posted on Feb, 12 2013 @ 10:35 AM
Originally posted by Deetermined
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by newnature
I will not believe the words of a thief and a murderer...
Christianity has enough problems without Paul's doctrine of "grace"
Perhaps you should listen to your saviour instead of a pharisee
edit on 11-2-2013 by Akragon because: (no reason given)
So, what exactly do you think Jesus used to save the thief that was on the cross right next to him?
Was that not grace?
Theres a few ways I can approach that question...
First look up the definition of Grace... Theres a reason why Jesus doesn't use it...
the word is used to describe someone as elegant... Jesus can be described as Graceful, even full of Grace but that has to do with the ease that he
went about his business, and the effortless way he answered every question his followers asked him.
IF his Father gave him "all the power in heaven and earth"... then Jesus saving that thief was said power... NOT his grace... again Paul is the
person who turned everything sideways with his grace doctrine.
Secondly... Lukes gospel is the only suspicious gospel because for starters he was a follower of Paul... He was not a witness to anything Jesus
did... And him saving this thief is only mentioned in Lukes Gospel... so chances are it actually didn't happen. It was Luke who embellished the
Third... This thief didn't ask for forgiveness... He asked Jesus to remember him... In Christian theology he is considered the Penitent thief... this
is actually wrong...
He did not repent for his sins which furthers the idea that ALL will be saved...
Though perhaps in his heart he repented... only Jesus would know right?
Remember this when dealing with Paul...
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a
Pauls doctrine of grace makes him a thief and a robber... Jesus did not teach the doctrine of grace so by his own words he is a thief
And it seems to me Grace gives a free ticket to sin... Just my opinion though
edit on 12-2-2013 by Akragon because: (no reason given)