always vary, however at least they would be speaking about something they had all experienced.

edit on 26-2-2013 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)

They all did experience the same thing, they all saw the color red.

reply to post by Itisnowagain

This thread is like a bunch of blind men arguing over the definition of the colour red.
They have no idea what red is but they still have so many opinions about it but none of them actually know what they are talking about!

Yes it's great to watch, especially with you leading the fray.

Originally posted by InTheLight

Originally posted by Itisnowagain

Originally posted by arpgme
reply to post by Itisnowagain

 

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
This thread is like a bunch of blind men arguing over the definition of the colour red.
They have no idea what red is but they still have so many opinions about it but none of them actually know what they are talking about!

Even people who see red don't agree on what it is. Too some, it is a masculine color, to some it is feminine - to some it is a "hot" color (bright red) to some it is "cold" (being low on energy - electromagno scale).

Interpretations will always vary, however at least they would be speaking about something they had all experienced.

edit on 26-2-2013 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)

They all did experience the same thing, they all saw the color red.

Yes, they all saw the colour red and then had different interpretations of it (in arpgmes post to me).
Whereas in the post I wrote (which arpgme replied to me) none of the 'blind' men had ever seen the colour red and argued over something they had never experienced.

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Just denying ignorance.

reply to post by Kurius

So is the above statement an absolute truth or fallacy?

Well there's no such thing as absolute truth is there, or we are not privy to it. But my assertion stands until it can be argued or shown to be untrue.

reply to post by Itisnowagain

Just denying ignorance.

I know. At least you have a sense of humour.

Originally posted by LesMisanthrope
reply to post by Kurius

 

So is the above statement an absolute truth or fallacy?

Well there's no such thing as absolute truth is there, or we are not privy to it. But my assertion stands until it can be argued or shown to be untrue.

In your opinion there is no absolute truth.

In fact will go one step further. If there were a small handful of truly "enlightened" beings by the definition most commonly understood, related to progressing, remembering, awakening, getting on task for the work you came to do and once quickly doing that, moving to other more helping assignments.

If a small handful were so connected to their Progressed, Wise Selves. ie. an example, since we've already done it, this is in No Time, a past step, sort of, more a simultaneous one, but in earth recording, earth has already ended in this creation, the outline already exists and it can't be changed. We can enter in, we can color the pages up differently,but what happened already occurred, but souls can change or be reached. Our Progressed Self has already gone through, how many times it took, even if it took a kazillion years in the school, which would not relate to time passing back home, and many retries, avatars, gone through and is Out. Though there is no time, we can still call this Future Self, for the world has not ended yet in this recording, so in the perception of linear, this is the past.

If we are enlightened, we are ourselves, we reach the frequency of Beyond. We strive to BE THEM here, to grow up, by refining the man/woman in the mirror and striving/being of Goodness, Kindness and Integrity in all situations. And not for reward, but because we care about others. We would forgo all reward and enlightenment to help others.

The connection to self, or simply, being yourself, more fully. You don't reach out and artificially connect to anything. The process of Being Yourself More Fully Occurs Naturally in the right conditions. Not what the Elite have done here. They have a different frequency. Not judging everyone born of those families or joining those ranks however, but the world is a mirror of what is going on with them and us.

If a small handful did this, this world would be a different place already.

reply to post by Itisnowagain

In your opinion there is no absolute truth.

That's presupposed. Whenever anyone expresses anything, it comes from their perspective and interpretation.

Everyone seems to enjoy taking the unnecessary time to point that out, and henceforth bask in their wisdom, even though it's already intuitive to everyone. A case of pointing out the obvious. Frankly, it becomes a pain to put "in my opinion" in front of everything.

However, you can use logic and arguments to prove it wrong instead of merely brushing it off as opinion.

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However, you are absolutely right when you say there is no such 'thing' as absolute truth.

Nobody gets an A here, but they don't get B's either. Except for the real or metaphor ideals put forth, at least. And C+ is very debatable whether or not it can even be toed in on.

And all this talk about absolute truth, well the one who is going to be grading us, is us. And we can lie to many people, fool a few of them, but we can't fool ourselves/HS.

Originally posted by Unity_99
Nobody gets an A here, but they don't get B's either. Except for the real or metaphor ideals put forth, at least. And C+ is very debatable whether or not it can even be toed in on.

edit on 26-2-2013 by Unity_99 because: (no reason given)

The ultimate judge?

Originally posted by Itisnowagain

Originally posted by Unity_99
Nobody gets an A here, but they don't get B's either. Except for the real or metaphor ideals put forth, at least. And C+ is very debatable whether or not it can even be toed in on.

edit on 26-2-2013 by Unity_99 because: (no reason given)

The ultimate judge?

When veil lifts, that is YOU. There is alot of shame there for many.

Originally posted by Unity_99

Originally posted by Itisnowagain

Originally posted by Unity_99
Nobody gets an A here, but they don't get B's either. Except for the real or metaphor ideals put forth, at least. And C+ is very debatable whether or not it can even be toed in on.

edit on 26-2-2013 by Unity_99 because: (no reason given)

The ultimate judge?

When veil lifts, that is YOU. There is alot of shame there for many.

The shame belongs to an individual who does not exist. The heaviness is carrying a person around that does not exist. The lightness comes when the illusionary person drops away.
But no one wants to die so the individual is held on to.

What is really behind the curtain? Is it you? What is this 'you'?
Know thyself.